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[Renmiri1]

The inventive plot, mage combat animations, faster combat. women at the center of things (Meredith, Grand Cleric, Divine). The lack of fuss about sexuality, Legacy, the characters and their stories..

I liked Origins but to me it is a Lord of the Rings clone. DA2 was really innovative and I love it.

[Urazz]

Overall, I feel DA2 did a lot of things right but then screwed up others.

The plot was good overall, but the ending was rushed.  The plot felt very personal and didn't have an obvious bad guy or goal other than survival and succeeding in life like a normal person.  Act 3 could've actually been split up into two acts so we would get some build up to have the Mage/Templar conflict get a buildup to the heated levels it was at the start of Act 3.

The combat was pretty good and made every class feel needed.  The speed of the combat was much faster than DA: Origins and the cross class combos made for some interesting class interactions.  The bad things about the combat was the constant waves and bad spawning locations of mobs.  The maps being reused a lot also made things boring.

Another issue was that the choices you made in DA2 didn't really matter.  I.E. You could choose to be more neutral towards Mages and Templar throughout the game and in the end there was no neutral option at the end where you could focus on protecting the civilians and try to stop the Right of Annulment.

Modifié par Urazz, 18 mars 2013 - 07:41 .

[Sjpelke]

The two main themes in DA2 are a very nice angle. First part of the game about the Qunari, introducing the second theme mage/templar conflict nearing the completion of it.

More then one theme (instead of fighting against the one big bad from start till end) is something I would like to see return in DAI.

[Osena109]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

None.

This

[BioFan (Official)]

As someone who has just recently in the past week replayed DA:O and DA2, I quite prefer DA2's combat. The Origins combat was just way too slow in comparison. And DA2's combat is just more
"pretty" in general. I didn't feel like my character was doing the same move over and over again.

[Wifflebottom]

-Much more unique story, regardless of how you feel it was told it was still much more unique than: "Lul letz go stop an ancient evil from killin errbody!"

-Faster combat

-Race redesigns, Qunari look great and they've got a good idea with the elf redesign but it could be better applied to non essential characters Merrill, Tallis, Fenris, and Orsino all looked great but some were terrible

-Pretty much the entire art direction the armor designs and environments were much more distinct than Origins

-Party banter

-Very strong character writing, excluding Orsino and Meredith at the end of the game

[DragonMage95]

Mage Combat and the Friendship/Rivalry system.

[tanerb123]

big boobs

[lyleoffmyspace]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Something DA2 did that I really liked - that I've been asking BioWare to do for years, and they hadn't since the original Baldur's Gate - is how the game didn't hand you an obvious villain to start the game.

But DA2, like BG, didn't do that. That's certainly something I would like to see BioWare do again. Given us a world in which there's a bunch of stuff going on, and let us respond to it without necessarily knowing how it all fits together.

BG had a villain right off the bat - the mysterious and powerful Sarevok.

I dont think DA2 worked well without an antagonist. The Arishok was cool but he was very anticlimactic. You need something to motivate the player and frankly after Act 3 I was bored because all the tension dissolved due to the fact the main villain was defeated.

[Melca36]

renjility wrote...

The only thing I thought to be an improvement and hope to see again is the friendship/rivalry system for companions.

Its already been stated that DA3 will have something different

[wsandista]

I wouldn't mind seeing a break from Bioware's usual Linear-Go to 3 or 4 places- Linear story telling method, but would prefer it done in a way that isn't a disjointed mess.

[The Makr]

StElmo wrote...

El Dude 9 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Da2 had it's weaknesses, no doubt, but I loved it nontheless.
Features I want them to keep for DA3:

- all romances available for either gender
- speedy combat
- the option to be sarcastic and witty...even in the most inappropriate situations
- the Qunari redesign
- also the Elf redesign (yes, I like the new look, but I only wish they would pay a bit more attention to the lesser NPCs)
- MotA (I LOVED MotA. The puzzles, the party, the scenery, Tallis, and especially the look we got at Orlesian politics. GIMME MORE OF THAT, BIOWARE.)
- and last but not least: NO BOOB POCKETS ON ARMOR. BLESS THE MAKER.

