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[Fortlowe]

I can't tell either. Maybe we should ask Cleopatra. Or Jackie Kennedy. Or Marissa Mayer. Or any number of women who happen to be beautiful, but managed to accomplish great things in spite of it somehow.

[Topsider]

I'm pretty sure that some people won't be happy until both genders look identical with no perceivable differences at all. Walking, running, or standing. They shouldn't even be attractive or sexy. Female characters will just be a man with long hair.

[Fredward]

If we wanna get uber technical no one runs everywhere either. Unless they have ADHD and regular glucose injections. But yeah the run was a wee bit much. I didn't really notice femshep's walk.

[Liamv2]

Topsider wrote...

I'm pretty sure that some people won't be happy until both genders look identical with no perceivable differences at all. Walking, running, or standing. They shouldn't even be attractive or sexy. Female characters will just be a man with long hair.

The way people react on these fourms some times i can belive it  

[MilaBanilla]

I liked how my FemHawke walked to be completely honest XD. Probably because I stand the same way as her( One-hip)
I thought it was cute but I guess that's just me.
At least the walking animation is way better than Femsheps. It was awkward when she sat down...with a dress.

[dragondreamer]

Is this about being "beautiful"? Because it just looks awkward. In my personal experience and in a family full of women, you don't have to walk and run like there's something stuck up your hindquarters to be "feminine" or "beautiful".

If the character is walking around in heels, I could see it, but it's weird for a PC who is spending a lot of time running and fighting.

[Liamv2]

dragondreamer wrote...

Is this about being "beautiful"? Because it just looks awkward. In my personal experience and in a family full of women, you don't have to walk and run like there's something stuck up your hindquarters to be "feminine" or "beautiful".

If the character is walking around in heels, I could see it, but it's weird for a PC who is spending a lot of time running and fighting.

I know some women that walk like few hawke does and some that don't. I wish you where able to decide how your character walks 

[sandalisthemaker]

Topsider wrote...

They shouldn't even be attractive or sexy. Female characters will just be a man with long hair.

Female characters can be attractive and sexy without waggling their hip/buttocks around. 
Are you insinuating that male characters cannot be attractive or sexy?

[Fortlowe]

Ah. I seemed to be guilty of feeding a troll.

Anyways...the walk is fine. Work on the run.

[sandalisthemaker]

Fortlowe wrote...

Ah. I seemed to be guilty of feeding a troll.

Anyways...the walk is fine. Work on the run.

This issue, while it may seem silly to you, is one small manifestation of a sentiment that pervades the videogame industry as a whole. 

[Knight of Dane]

I don't give a damn

[The Hierophant]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The men on the covers of romance novels usually aren't snarling, and the men on the covers of videogames usually don't have bedroom eyes.

Our culture hails the aggressive "manly man" to be ideal. 
Our culture hails the beautiful seductress to be ideal.

One of them is praised for their accomplishments, while the other is praised for pleasing the opposite sex. I wonder which is which...

It's still an image, and persona typecasting issue no matter how you spin it. For most romance novels, it's the objectification of the male lead's body, and personality due to what the author thinks a lover should be like. For most action novels, comics, and film it's the author's/artist's/director's idealization of what a hero/warrior is supposed to look, and act like. The mentality behind the image of your archetypical warrior is the same mentality behind what fashion models are supposed to look like. 

Plus people shouldn't misuse the term "Male Power Fantasy" and assume that it's universally accepted as positive to a male's image in media, as most men don't  strive to be like musclebound barbarians who look like they can't wipe their own @sses.  

[brushyourteeth]

The Hierophant wrote...


Plus people shouldn't misuse the term "Male Power Fantasy" and assume that it's universally accepted as positive to a male's image in media, as most men don't  strive to be like musclebound barbarians who look like they can't wipe their own @sses.  

Very true -- though (just for the sake of *the neutral stance*™) I think some of this thread's participants, and possibly the OP, are suggesting that female Hawke's super-sexy-schmexy walk is kind of the equivalent of having male Hawke drag his knuckles on the ground as he runs.

I'm  not personally too fussed about it, but I thought it could definitely use improvement. Marian's run seemed less sex-kitten and more incompetent weakling to me.

