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[I_pity_the_fool]

stysiaq wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

I tried it on the Juggernaut with better consumables and it wasn't anywhere near that good. WTF ?

HM.

also the jugg gets a 5% geth weapon damage bonus not 10%

[Feneckus]

I_pity_the_fool wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

I tried it on the Juggernaut with better consumables and it wasn't anywhere near that good. WTF ?

HM.

also the jugg gets a 5% geth weapon damage bonus not 10%

He used an Assault Rifle Amp I, I used a III.

So that's a 20% difference.

And I was getting Avenger-like DPS against armor ...

That multiplicative bonus is HUGE.

[Bechter]

IIFlash wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

10% bonus to Geth weapons isn't dismissable.

Especially considering it's a 10% multiplicative bonus

Also all of hunter modes damage and fire rate perks.

Modifié par Bechter, 16 mars 2013 - 02:49 .

[U Bite My Pillow]

The Spitfire has to shine vs Geth/Cerberus due to its Shield stripping power, although once thier down to Armor the Typhoon would have an easier time.

[U Bite My Pillow]

Double post

Modifié par U Bite My Pillow, 16 mars 2013 - 02:56 .

[Lathlaer]

Feneckus wrote...

I_pity_the_fool wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

I tried it on the Juggernaut with better consumables and it wasn't anywhere near that good. WTF ?

HM.

also the jugg gets a 5% geth weapon damage bonus not 10%

He used an Assault Rifle Amp I, I used a III.

So that's a 20% difference.

And I was getting Avenger-like DPS against armor ...

That multiplicative bonus is HUGE.

Did you have Power Transfer evolution from fitness? That -15% would make your passives go to abyssmal levels.

[nicethugbert]

Annomander wrote...
Mag
Barrel
AP IV

is the optimal DPS set up for any AR. If you're not using that, you can't complain when the AR feels sucky... If you don't build your weapons properly, that's your fault, not the weapon's fault.

If it involves the Troll Store, I can do whatever the **** I want!  Death to the Troll Store!

[Kuriiiiiii]

 I can't use the spitfire, the screen shake gives me a headache.

[Trontor]

DesioPL wrote...
I see sometimes a people who carring the Cerberus Harrier, but i don't think Harrier is good for Juggernaut.

Yes, not enough ammo.

Well bonus for ammo is good indeed, but my personal feelings is for N7 Typhoon and Geth Spitfire.

The Prothean Particle Rifle also works very well. You never have to worry about running out of ammo when you are half an hour away from the next ammo box. You also don't to worry about having to be in the open while using the PPR. The Juggernaut can take a lot of damage and if you are under heavy fire you can just create a hex shield.

[Mariachi 43]

Annomander wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Try it without AP Ammo vs. bosses.

What is the point of this? You could do the same with the typhoon and get equally mediocre results.

AP Ammo is the best ammo for ARs, deliberately not using the best consumables then complaining a gun is bad would be like speccing 63 out of 84 points, then complaining your character is underpowered....

Spitfire: damage barrel, piercing mod, incendiary 4
typhoon: damage barrel, extended mag, incendiary 4

[Lathlaer]

Mariachi 43 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Try it without AP Ammo vs. bosses.

What is the point of this? You could do the same with the typhoon and get equally mediocre results.

AP Ammo is the best ammo for ARs, deliberately not using the best consumables then complaining a gun is bad would be like speccing 63 out of 84 points, then complaining your character is underpowered....

Spitfire: damage barrel, piercing mod, incendiary 4
typhoon: damage barrel, extended mag, incendiary 4

That is not even a contest

[Feneckus]

Mariachi 43 wrote...

typhoon: damage barrel, extended mag, incendiary 4

Doing it wrong. Typhoon badly needs some kind of piercing. 

[stysiaq]

Feneckus wrote...

Mariachi 43 wrote...

typhoon: damage barrel, extended mag, incendiary 4

Doing it wrong. Typhoon badly needs some kind of piercing. 

AP ammo is the only way to go for the Typhoon for me, unless I want some GTS Drill-lulzfest.

[Lathlaer]

Yeah, in that comparison:

1) whatever advantage typhoon had over spitfire in armor damage would be lost
2) spitfire would still do better damage against other defenses
3) due to the fact that ramped typhoon consumes 2 bullets per shot, spitfire even without EM would have larger clip

Like I said, not even a contest.

[UnknownMercenary]

I was going to make a video of no mods/consumables versus a platinum Atlas with 0 points in a character but then I got bored/annoyed 30 seconds into wave 1 and figured, why should I indulge such complete morons

[billy the squid]

Mariachi 43 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Try it without AP Ammo vs. bosses.

What is the point of this? You could do the same with the typhoon and get equally mediocre results.

AP Ammo is the best ammo for ARs, deliberately not using the best consumables then complaining a gun is bad would be like speccing 63 out of 84 points, then complaining your character is underpowered....

