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[o Ventus]

In regards to the geth, Destroy is not genocide.

[DeinonSlayer]

o Ventus wrote...

In regards to the geth, Destroy is not genocide.

Only in regards to the Reapers... and, seriously, **** them.

[KevShep]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

 So, you want to choose the Destroy ending, for whatever reason, but you don't want your Shepard to commit genocide? Well, of course you commit massive genocide on the reapers, but that's not what you Paragons are worried about, are you? It's the idea of commiting genocide on the geth that is unthinkanle. It's just not the Paragon thing to do.

Well, there is a way to get the Destroy ending without genocide. It's very simple really. Next time you're doing Rannoch, support the Quarians. Problem solved. Now you can enjoy your Destroy ending without having to commit genocide! 


This awesome tip has been brought to you by Heretic_Hanar.

You're welcome. 

I disagree,
 
1.I ALWAYS help BOTH the quarians and the geth because its the right thing to do.
2. I pick destory because it is... ALSO... the right thing to do. ( Destory - a future that is NOT over shadowed by the reapers legacy. The reapers ARE genocide)

...Its called sacrifice!... The geth will be remembered!

[o Ventus]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

In regards to the geth, Destroy is not genocide.

Only in regards to the Reapers... and, seriously, **** them.

Considering that "Reaper" isn't a species or ethnic group, I would still say no.

[MegaSovereign]

I think what separates genocide from collateral damage is intent.

Even if the intent was there, you can't truly destroy the Geth for good. The race could always be reconstructed, unlike an organic one.

[ForThessia]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

IllusiveManJr wrote...

Geth are just machines, tools, nothing more.

I know that. You don't need to tell me. Tell that to those Paragon kids who feel bad over frying a bunch of talking toasters so their Shepard can live and be with their waifu/hasubando.

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Even if the intent was there, you can't truly destroy the Geth for good. The race could always be reconstructed, unlike an organic one.

Except for cloning 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I think what separates genocide from collateral damage is intent.

Even if the intent was there, you can't truly destroy the Geth for good. The race could always be reconstructed, unlike an organic one.

The hardware maybe. The software is pretty much fried forever.

It's the intent for me. I'm not killing the Geth because I want too. I'm killing them because they are an unfortunately necessary casualty to achieve the end of the Reapers.

Overall, it's just bad writing to make the decision seem hard and sad.

[o Ventus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I think what separates genocide from collateral damage is intent.

Even if the intent was there, you can't truly destroy the Geth for good. The race could always be reconstructed, unlike an organic one.

The hardware maybe. The software is pretty much fried forever.

It's the intent for me. I'm not killing the Geth because I want too. I'm killing them because they are an unfortunately necessary casualty to achieve the end of the Reapers.

Overall, it's just bad writing to make the decision seem hard and sad.

The software can be rewritten. The quarians already did it once.

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Even if the intent was there, you can't truly destroy the Geth for good. The race could always be reconstructed, unlike an organic one.

Except for cloning 

If every organic being was obliterated there would be nothing to clone.

[Iakus]

o Ventus wrote...

The software can be rewritten. The quarians already did it once.

Wouldn't be the same.  The memories and experiences that made up the consensus would be gone.  They'd no more be the geth than CloneShep was Shepard.

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Even if the intent was there, you can't truly destroy the Geth for good. The race could always be reconstructed, unlike an organic one.

Except for cloning 

If every organic being was obliterated there would be nothing to clone.

The Reapers weren't obliterated.  They just...fell down. 

[DeinonSlayer]

o Ventus wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I think what separates genocide from collateral damage is intent.

Even if the intent was there, you can't truly destroy the Geth for good. The race could always be reconstructed, unlike an organic one.

The hardware maybe. The software is pretty much fried forever.

It's the intent for me. I'm not killing the Geth because I want too. I'm killing them because they are an unfortunately necessary casualty to achieve the end of the Reapers.

Overall, it's just bad writing to make the decision seem hard and sad.

The software can be rewritten. The quarians already did it once.

They tried cloning Shepard, too - we saw how that turned out. Anything the Quarians create would not be the same as what was destroyed. If what was created was anything like the Geth VI... better that the Geth stayed dead.

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Even if the intent was there, you can't truly destroy the Geth for good. The race could always be reconstructed, unlike an organic one.

Except for cloning 

If every organic being was obliterated there would be nothing to clone.

The Reapers weren't obliterated.  They just...fell down. 

The husks were obliterated.

[o Ventus]

iakus wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

The software can be rewritten. The quarians already did it once.

Wouldn't be the same.  The memories and experiences that made up the consensus would be gone.  They'd no more be the geth than CloneShep was Shepard.

They would be the same geth as were on Rannoch before the Morning War.

[dreamgazer]

How difficult would it be, really, to (re)program the geth with the experiential learning of their predecessors?

