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[o Ventus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Thane? Really? "I'm dying" is almost the very first thing he says to you. I like that he got to die being a hero, rather than slowly in a hospital bed.

1. I'm getting a little tired of pointing out the numerous treatments made available to Thane to prolong his life. I'll let you find them.

2. What does this have to do with anything I said?

[ZombifiedJake]

Elaborating on something that is terrible doesn't help. They couldn't retcon, but they could have taken it in another direction. It didn't do anything for me, really.

I also hated Bioware's stubbornness over it. They said they were catering for a minority (lie), and they didn't even cater well. You can throw around "entitled gamer" as much as you want, but it just wasn't a good conclusion.

[BleedingUranium]

o Ventus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Thane? Really? "I'm dying" is almost the very first thing he says to you. I like that he got to die being a hero, rather than slowly in a hospital bed.

1. I'm getting a little tired of pointing out the numerous treatments made available to Thane to prolong his life. I'll let you find them.

2. What does this have to do with anything I said?

Yes, and those treatments are why he lived as long as he did. When you meet him in ME3, he says his favourite doctor gave him six months to live, nine months ago. The most optimistic outlook was that he should have been dead three months before ME3 starts, all the other doctors gave him less time than that. And you're complaining he died?

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

was an extra couple slides showing shep settling down with their romance option too difficult?

I know, really. They could have made the end so much better, so easily, it's astounding. You don't even need dialogue. Put it a short cutscene of your LI and your Shepard doing... something, depending on your LI obviously. It would seriously be so easy it's just sad it didn't happen. Why put the breath scene in at all, if they won't add to it? It's trolling. But read my breath scene section of my OP if you want more detail.

I just attribute the breath scene as a teaser for the next Mass Effect game. Somewhat similar to how they do it in Halo where you get an extra scene for completing on Legendary. The only confusing thing is how they constantly say how Shepard won't be in the next one...so it raises the question: "Why have it at all and not follow up on it?" 

I put it to a 50/50 chance for either troll by BioWare or teaser for next game. 

[CronoDragoon]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

Wow 63% think EC sucks. Strange that the "vocal minority" is always the majority when it comes to polls about the ending... -.-

And all the polls I've seen match this one...

Not really. The massive poll that catalogued opinions pre and post EC show a remarkable difference in ending opinion; raising it from "utter crap" (4.9) to "mediocre bordering bad" (7.1). The EC did a lot, but considering everything it had to make up for, it wasn't able to make the endings great.

[BansheeOwnage]

CronoDragoon wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

Wow 63% think EC sucks. Strange that the "vocal minority" is always the majority when it comes to polls about the ending... -.-

And all the polls I've seen match this one...

Not really. The massive poll that catalogued opinions pre and post EC show a remarkable difference in ending opinion; raising it from "utter crap" (4.9) to "mediocre bordering bad" (7.1). The EC did a lot, but considering everything it had to make up for, it wasn't able to make the endings great.

Don't tell me what I've seen...

[CaIIisto]

TJBartlemus wrote...

I just attribute the breath scene as a teaser for the next Mass Effect game. Somewhat similar to how they do it in Halo where you get an extra scene for completing on Legendary. The only confusing thing is how they constantly say how Shepard won't be in the next one...so it raises the question: "Why have it at all and not follow up on it?" 

I put it to a 50/50 chance for either troll by BioWare or teaser for next game. 

More like it's BW hedging their bets - killing of their popular protagonist leaves them nowhere to go in the event of ME4 failing.

[AlanC9]

o Ventus wrote...

1. I'm getting a little tired of pointing out the numerous treatments made available to Thane to prolong his life. I'll let you find them.

Prolong life, or cure? Bit of a difference there.

I thought Thane had a good death.

[BansheeOwnage]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

MacroSpamMK wrote...
They couldn't change the endings.
First of all, it was Bioware's story and vision. Yes, their ending didn't appeal to a lot of people, but it was their ending and they'd be selling themselves out if they changed it. And two, they'd alienate the people (however few they may have been) who enjoyed the endings.

Because alienating the many hardcore fans who did want it changed because storywise, narratively, and thematically, is garbage is so much better.

Makes perfect sense.

This. As much as Bioware is making a story, they are also making an entertainment product. It's their job to entertain. Besides, what is good for the fans is good for Bioware.

@Bester I agree with your destroy and refuse post a few pages ago.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 mars 2013 - 02:57 .

[CronoDragoon]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Don't tell me what I've seen...

Okay, then, just interpret my post as me telling you what you haven't seen.

[Singu]

The ending is inherently broken. Not even Shakespear could fix it if he couldnt alter the actual ending. That kind of litterary wizardry has never existed and surely doesn't reside within the Bioware writing team.

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

What gets me even more is that they considered the Original Ending a "Fun Ending" http://youtu.be/igjfrbmCDlk?t=44m40s

 

Oh, Dr. Muzyka... how the mighty have fallen. 

It's truly saddening to see people judge Dr. Muzyka's character and business prowess over this. He gave a fantastic lecture and it's especially great for anyone thinking about starting a company (particularly one in the gaming industry).

[BansheeOwnage]

MacroSpamMK wrote...
It's not Bioware's fault you didn't like the EC.
I'm glad they stuck by their promise of not changing the ending. Whilst I don't think the endings are great, I'm glad to see that Bioware are willing to stick to their vision and not fold under hordes of angry people, many of which who simply bandwagoned it.