So yeah, unlike many other people here, I enjoyed DA2 and have absolutely no doubt DA3 will be grand as well.

Why does so many people want all the characters to be bi. To me it makes it unrealistic like how often is it that everyone you know is bisexual. I like the way they did it in ME3 where some character's where gay some where straight and some where bi. To me it's more real. Like Issabela made sense to be bi but so did zeveran (The Elf guy forget his name) But not everyone should.

All Bi means everyone can play out their romance with the character of their choosing. It's nice.

Also it kind of gives the game a nice feeling of no gender/sexuality prejudice. If you are appealing, people are going to be up for it, no labels etc. etc.

I can totally see why people like that.

I hope you can also see why some people do not like it.  I don't want all the guy characters I interact with hitting on me.  It completely takes me out of the role playing.  In real life everyone is not Bi and there a far more straight people than gay.  That's not bias that is statistics.  ME3 hit about the right level where everyone can be somewhat happy, but no one is left entirely out of luck.

All characters Bi = Unrealistic and unnecessary.

[-TC1989-]

The Makr wrote...

StElmo wrote...

El Dude 9 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Da2 had it's weaknesses, no doubt, but I loved it nontheless.
Features I want them to keep for DA3:

- all romances available for either gender
- speedy combat
- the option to be sarcastic and witty...even in the most inappropriate situations
- the Qunari redesign
- also the Elf redesign (yes, I like the new look, but I only wish they would pay a bit more attention to the lesser NPCs)
- MotA (I LOVED MotA. The puzzles, the party, the scenery, Tallis, and especially the look we got at Orlesian politics. GIMME MORE OF THAT, BIOWARE.)
- and last but not least: NO BOOB POCKETS ON ARMOR. BLESS THE MAKER.

So yeah, unlike many other people here, I enjoyed DA2 and have absolutely no doubt DA3 will be grand as well.

Why does so many people want all the characters to be bi. To me it makes it unrealistic like how often is it that everyone you know is bisexual. I like the way they did it in ME3 where some character's where gay some where straight and some where bi. To me it's more real. Like Issabela made sense to be bi but so did zeveran (The Elf guy forget his name) But not everyone should.

All Bi means everyone can play out their romance with the character of their choosing. It's nice.

Also it kind of gives the game a nice feeling of no gender/sexuality prejudice. If you are appealing, people are going to be up for it, no labels etc. etc.

I can totally see why people like that.

I hope you can also see why some people do not like it.  I don't want all the guy characters I interact with hitting on me.  It completely takes me out of the role playing.  In real life everyone is not Bi and there a far more straight people than gay.  That's not bias that is statistics.  ME3 hit about the right level where everyone can be somewhat happy, but no one is left entirely out of luck.

All characters Bi = Unrealistic and unnecessary.

Agreed.

[BeatoSama]

A lot of people were unhappy with the romances in ME3 (female romances anyone?) they definitely didn't hit the mark for most female fans that's for sure.
Why should non-hetero people have to put up with having less content than everybody else because of realism?

[Renmiri1]

BeatoSama wrote...

A lot of people were unhappy with the romances in ME3 (female romances anyone?) they definitely didn't hit the mark for most female fans that's for sure.
Why should non-hetero people have to put up with having less content than everybody else because of realism?

Het female here. Shafted on ME3. It was horrid!

But you know what ? I love that everyone in DA has the same chance at romance that I have. I love that Thedas has bisexuality and homosexuality as a non issue.

And I'm pretty tired of all the whinning about the bisexual partners not being "realistic". It is a game with dragons, magic and darkspawn. It is NOT realistic nor it was or will ever be. Deal with it.

I'd rather everyone gets fair treatment and a few babies whine about it than knowing some of the players will be left in the lurch like I was in ME3.

