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[chanman89]

FlashAK wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Cricketer15 wrote...

need people to help retake goddess back from scrubs.

more info in groups add mua

Let's see if you can do it without running the pizza.

Deep down they know that they are slower than us without their faster loading time, pizza running and easier controls. They need every advantage they can get against us though. Take those away and they have nothing.

Except better AI which leads to using cyclonics instead of adrenaline which leads to slower pizzas thus pizza running is used.

We have only spent about 4 hours to get a 8:25 so we dont even know all the objective locations or the best method for objectives yet. When we do manage to scrape together a team we will head back

[chanman89]

chipsandwich wrote...

You're going to have to do it without me until next Tuesday because I am ridiculously busy until then. Also Ausfailian internet.

As in the Tuesday after easter?

[Geek]

AI doesn't matter too much when you rocket everything in sight. But if it is too hard we understand.

[FlashAK]

chanman89 wrote...

FlashAK wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Cricketer15 wrote...

need people to help retake goddess back from scrubs.

more info in groups add mua

Let's see if you can do it without running the pizza.

Deep down they know that they are slower than us without their faster loading time, pizza running and easier controls. They need every advantage they can get against us though. Take those away and they have nothing.

Except better AI which leads to using cyclonics instead of adrenaline which leads to slower pizzas thus pizza running is used.

We have only spent about 4 hours to get a 8:25 so we dont even know all the objective locations or the best method for objectives yet. When we do manage to scrape together a team we will head back

A slightly better AI doesn't negate all the other clear advantages you
guys have and you know it. And, as Geek said, when you're rocketing
everything, AI doesn't matter too much.

[chanman89]

Geek Fest wrote...

AI doesn't matter too much when you rocket everything in sight. But if it is too hard we understand.

Objective waves dont use missiles and thats what gear and equipment are for, objectives waves. We use gear and equipment for objectives waves and in those waves u dont missile.

Loading times are still being brought up and no one has made a video similar to the one I made 2 months ago



I dont care if i get proved wrong about this, but I would at least like to see a similar video put up so i can do some analysis

[Geek]

Load times are different for 1 person than 4. here is a 4 man goddess load. I'll try to get a solo glacier to compare.

The pizza comment was supposed to be a challenge. Step up and beat it without taking advantage of a glitch. You guys are easily good enough to handle the enemies.

Modifié par Geek Fest, 27 mars 2013 - 03:29 .

[chanman89]

Geek Fest wrote...

Load times are different for 1 person than 4. here is a 4 man goddess load. I'll try to get a solo glacier to compare.

The pizza comment was supposed to be a challenge. Step up and beat it without taking advantage of a glitch. You guys are easily good enough to handle the enemies.

I know load times are different for 1 vs 4 but I wanted to see the min load time of an xbox. On PC, load times for maps other than glacier are very inconsistent with every run requiring their own timer rather than a set standard.

Timers are also really inconsistent in the game an example of such is every extraction wave seems to only last about 1:53 give or take 5 seconds instead of the designated 2 mins. This might be due to the encoding process, platform (may need to watch some more xbox extractions) or if the game has a slightly faster clock (been meaning to do this test for a while) but that would mean doing a bronze wave 3 to try get devices, hack or pizza.

[Geek]

Glacier solo load test (160 mb raw video)
Connection friendlier version (10mb)

Ok sorry for the quality here I recorded on my phone while playing. Comparing the 2 videos with the timer starting 4 seconds in so match timer starting at 9 and ending at 1:06 for a time of 57 seconds. You had 5 seconds of the loading screen count against your time, I had 17. So a 12 second head start in this case.

Modifié par Geek Fest, 27 mars 2013 - 04:07 .

[TouchedByYou]

I'd join if my PC manifest wasn't so bare

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Geek Fest wrote...

Glacier solo load test (160 mb raw video)
Connection friendlier version (10mb)

Ok sorry for the quality here I recorded on my phone while playing. Comparing the 2 videos with the timer starting 4 seconds in so match timer starting at 9 and ending at 1:06 for a time of 57 seconds. You had 5 seconds of the loading screen count against your time, I had 17. So a 12 second head start in this case.

Perhaps we should count time from the start of the wave or when the wave 1 banner disappears in order to counter any advantage or inconsistencies that load screen time might contribute.