[Silcron]

o Ventus wrote...

iakus wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

The software can be rewritten. The quarians already did it once.

Wouldn't be the same.  The memories and experiences that made up the consensus would be gone.  They'd no more be the geth than CloneShep was Shepard.

They would be the same geth as were on Rannoch before the Morning War.

I don't think they would. The quarians aren't as stupid as to  program new geth in the same way they did with the old ones. If anything they would go for more Legion/EDI type geth, which is better than geth getting conscious by reaper code. If it was that complex who can't say the geth didn't turn into sleeper agents, or will eventually try to make new reapers like in the old times? 

Once they were hacked by reaper code I could trust them as much as I'd trust a talking banshee telling me it's in my side and it's going to fight for me.

ME2 geth? Now those I'd have tried to save, they created and sent legion to TALK to me, they finally open to the galaxy and went for a certain peaceful way. ME3 geth became reaper pawns, and since every single time reaper tech has backfired I'm not taking chances with geth with reaper code.

[MegaSovereign]

A long time ago I got a concussion and lost 6 months of my memory.

I'd like to think I'm the same person.

[DeinonSlayer]

dreamgazer wrote...

How difficult would it be, really, to (re)program the geth with the experiential learning of their predecessors?

Could you recreate a three-hour movie, scene-by-scene, line-by-line, every hand gesture, costume and set piece matching the original film, from memory alone?

Also, what Silcron said. How that whole arc played out REALLY did not sit well with me.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 mars 2013 - 08:54 .

[JamieCOTC]

Yeah, on Rannoch, you order the death of the Geth. In the end you simply give into the whims of an insane AI. Much more paragon. 

[dreamgazer]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

How difficult would it be, really, to (re)program the geth with the experiential learning of their predecessors?

Could you recreate a three-hour movie, scene-by-scene, line-by-line, every hand gesture, costume and set piece matching the original film, from memory alone?

Perhaps not "memory", but through promotional stills, behind-the-scenes videos, interviews, and a collectively catalogued history of the film's making from several sources---fed through a digital interface? 

Not exact, no, but might it be a substantial-enough base of principles?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 15 mars 2013 - 08:55 .

[Tymathee]

i'm paragon but i have no problem killing off the geth, killing them is very paragon as there is a high chance they will go rogue again and be a threat to the galaxy.

[DeinonSlayer]

dreamgazer wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

How difficult would it be, really, to (re)program the geth with the experiential learning of their predecessors?

Could you recreate a three-hour movie, scene-by-scene, line-by-line, every hand gesture, costume and set piece matching the original film, from memory alone?

Perhaps not "memory", but through promotional stills, behind-the-scenes videos, interviews, and a collectively catalogued history of the film's making from several sources---fed through a digital interface? 

...Zoe Graystone, is that you?

[dreamgazer]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

How difficult would it be, really, to (re)program the geth with the experiential learning of their predecessors?

Could you recreate a three-hour movie, scene-by-scene, line-by-line, every hand gesture, costume and set piece matching the original film, from memory alone?

Perhaps not "memory", but through promotional stills, behind-the-scenes videos, interviews, and a collectively catalogued history of the film's making from several sources---fed through a digital interface? 

...Zoe Graystone, is that you?

Good point, but the creation of the geth's presence is fundamentally somewhat different from an organic's. And they wouldn't be starting from scratch; hell, who knows exactly what kind of knowledge the quarians had obtained through potential interfaces in ME2 and ME3. 

Ultmately, I'm of the mind that the geth cannot be recreated, brick for brick, and that you cannot duplicate experience.  But I'm also not sure how infeasible it might be with the collection of data present about the geth as they were. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 15 mars 2013 - 09:08 .

[Errationatus]

I see.  Having a contrary opinion to both insipidly omnipresent quarian ****** and the Citadel DLC backhanded slap/handjob makes me a "troll". Whatever.

Love the handwaved dismissals.  Cry troll.  It's easier than thinking, I guess.

The argument (and sad justification) - over whether appliances have "souls", has been done better - and far more intelligently - elsewhere.  

You want to justify "Destroy" so you don't "feel bad" about it?  Uh, that was kinda the point, folks.  The hard decisions, the few for the many.  Sacrifices and the strength to do what was necessary, not finagle ways to have your cake and eat it too.  Is a "small" genocide of millions worth the price of the death of uncounted trillions?

That's the question.  Destroy takes serious guts and immense balls.  None of the other choices require anything but acquiesence.

No shortcuts.  In the war the Reaper War is meant to be, justifications are meaningless.  It's maximum benefit for the future - to have a future, with everyone you can possibly save, whatever the cost.  That's all.  If the machines are maximum benefit, then the quarians buy it.  Do it.  If the opposite, do it.  If you can get both, bonus.  But you can't count on it.

Choose and hope you can live with it.  Can't have it all.