[Demx]

Wait you want Bioware to make more then one walking animation for females? That's like asking Bioware to make breasts come in different sizes.

[cJohnOne]

Yeah, having too much muscle Is a little dumb to me with the exception of a Barbarian. Is this a common view or am I weird?

[sandalisthemaker]

brushyourteeth wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...


Plus people shouldn't misuse the term "Male Power Fantasy" and assume that it's universally accepted as positive to a male's image in media, as most men don't  strive to be like musclebound barbarians who look like they can't wipe their own @sses.  

Very true -- though (just for the sake of *the neutral stance*™) I think some of this thread's participants, and possibly the OP, are suggesting that female Hawke's super-sexy-schmexy walk is kind of the equivalent of having male Hawke drag his knuckles on the ground as he runs.

I'm  not personally too fussed about it, but I thought it could definitely use improvement. Marian's run seemed less sex-kitten and more incompetent weakling to me.

@The Hierophant
That's not what I personally believe to be the ideal that men should strive to emulate. Not at all.
That is simply the way most games depict men.

@brushyourteeth
I'm not comparing, I'm contrasting.
And yes, the run is pretty terrible, but it is the *walk* that screams sex-kitten, not the run.

[The Elder King]

Siradix wrote...

Wait you want Bioware to make more then one walking animation for females? That's like asking Bioware to make breasts come in different sizes.

I remember at least two threads about body slider (with a focus on the chest area) only in the DA3 GF. I doubt that we'll get either of those, since it's an additional cost (expecially the body slider) that I doubt Bioware/EA is willing to pay.

Modifié par hhh89, 15 mars 2013 - 09:19 .

[BeatoSama]

EA owns one of the only games that feutures boob and body sliders so they are obviously willing to pay for it. The question is if its worth paying for to use in Dragon Age.

[Topsider]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Topsider wrote...

They shouldn't even be attractive or sexy. Female characters will just be a man with long hair.

Female characters can be attractive and sexy without waggling their hip/buttocks around. 
Are you insinuating that male characters cannot be attractive or sexy?

No, I'm not, but you seem to think that "attractive and sexy" automatically means the character is being sexualized. The hip swagger on female Hawke was slightly exaggerated, sure, but even a natural walk with normal sized hips would look feminine, and dare I say it... sexy! So, I suggest that anyone offended by the sight of hips/buttocks simply focus on the game instead.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I thought LadyHawke's animations were silly.  But I never minded the female animations before that, from NWN - DAO.

Whatever they were doing then, I'd like them to keep doing.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 15 mars 2013 - 09:35 .

[The Hierophant]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Very true -- though (just for the sake of *the neutral stance*™) I think some of this thread's participants, and possibly the OP, are suggesting that female Hawke's super-sexy-schmexy walk is kind of the equivalent of having male Hawke drag his knuckles on the ground as he runs. I'm not personally too fussed about it, but I thought it could definitely use improvement. Marian's run seemed less sex-kitten and more incompetent weakling to me.

I actually agree with the premise of the op, but only took issue with an unrelated post. Plus i agree that fem Hawke's running/walking animation is off putting especially when playing a warrior. With a mage i can understand but lulz @ the warrior in heavy armor running like that.

If possible the devs could remedy the issue by adding a walk/run animation slider to the CC, so that there wouldn't be issues with players debating at how a female warrior/rogue should walk or run as they can determine it for themselves.

@sandalisthemaker - oh i understand now, thanks for the clarification.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 15 mars 2013 - 09:39 .

[The Elder King]

BeatoSama wrote...

EA owns one of the only games that feutures boob and body sliders so they are obviously willing to pay for it. The question is if its worth paying for to use in Dragon Age.

Of course the "worth" was in reference to DA, not in general. Though I think that the cost of a body slider in DA is greater than the cost in The Sims.
Regardless, I doubt we'll get a body slider, since it would mean that one of the main arguments Bioware advocated the lack or race option in DA3 was because of the additional works in animations and cinematics of the PC due to different body heigh and weight.

[rapscallioness]

I absolutely do not want a new female PC to walk the way the female Warden did.

No. Never again.

[rapscallioness]

lol @krul...yeah