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

Maybe if you bothered to switch to the almighty master race you wouldn't have to worry about it. You'll get the times you get and like it gawdaymit.

@ chan and cricketer, maybe if you guys wanted to do runs before 3 a.m.  (GMT -8) I would be available more.

Modifié par BACON4BREAKFAST, 27 mars 2013 - 07:40 .

[TheVanishedOne]

Can you guys remove those hash tags from group name?

Those tags r unnecessary.

[lightswitch]

warriorsea wrote...

Can you guys remove those hash tags from group name?

Those tags r unnecessary.

can't tell if serious

[Geek]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

Glacier solo load test (160 mb raw video)
Connection friendlier version (10mb)

Ok sorry for the quality here I recorded on my phone while playing. Comparing the 2 videos with the timer starting 4 seconds in so match timer starting at 9 and ending at 1:06 for a time of 57 seconds. You had 5 seconds of the loading screen count against your time, I had 17. So a 12 second head start in this case.

Perhaps we should count time from the start of the wave or when the wave 1 banner disappears in order to counter any advantage or inconsistencies that load screen time might contribute.

I'm not trying to troll, but any trollish comments are more of an attempt to see if PC is willing to do the Goddess run on a more equal footing. We put a lot of work into our run and would like to see if PC can compete on strategy and execution opposed to load times and pizza running. There will be no mockery from me if they can do it.

[Bechter]

chanman89 wrote...

Objective waves dont use missiles and thats what gear and equipment are for, objectives waves. We use gear and equipment for objectives waves and in those waves u dont missile.

Loading times are still being brought up and no one has made a video similar to the one I made 2 months ago



I dont care if i get proved wrong about this, but I would at least like to see a similar video put up so i can do some analysis

So you don't use missles for clean up on objectives?  <_<

You talk about load times its easy to test there are several videos of load times from similar maps on speed runs of 4 teams. Just clock the times and it does vary due to map, number of players, and who is playing. I'm going to try to load a solo vid and a team vid like yours today. No promises with my trailer park internet.

You talk about enemy A.I. being more aggressive which has never been spoken of by BIoware and the only tests have been done with A.I. which are comparing different frame rates on PC. 30fps console/=30fps PC. Non of your claims have been directly proven. The PC crew before you did it just fine without running with the pizza and they had Jay_Hoxtatron I guess a acussed aim botter has more honor than your crew.

And if you need cylconics instead of a adreneline rush thats a you problem.

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

Where is the video comparing console FPS and PC FPS?

Also I'm usually hosting speedruns and I play at consistent 60 FPS (could easily play higher) so the point is moot anyways.

I've spent a lot of time on eggsbawks and that AI is really derpy:D

Modifié par BACON4BREAKFAST, 27 mars 2013 - 09:23 .

[BridgeBurner]

warriorsea wrote...

Can you guys remove those hash tags from group name?

Those tags r unnecessary.

Looks like someone lacks the necessary YOLOSWAG to be in with the kids.

[Bechter]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Where is the video comparing console FPS and PC FPS?

Also I'm usually hosting speedruns and I play at consistent 60 FPS (could easily play higher) so the point is moot anyways.

I've spent a lot of time on eggsbawks and that AI is really derpy:D

Correct I said there has never been a video comparing fps on cosole with PC. Your PC brethen have taken a FPS video comparison on PC and used that to say console A.I. is inferior. Which is at best unknown at this time or a flat out fallacy. What point are you trying to make by the way? Console is designed to run at 30fps and PC is supposedly capped at 60fps. So both system would be running at their intended frame rates.

I know several people that have played on both platforms like yourself and they say for the most part the A.I. differences are minimal if any and are more than made up by the superior controls. The A.I difference at most is very small and would have little impact during a speed run. I've watched several speedrun videos from the PC and they are doing the exact same stuff when it comes to being in the line of fire. The only difference is therir damn 180 degree snap turns and pizza hackrunning.

The funny thing is the derpiest A.I. I have seen has been in a N7-Link video (One of your so called Master Race).

[cowwy]

Bechter wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Where is the video comparing console FPS and PC FPS?

Also I'm usually hosting speedruns and I play at consistent 60 FPS (could easily play higher) so the point is moot anyways.

