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[dirtdiver32318]

Those who disprove of the ending I believe they said are not in the majority. I am almost certain that bioware said they ran the numbers and there are more people who liked the ending then hated. (I could be wrong though). So yeah but I agree I had not bought the dlc. But people say it is good I also agree that they should have taken the time to extend on the ending a bit more.

[IanPolaris]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Those who disprove of the ending I believe they said are not in the majority. I am almost certain that bioware said they ran the numbers and there are more people who liked the ending then hated. (I could be wrong though). So yeah but I agree I had not bought the dlc. But people say it is good I also agree that they should have taken the time to extend on the ending a bit more.

A Bioware rep made that claim which is flatly contradicted by every public survey and poll that we have including Bioware's own public polls and a comprehensive (admittedly pre-EC) marketing study done to help Bioware (and sent to Bioware and posted on BSN).  What's more when challenged on this, no proof of this claim was forthcoming.

-Polaris

[txgoldrush]

IanPolaris wrote...

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Those who disprove of the ending I believe they said are not in the majority. I am almost certain that bioware said they ran the numbers and there are more people who liked the ending then hated. (I could be wrong though). So yeah but I agree I had not bought the dlc. But people say it is good I also agree that they should have taken the time to extend on the ending a bit more.

A Bioware rep made that claim which is flatly contradicted by every public survey and poll that we have including Bioware's own public polls and a comprehensive (admittedly pre-EC) marketing study done to help Bioware (and sent to Bioware and posted on BSN).  What's more when challenged on this, no proof of this claim was forthcoming.

-Polaris

He is talking the post EC ending, not the ending before the EC.

[dirtdiver32318]

Yeah I don't believe what they say is true. A lot of people I have seen on here polls even outside of BSN people I have talked to in mp many do not like it I myself included. But thy stood their ground and refused to change it. Gotta give them that they held the line hahahaha! ('twas a joke)

[IanPolaris]

txgoldrush wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Those who disprove of the ending I believe they said are not in the majority. I am almost certain that bioware said they ran the numbers and there are more people who liked the ending then hated. (I could be wrong though). So yeah but I agree I had not bought the dlc. But people say it is good I also agree that they should have taken the time to extend on the ending a bit more.

A Bioware rep made that claim which is flatly contradicted by every public survey and poll that we have including Bioware's own public polls and a comprehensive (admittedly pre-EC) marketing study done to help Bioware (and sent to Bioware and posted on BSN).  What's more when challenged on this, no proof of this claim was forthcoming.

-Polaris

He is talking the post EC ending, not the ending before the EC.

Um no.  Watch the video again.  The Doctor pretty clearly lables all those that were unhappy with the ending (not the fixed ending but the ending as it was published) as a minority.

-Polaris

[dirtdiver32318]

Even still did the EC really clear anything up??

[Robhuzz]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Yeah I don't believe what they say is true. A lot of people I have seen on here polls even outside of BSN people I have talked to in mp many do not like it I myself included. But thy stood their ground and refused to change it. Gotta give them that they held the line hahahaha! ('twas a joke)

And then they stopped holding the line and made the citadel dlc into a pure fanservice dlc and people around bsn and other places seem to like it a lot. Note: I'm not critisizing the citadel DLC. Why the change of heart? Did they run out of ideas of their own and decided to just go with fan input this time? Omg, you give fans what they asked for and they actually buy it. Shocking, I know. 

Should've done that with the EC or better yet, the original endings.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 18 mars 2013 - 08:37 .

[txgoldrush]

IanPolaris wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Those who disprove of the ending I believe they said are not in the majority. I am almost certain that bioware said they ran the numbers and there are more people who liked the ending then hated. (I could be wrong though). So yeah but I agree I had not bought the dlc. But people say it is good I also agree that they should have taken the time to extend on the ending a bit more.

A Bioware rep made that claim which is flatly contradicted by every public survey and poll that we have including Bioware's own public polls and a comprehensive (admittedly pre-EC) marketing study done to help Bioware (and sent to Bioware and posted on BSN).  What's more when challenged on this, no proof of this claim was forthcoming.

-Polaris

He is talking the post EC ending, not the ending before the EC.

