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[Zombie_Alexis]

I didn't mind the hip sway. I was glad Girl Hawke didn't walk like a guy (other than in the beginning, just before she got mugged. Total guy walk there.) She ran like a spaz though. Change the run if anything gets changed.

[Sjofn]

Sundance31us wrote...

I agree with OP. Enjoyed playing a female Warden in DAO and was disappointed when female Hawk's walking animation kept giving me headaches when I played (kept getting eye whiplash from her hip movement). Tried using a mod that changed her walking animation to that of male Hawk, but found it too distractingly silly; in the end I just gave up on playing a female character for DA2.

Same. The female animation in DA2 was just too TOO. Hopefully they find a happy medium.

[sandalisthemaker]

Zombie_Alexis wrote...

I didn't mind the hip sway. I was glad Girl Hawke didn't walk like a guy (other than in the beginning, just before she got mugged. Total guy walk there.) She ran like a spaz though. Change the run if anything gets changed.

I agree that a male and female protagonist should move differently. I simply take issue with how extreme and- let's face it- sexualized FemHawke walked. 

The Inquisitor has a job to do. She will presumably be in the midst of a heated Templar/Mage war. Being "sexy" is nowhere near a priority in combat. 

[Wulfram]

I'm not sure I remember Hawke's walking animation. I run everywhere.

The female run animation is a bit silly. Though most run animations seem to be a bit silly until you start tuning them out.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Too sexy for my clothes.

I would love to see the focus-test results.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 15 mars 2013 - 06:39 .

[Fortlowe]

I don't think being sexy and being tough are mutually exclusive attributes. I'm no powder puff, but on my best day Gina Corano could beat seven shades of it outta me. And she is sexy as hell. And is so even while she's beating someone within an inch of their lives. This argument against a distinctly female gait, especially concerning an obviously confident determined and athletic woman makes zero sense to me.

The run was the problem. Not the walk. The run lacked any athleticism at all.

[cJohnOne]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Too sexy for my clothes.

I would love to see the focus-test results.

I didn't know the walking sway was so noticeable.  Of course I always had more cloths on.

[sandalisthemaker]

Fortlowe wrote...

I don't think being sexy and being tough are mutually exclusive attributes. I'm no powder puff, but on my best day Gina Corano could beat seven shades of it outta me. And she is sexy as hell. And is so even while she's beating someone within an inch of their lives. This argument against a distinctly female gait, especially concerning an obviously confident determined and athletic woman makes zero sense to me.

The run was the problem. Not the walk. The run lacked any athleticism at all.

For the record, yes I also think the run wasn't great either.
Also, I agree- a videogame character can be both sexy and tough, but what if she were tough and not "sexy." (Your definintion of sexy for argument's sake since it's subjective). Would you be okay with that? 
It seems to me that designers feel that female characters *have* to be overtly sexy (hence the exaggerated animations) where as male characters don't. 

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 15 mars 2013 - 07:05 .

[dragondreamer]

I certainly don't walk like that, but the "girly run" animation which is endemic in games is far more annoying because I have to watch it for most of the playthrough.

[Saibh]

dragondreamer wrote...

I certainly don't walk like that, but the "girly run" animation which is endemic in games is far more annoying because I have to watch it for most of the playthrough.

Exactly. I don't think running/sprinting/walking animations are a useless complaint. You spend a lot of time looking at it any way. 

[Fortlowe]

Wat? Almost every game in the history of ever finds a reason to show a shirtless muscled up brute of a man, glistening with sweat, and frequently wearing some iteration of a cod piece. I'm sorry, but the ladies aren't the only ones getting their sexy on in videogames.

[BouncyFrag]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Too sexy for my clothes.

I would love to see the focus-test results.

This music needs to be added to the vid.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUT5rEU6pqM

[sandalisthemaker]

Fortlowe wrote...

Wat? Almost every game in the history of ever finds a reason to show a shirtless muscled up brute of a man, glistening with sweat, and frequently wearing some iteration of a cod piece. I'm sorry, but the ladies aren't the only ones getting their sexy on in videogames.

Examples, please.
Are the "shirtless brutes" you claim to be everywhere portrayed in a sexual way? Are they portrayed as attractive? I'm willing to bet all of these "brutes" are exactly that. Brutes. Powerful, aggressive, ruthless, etc. Not meant to be sexy. I'm sure some people may think of them that way, but that is most certainly not the designer's intent.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 15 mars 2013 - 07:23 .

[brushyourteeth]

This reminds me of the time Alistair glitched at the beginning of a DA:O playthrough and walked/stood/talked in the same creepy old leper body position Ruck used to move in.
I had to spend the rest of the game RP'ing that I loved Alistair all the more now that the taint had started to take over.
Still room for improvement, but nothing seems too awful to move past after that.

[Wifflebottom]

Fortlowe wrote...

Wat? Almost every game in the history of ever finds a reason to show a shirtless muscled up brute of a man, glistening with sweat, and frequently wearing some iteration of a cod piece. I'm sorry, but the ladies aren't the only ones getting their sexy on in videogames.