I've spent a lot of time on eggsbawks and that AI is really derpy:D

Correct I said there has never been a video comparing fps on cosole with PC. Your PC brethen have taken a FPS video comparison on PC and used that to say console A.I. is inferior. Which is at best unknown at this time or a flat out fallacy. What point are you trying to make by the way? Console is designed to run at 30fps and PC is supposedly capped at 60fps. So both system would be running at their intended frame rates.

I know several people that have played on both platforms like yourself and they say for the most part the A.I. differences are minimal if any and are more than made up by the superior controls. The A.I difference at most is very small and would have little impact during a speed run. I've watched several speedrun videos from the PC and they are doing the exact same stuff when it comes to being in the line of fire. The only difference is therir damn 180 degree snap turns and pizza [/s][s]hackrunning.

The funny thing is the derpiest A.I. I have seen has been in a N7-Link video (One of your so called Master Race).

So you're using a video of someone who was cheating and was banned as the litmus test for AI?

[Bechter]

cowwy wrote...

Bechter wrote...

The funny thing is the derpiest A.I. I have seen has been in a N7-Link video (One of your so called Master Race).

So you're using a video of someone who was cheating and was banned as the litmus test for AI?

I was being sarcastic guess I should of used emoticons. I figured the master race would realize that was a comment poking fun but then again they use "facts' like that to back up most of they bogus claims (we need cyclonics because our A.I. is too good )

Modifié par Bechter, 27 mars 2013 - 09:45 .

[cowwy]

Bechter wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Bechter wrote...

The funny thing is the derpiest A.I. I have seen has been in a N7-Link video (One of your so called Master Race).

So you're using a video of someone who was cheating and was banned as the litmus test for AI?

I was being sarcastic guess I should of used more emoticons. I figured the master race would realize that was a comment poking fun but then again they use "facts' like that to back up most of they bogus claims (we need cyclonics because our A.I. is too good )

http://en.wikipedia..../wiki/Poe's_law

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

I'm aware of the controls, but it still allows for things you cant get away with on PC (at least mine) like running perpendicular to enemy fire to avoid it/weaving while running away to avoid fire.

We all know of the controversy on PC and honestly Bioware/(whatever engine the game runs on) really dropped the ball with the FPS scaling difficulty thing (and virtually zero cheat protection).
I would agree the AI doesn't make too much of a difference for speedruns though.

Much like the solo hall of fame thread I don't think you can really compare times between platforms (remove the controversial person). You guys are pretty dedicated to these speedrun things, I know that many players I play with aren't interested in it and I myself only became interested in the past month. Me and Dunvi are looking at the other maps to try to get some strategies and set some records hopefully.

Modifié par BACON4BREAKFAST, 27 mars 2013 - 09:58 .

[rnc007]

I can't really tell if you PC folks are serious or not - I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've got a collective dry wit.

Put simply, you have advantages that make it easier to get lower times. This makes times across platforms not comparable.

I and I think others would be wiling to overlook these if you all would be willing not to run with the pizza. Until then every time you put up that's lower than ours that has a pizza in it has an asterisk in the record books.

Make it happen and stop making excuses - the best of you would acknowledge the pizza advantage (and already have - see Jay). Time to put up or shut up.

[stysiaq]

Don't you dare remove YOLOSWAG from the group name.

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

rnc007 wrote...

I can't really tell if you PC folks are serious or not - I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've got a collective dry wit.

Put simply, you have advantages that make it easier to get lower times. This makes times across platforms not comparable.

I and I think others would be wiling to overlook these if you all would be willing not to run with the pizza. Until then every time you put up that's lower than ours that has a pizza in it has an asterisk in the record books.

Make it happen and stop making excuses - the best of you would acknowledge the pizza advantage (and already have - see Jay). Time to put up or shut up.

TBH I'm relatively new to speedrunning and I didn't know about this rivalry you guys have. Let me say you are troopers for putting up with dat framerate and dat controller, I switched to Pee-Cee after my RL friends stopped playing and i lurv it<3

*The 10:12 Giant time we got, there was one pizza and only I could run it because the aussie's connection and mokachino's Mexico connection. There was a lot of downtime of me running accross the map to the pizza that could have been picked up and walked backwards by someone easily. All in all it didn't affect that time too much and we can definately get faster.

Also Giant extraction video www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par BACON4BREAKFAST, 27 mars 2013 - 10:14 .