Spitfire: damage barrel, piercing mod, incendiary 4
typhoon: damage barrel, extended mag, incendiary 4

Why would you put an EB and incendiary 4 on the Typhoon? Clearly, it's either HVB + EM + Inc. IV or EB + Pierce + AP (if you don't have IV)  / EB + EM + AP 4

Spitfire. HVB +EM + Inc. 4 / EB + EM + AP4 I suppose Pierce could replace EM as the magazine size is already large if you don't have enough lvl 4 ammo, maybe EB + Pierce + Warp IV would be more suitable vs Collectors, Reapers I'm not sure on yet.

[billy the squid]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I was going to make a video of no mods/consumables versus a platinum Atlas with 0 points in a character but then I got bored/annoyed 30 seconds into wave 1 and figured, why should I indulge such complete morons

I could understand the no consumables, or low lvl consumables for people who haven't been repeatedly trolled by the store with lvl 4 cryo and disruptor ammo<_< so don't have a stock of AP/ Inc. or warp IV, like me. But no mods? Yep, that's just stupid.

[capn233]

Tried it on Geth Trooper on Gold last night. UUG ended up in Rio (!) vs Collectors. Spitfire is pretty damn good against Gold Collectors on this guy. I imagine it would be the same on GI or GE to some extent.

On normal classes I am not so sure. Those don't get Geth dynamic damage bonus, nor would they have extra ROF.

Movement penalty was massively annoying when a Scion would blanket grenades though.

Edit:  Previously all my Spitfire experience was basically on Juggernaut.  That was pre buff...  It was mediocre then, on that character.

Modifié par capn233, 16 mars 2013 - 04:09 .

[Lathlaer]

billy the squid wrote...

Mariachi 43 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Try it without AP Ammo vs. bosses.

What is the point of this? You could do the same with the typhoon and get equally mediocre results.

AP Ammo is the best ammo for ARs, deliberately not using the best consumables then complaining a gun is bad would be like speccing 63 out of 84 points, then complaining your character is underpowered....

Spitfire: damage barrel, piercing mod, incendiary 4
typhoon: damage barrel, extended mag, incendiary 4

Why would you put an EB and incendiary 4 on the Typhoon? Clearly, it's either HVB + EM + Inc. IV or EB + Pierce + AP (if you don't have IV)  / EB + EM + AP 4

Spitfire. HVB +EM + Inc. 4 / EB + EM + AP4 I suppose Pierce could replace EM as the magazine size is already large if you don't have enough lvl 4 ammo, maybe EB + Pierce + Warp IV would be more suitable vs Collectors, Reapers I'm not sure on yet.

Reapers: (if you don't have AP ammo)

Spitfire: EB + Piercing Mod + Warp rounds
Typhoon: EM + EB + Warp rounds (provided you have Warp IV)

According to tyhw's dps calculator, armor weakening granted by warp 4 is high enough so you don't need additional piercing for Typhoon. You kill brutes/banshees as fast or a bit faster.

[Lathlaer]

capn233 wrote...
Edit:  Previously all my Spitfire experience was basically on Juggernaut.  That was pre buff...  It was mediocre then, on that character.

Not surprising considering most Juggernaut builds sport a whooping +12,5% damage from passives and +5% with geth weapons

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

both need typhoon and spitfire need buffs, the weight is rediculus and the damage is ok, but then you could use the harrier, way lighter, higher dps, perfect accuracy, doesnt slow movement, just need to live by an ammo box.

[billy the squid]

ROBOTICSUPERMAN wrote...

both need typhoon and spitfire need buffs, the weight is rediculus and the damage is ok, but then you could use the harrier, way lighter, higher dps, perfect accuracy, doesnt slow movement, just need to live by an ammo box.

Harrier is good but overrated. It can't wipe a spawn effectively, like the Typhoon or Spitfire, you'll be out of ammo before you're half way through. Both the Lander and the PPR give it a run for it's money. Personally I don't mind the Spitfire's weight and movement penalties,  IF they buff the damage further to compensate for that. Because at the moment I don't feel a desire to choose the Spitfire over the Typhoon. And certainly not over the Lancer, PPR or Harrier except on very specific classes.

[Lucky]

Trogdorx wrote...

TheJtav wrote...

the typhoon takes 1 whole clip (about 180 bullets) as the spitfire only used 96 bullets leaving a spare 300 for continuous fire. Because of this I like the spitfire more.

The spitfire is useless whenever only hard cover is available. It requires you to be 'aiming out of cover' and thus exposes you to lots of incoming damage while you empty its enormous clip. That aspect alone pretty much prohibits its use from any class but the Jug.

This is moronic, every gun requires you to expose yourself if only hard cover is available...

[Kaithalas]

How..the hell do you people get Spitfire X and Typhoon X? I keep on getting crap consumables with every pack.