A male power fantasy is not the same thing as oversexualization. A large sweaty brute is not considered "sexy" for the most part it is however what many men aspire to be like, a large and powerful being. Very few if any videogames accentuate male 'sexy parts' to the extent that females' breasts and buttocks are. So stop that comparison right now.

[Fortlowe]

Examples? Really? Have you played DA2? The Qunari. The Templar you rescued. The Sebastion mission where a guy asks to be "facilitated". And that's just one game and not even all the examples in that one.

As far as whether or not a shirtless well muscled up man is sexy or not, I couldn't say, but I could confidently wager that most heterosexual women and homosexual men would find such an image quite pleasing to the eye.

Furthermore, who's to say Hawkes gait is meant to be sexy? Sure I find it sexy, but it's because the way she walks is confident and feminine.

[sirus1988]

This bothers me in two bioware games: DA2 and ME3. DA2 her hips swinged way too much for me to take her seriously. And my ME3 femsheps, when running, always looked like they were going to do the macorina or cha cha..

[sandalisthemaker]

Wifflebottom wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

Wat? Almost every game in the history of ever finds a reason to show a shirtless muscled up brute of a man, glistening with sweat, and frequently wearing some iteration of a cod piece. I'm sorry, but the ladies aren't the only ones getting their sexy on in videogames.

A male power fantasy is not the same thing as oversexualization. A large sweaty brute is not considered "sexy" for the most part it is however what many men aspire to be like, a large and powerful being. Very few if any videogames accentuate male 'sexy parts' to the extent that females' breasts and buttocks are. So stop that comparison right now.

Yes exactly.

[sandalisthemaker]

Fortlowe wrote...

Examples? Really? Have you played DA2? The Qunari. The Templar you rescued. The Sebastion mission where a guy asks to be "facilitated". And that's just one game and not even all the examples in that one.

As far as whether or not a shirtless well muscled up man is sexy or not, I couldn't say, but I could confidently wager that most heterosexual women and homosexual men would find such an image quite pleasing to the eye.

Furthermore, who's to say Hawkes gait is meant to be sexy? Sure I find it sexy, but it's because the way she walks is confident and feminine.

I'll give you Keran since there was really no reason for him to be shirtless in that scene, and he has a rather gentle personality that would make him attractive.
Yes, kossith are muscular and shirtless. That alone may be enough for people who appreciate the muscular male body to find them attractive. But the intent, at a design level, is to portray them as physically intimidating and powerful. Muscular and shirtless = powerful in this instance. 

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 15 mars 2013 - 07:54 .

[Momiji.mii]

I think that the female PC (and the NPC's as well) should move as you'd expect her to. It felt weird to me that Aveline ran the same way Isabela did. I'd like to see the hip action for Lady Hawke toned down a little for our female Inquisitor.

[Fiacre]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I'll give you Keran since there was really no reason for him to be shirtless in that scene, and he has a rather gentle personality that would make him attractive.

Prisoners in DA seem to often be naked, though (half of Howe's dungeon, the deserter at Ostagar, as well as you and potentially Alistair/that guy in the other cell when you get captured during the Landsmeet quest). Most of them aren't attractive.

[Fortlowe]

I'll do no such thing. There is no difference between between the covers of romance novels and videogames featuring shirtless muscle bound men except how they are perceived. And perception is relative.

As far as this 'power fantasy' argument is concerned, that is also relative. I'll not contest that women are too frequently portrayed as sex objects, but as the tough, powerful, 'manly man' image is a beacon for many men to strive for, the beautiful, sophisticated, and alluring vamp is for many women.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

sirus1988 wrote...

This bothers me in two bioware games: DA2 and ME3. DA2 her hips swinged way too much for me to take her seriously. And my ME3 femsheps, when running, always looked like they were going to do the macorina or cha cha..

Yeah, same for me. After the demo, I just couldn't play as female Hawke. To be fair, DA2 isn't the only game doing this sort of thing. Skyrim also has a female walk that is a little exaggerated. Not nearly as bad as DA2, though, and the running animations in Skyrim are actually pretty good for a female character.

I think they need to tone down/alter that incredibly exaggerated strut for DA3 and completely scrap the running animation and replace it with something more realistic.

[sandalisthemaker]

Fortlowe wrote...

I'll do no such thing. There is no difference between between the covers of romance novels and videogames featuring shirtless muscle bound men except how they are perceived. And perception is relative.

As far as this 'power fantasy' argument is concerned, that is also relative. I'll not contest that women are too frequently portrayed as sex objects, but as the tough, powerful, 'manly man' image is a beacon for many men to strive for, the beautiful, sophisticated, and alluring vamp is for many women.

The men on the covers of romance novels usually aren't snarling, and the men on the covers of videogames usually don't have bedroom eyes.

Our culture hails the aggressive "manly man" to be ideal. 
Our culture hails the beautiful seductress to be ideal.

One of them is praised for their accomplishments, while the other is praised for pleasing the opposite sex. I wonder which is which...

[Liamv2]

It would be nice if different classes and characters walked different