Um no.  Watch the video again.  The Doctor pretty clearly lables all those that were unhappy with the ending (not the fixed ending but the ending as it was published) as a minority.

-Polaris

However Jessica Merizan's data suggests that the current ending, th emajority support it (or don't want more post ending DLC).

[IanPolaris]

txgoldrush wrote...

However Jessica Merizan's data suggests that the current ending, th emajority support it (or don't want more post ending DLC).

What data?  It wasn't as though she wasn't asked.  When someone makes an extraordinary claim, it had better come with eviedence.  So far no data has been forthcoming.

-Polaris

[txgoldrush]

IanPolaris wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

However Jessica Merizan's data suggests that the current ending, th emajority support it (or don't want more post ending DLC).

What data?  It wasn't as though she wasn't asked.  When someone makes an extraordinary claim, it had better come with eviedence.  So far no data has been forthcoming.

-Polaris

She said her data and her methods are confidential and internal secrets. Companies ar enot going to give away their marketing secrets and methods.

[Helios969]

^ the thing about data and statistical analysis is that there's a whole lot of interpretation and manipulation (respectively) applied.

On topic I think it passes...but just. I've come to terms with the ending(s) and reject them (insert head canon.) My hangup is the stupid Normandy rescue scene that has Harbinger ignoring the Normandy directly in front of it...just too stupid.

[WolfyZA]

It was a fail for me too.. not because it was not IT or anything like that, but because we got a SLIDE SHOW!!! A FREAKING SLIDE SHOW!!! AND few deleted scenes to cover up some plot holes for those who never saw the original endings... WTF MAN!!! You wasted 1.9GB of my cap for this shi-?? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....

And did someone mention Jessica Merizan??? I remember that liar...

Yeah she does that.... Just think of her as the local floozy at a club who says her gf likes you, then keeps on naggin you for hours on end to go and talk to her. When you finally do, you find out that this girl never even knew you existed.

In other words, she the liar of the forum, fabricating something out of pure specuation, giving hints in that re irrelevant... ect ect ect!!! I can quote VARIOUS twitter feeds of her just blowing smoke for hype reason, where nothing ever came from it...

Such a shame really too, many people looked up to her when this whole fiasco began.. Now she's just another sheep that no one pays attention to anymore..

Modifié par WolfyZA, 18 mars 2013 - 11:47 .

[BleedingUranium]

When asked where Normandy crashed in the ending, Jessica Merizan once said it crashed on Earth. When someone pointed out that Earth doesn't have two moons, she said it crashed on Mars.

[CaIIisto]

BleedingUranium wrote...

When asked where Normandy crashed in the ending, Jessica Merizan once said it crashed on Earth. When someone pointed out that Earth doesn't have two moons, she said it crashed on Mars.

Looked like Mars.....what with all that vegetation an' all.....

[Ticonderoga117]

BleedingUranium wrote...

When asked where Normandy crashed in the ending, Jessica Merizan once said it crashed on Earth. When someone pointed out that Earth doesn't have two moons, she said it crashed on Mars.

...
.....
Really?!



On topic: A big fail. Some general concepts were nice (Like an actual ending and the goodbyes at the ramp) but it all failed to execute them in a way that didn't make you want to bash your head against the desk because of how stupid or contrived it was.

[IanPolaris]

txgoldrush wrote...

She said her data and her methods are confidential and internal secrets. Companies ar enot going to give away
their marketing secrets and methods.

Then it doesn't count.  Unless we are allowed to examine the data for ourselves, it can not be considered.  For that matter we don't even know if there actually IS any data.

You don't get to have it both ways.  If you are going to make an objective claim based on data, then you need to be prepared to show that data.  Otherwise STFU

-Polaris

[Ticonderoga117]

IanPolaris wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

She said her data and her methods are confidential and internal secrets. Companies ar enot going to give away
their marketing secrets and methods.

Then it doesn't count.  Unless we are allowed to examine the data for ourselves, it can not be considered.  For that matter we don't even know if there actually IS any data.

You don't get to have it both ways.  If you are going to make an objective claim based on data, then you need to be prepared to show that data.  Otherwise STFU

-Polaris

Here here.

It'll be like saying "99% of all water is chemically treated to make you hungry." and then when asked to provide some data to show you're not talking out your behind, you go "No! I used some super secret confidential techniques to compile this data!"