I almost laughed. Their PR over the last year is reason enough to be displeased with them. And I have no respect for them sticking to their "artistic vision" if they will not explain or defend it. Because you may have "art", but no integrity.

[IanPolaris]

MegaSovereign wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

What gets me even more is that they considered the Original Ending a "Fun Ending" http://youtu.be/igjfrbmCDlk?t=44m40s

 

Oh, Dr. Muzyka... how the mighty have fallen. 

It's truly saddening to see people judge Dr. Muzyka's character and business prowess over this. He gave a fantastic lecture and it's especially great for anyone thinking about starting a company (particularly one in the gaming industry).

He lied through his teeth and once again used the terms "humility" and "artistic integrity" in the same sentence.  You can be saddened all you like but in this case the daggers are deserved.

-Polaris

[MegaSovereign]

IanPolaris wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

What gets me even more is that they considered the Original Ending a "Fun Ending" http://youtu.be/igjfrbmCDlk?t=44m40s

 

Oh, Dr. Muzyka... how the mighty have fallen. 

It's truly saddening to see people judge Dr. Muzyka's character and business prowess over this. He gave a fantastic lecture and it's especially great for anyone thinking about starting a company (particularly one in the gaming industry).

He lied through his teeth and once again used the terms "humility" and "artistic integrity" in the same sentence.  You can be saddened all you like but in this case the daggers are deserved.

-Polaris

The "daggers" are not deserved because while it is certainly a small part of it, the lecture's highlight was not ME3's ending controversy.

I'd love to hear why you think he's lying, but it probably involves a mixture of taking quotes out of context, hyperbole, and or blatantly false accusations.

[tevix]

Well for one the Dr. had the guts to say the entire ME3 team liked the ending.

That's just not possible.

He also shoves off the people unhappy with the game as a vocal minority. Also a lousy move.

It doesn't matter what he's talking about. If he destroys his credibility with one thing his credibility is lost for all things.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

What made the story captivating, to me, was the setting and characters involved. I liked the plot, too, but the plot alone would never cut it. The original ending didn't work for me because it wasn't enough to know I stopped the Reapers. I was expecting that from the start. Getting another good, long look at the setting and characters again before leaving it was what I wanted out of the ending.

EC gave me that, so it's a pass. I had no other major issues with the ending.

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

What gets me even more is that they considered the Original Ending a "Fun Ending" http://youtu.be/igjfrbmCDlk?t=44m40s

 

Oh, Dr. Muzyka... how the mighty have fallen. 

It's truly saddening to see people judge Dr. Muzyka's character and business prowess over this. He gave a fantastic lecture and it's especially great for anyone thinking about starting a company (particularly one in the gaming industry).

It is saddening, yes. 

[tevix]

Yeah, I'm not so sure the doc's advice post-me3 is great business practice...

1) Make something people love
2) Lose your pace halfway through
3) Design a complete clusterf--- that enrages the majority of the dedicated consumer base.
4) Brush off all complaints and act like everything is 100% ok
5) ???
6) Profit?

[dirtdiver32318]

Yeah fail for me I'm still "da fug" about the end. EC kind of just added scenes in spots that did not clarify things for me. I could just be slow but the endings are still a black hole to me.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

"Better" is a word that comes to mind.. but it still felt like wasted potential and something that Bioware did while kicking and screaming (instead of honestly revisiting the endings to correct its logical flaws).

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 18 mars 2013 - 06:48 .

[BleedingUranium]

The ending makes more sense without the Extended Cut.

[Robhuzz]

ZombifiedJake wrote...

Elaborating on something that is terrible doesn't help. They couldn't retcon, but they could have taken it in another direction. It didn't do anything for me, really.

I also hated Bioware's stubbornness over it. They said they were catering for a minority (lie), and they didn't even cater well. You can throw around "entitled gamer" as much as you want, but it just wasn't a good conclusion.

Makes me wonder why they threw away the stubbornness when they made the citadel DLC. I didn't get it but from what I've seen, read and heard it's pure fanservice. Would it have been so difficult to put the same amount of effort into the EC to give the fans what they asked for?

About the 'entitlement', I also think that argument is getting old. There aren't any safeguards or laws to protect consumers of digital products (yet) so it's still anything goes for devs. I see this as an emotional betrayal. Bioware asked the fans to become emotionally invested in the mass effect series and the fans in turn trusted Bioware to bring about a proper conclusion. ME3 (not just the ending) felt like a slap in the face to me. Their failure to do so feels like a betrayal of the fans' trust and their stubbornness over it didn't make it any better.

[IanPolaris]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The "daggers" are not deserved because while it is certainly a small part of it, the lecture's highlight was not ME3's ending controversy.

I'd love to hear why you think he's lying, but it probably involves a mixture of taking quotes out of context, hyperbole, and or blatantly false accusations.

The entire team loved the ending.  We have strong evidence that this isn't in fact true and Casey and Mac actually made the endings without the normal input from the rest of the team.

Also the idea that the people that don't like the endings are a vocal minority is laughable, and he claims it not for post EC but for the original endings as well which is even more laughable.

Either he's lying or incompetant.  Pick one.

-Polaris