Unless you ante up, your claim is a bunch of hot air.

[LilyasAvalon]

Fail. Too little, too late.

It should've been included in the VANILLA GAME, in other words, EA should've given Bioware the time they bloody needed and Bioware should've had the quads to ask for that extra time.

I don't mind waiting an extra 6 months or year, or hell, even two years if it means they actually release a FINISHED product.

[LilyasAvalon]

BleedingUranium wrote...

When asked where Normandy crashed in the ending, Jessica Merizan once said it crashed on Earth. When someone pointed out that Earth doesn't have two moons, she said it crashed on Mars.

. . . That's just sad.

[Impulse and Compulse]

Well.....*sigh*

I hate to criticize such an expansive and detailed FREE downloadable content that fixed so much about the endings, but........the endings are still just plain awful, plain and simple. All that it did was bring the ending to the same level as DE:HR's. Which is still a completely awful ending for a series.

I dunno, maybe it's the fact that they're trying so desperately to salvage the original unspeakable disgrace that was an ending that made things so bad, but maybe it's also the fact that all of the endings are just horrible and depressing. You're not balancing the choice out of which one would be the most beneficial, you're picking the one that screws up everything you've ever worked for in a way that sucks slightly less for you.

Destroy goes completely against what Shepard believes in. EDI and the Geth are some of my favorite characters, and I'll be damned if I'll undermine all of that. But Shepard lives, which is a massive plus. (and what everybody wants, pretty sure that's the only reason everybody picks this ending)

Control is just......meh. Once again, totally undermining everything you've worked towards and suddenly deciding that Cerberus is right. Also, Shepard dies, and the future is both uncertain and dangerous.

Synthesis......I'm not even going to talk about Synthesis. It's not even worth trying to explain how this works, because there's just simply too much to explain in less than half an hour of dialogue.

And the "new" ending? Come on, Bioware. We said we wanted to go down fighting and see everyone we know and love take as many as we can with us, not push a button and get a message saying everybody died. This is almost as big of a cop-out as the original ending.

Overall, I have to say I do greatly prefer the extended cut over the original (which I think goes without saying), but it's pretty much like they took a dog turd and sprayed it with Febreeze. It doesn't smell as bad on the surface, but it's still a dog turd, and the more you inspect it, the more the stench pushes its way through the Febreeze.

[Zagardal]

IanPolaris wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

She said her data and her methods are confidential and internal secrets. Companies ar enot going to give away
their marketing secrets and methods.

Then it doesn't count.  Unless we are allowed to examine the data for ourselves, it can not be considered.  For that matter we don't even know if there actually IS any data.

You don't get to have it both ways.  If you are going to make an objective claim based on data, then you need to be prepared to show that data.  Otherwise STFU

-Polaris

Bingo. Reminded me a lot of what happened to the 9/11 commission (you're wrong, we have information to prove there's a connection between Saddam and 9/11. We can't show you, but trust us, we have it. Good bye.)

Modifié par Zagardal, 18 mars 2013 - 05:33 .

[AlanC9]

IanPolaris wrote...
Then it doesn't count.  Unless we are allowed to examine the data for ourselves, it can not be considered.  For that matter we don't even know if there actually IS any data.

You don't get to have it both ways.  If you are going to make an objective claim based on data, then you need to be prepared to show that data.  Otherwise STFU

Sure. Since she doesn't produce the figures, people can call her a liar if they wish. And they have been doing that since... about five minutes after she posted the claim?

[Eterna]

I'm not going to contest that more people like the ending because I don't believe that to be the case. However, clearly by how Bioware is behaving enough people like the ending that they are not worried or concerned about it anymore. Enough people like the ending that they can afford to lose the people who don't.

[AlanC9]

Eterna5 wrote...

I'm not going to contest that more people like the ending because I don't believe that to be the case. However, clearly by how Bioware is behaving enough people like the ending that they are not worried or concerned about it anymore. Enough people like the ending that they can afford to lose the people who don't.

I imagine that they're putting together people who like the ending, people who don't care much about the ending, people who think the ending is terrible but that this doesn't matter very much, people who think the ending is flawed but not actually awful, etc. ..... and coming up with a number that's well north of 50%