(to whiners) --- >>> Grow up ffs!

Modifié par Renmiri1, 19 mars 2013 - 07:08 .

[daaaav]

Renmiri1 wrote...

BeatoSama wrote...

A lot of people were unhappy with the romances in ME3 (female romances anyone?) they definitely didn't hit the mark for most female fans that's for sure.
Why should non-hetero people have to put up with having less content than everybody else because of realism?

Het female here. Shafted on ME3. It was horrid!

But you know what ? I love that everyone in DA has the same chance at romance that I have. I love that Thedas has bisexuality and homosexuality as a non issue.

And I'm pretty tired of all the whinning about the bisexual partners not being "realistic". It is a game with dragons, magic and darkspawn. It is NOT realistic nor it was or will ever be. Deal with it.

I'd rather everyone gets fair treatment and a few babies whine about it than knowing some of the players will be left in the lurch like I was in ME3.

(to whiners) --- >>> Grow up ffs!

I'm not sure how useful the handwaving of discrimination is in Bioware games. Don't get me wrong, I reject bigotry absolutely and I look on a place like thedas with no little envy. Unfortunately, I don't believe it. It is not convincing that these issues are indeed non issues. The people of Thedas have nothing to TEACH us on these  issues since the player does not know how these social norms came to be. It is Biowares right to not include these themes in their games but every normal person loves being able to tell a bigot to get bent.  

[Plaintiff]

I don't understand why a lack of bigotry needs to be explained. There's no reason to think that specific kinds of bigotry (or really any bigotry) naturally arise as a side effect of a developing society. In fact, there are societies in our own world that demonstrate that this is not the case.

But as it is, bigotry does exist in Thedas. Bigotry against mages and elves, between Qunari and non-Qunari, between Orlais and Ferelden, between Kirkwall and Ferelden...

It really seems that the people of Thedas have enough bigotry to be getting along with. Why add more?

[Plaintiff]

The Makr wrote...

StElmo wrote...

El Dude 9 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Da2 had it's weaknesses, no doubt, but I loved it nontheless.
Features I want them to keep for DA3:

- all romances available for either gender
- speedy combat
- the option to be sarcastic and witty...even in the most inappropriate situations
- the Qunari redesign
- also the Elf redesign (yes, I like the new look, but I only wish they would pay a bit more attention to the lesser NPCs)
- MotA (I LOVED MotA. The puzzles, the party, the scenery, Tallis, and especially the look we got at Orlesian politics. GIMME MORE OF THAT, BIOWARE.)
- and last but not least: NO BOOB POCKETS ON ARMOR. BLESS THE MAKER.

So yeah, unlike many other people here, I enjoyed DA2 and have absolutely no doubt DA3 will be grand as well.

Why does so many people want all the characters to be bi. To me it makes it unrealistic like how often is it that everyone you know is bisexual. I like the way they did it in ME3 where some character's where gay some where straight and some where bi. To me it's more real. Like Issabela made sense to be bi but so did zeveran (The Elf guy forget his name) But not everyone should.

All Bi means everyone can play out their romance with the character of their choosing. It's nice.

Also it kind of gives the game a nice feeling of no gender/sexuality prejudice. If you are appealing, people are going to be up for it, no labels etc. etc.

I can totally see why people like that.

I hope you can also see why some people do not like it.  I don't want all the guy characters I interact with hitting on me.  It completely takes me out of the role playing.  In real life everyone is not Bi and there a far more straight people than gay.  That's not bias that is statistics.  ME3 hit about the right level where everyone can be somewhat happy, but no one is left entirely out of luck.

All characters Bi = Unrealistic and unnecessary.

Real-world statistics are irrelevent to Thedas.

[daaaav]

Plaintiff wrote...

I don't understand why a lack of bigotry needs to be explained. There's no reason to think that specific kinds of bigotry (or really any bigotry) naturally arise as a side effect of a developing society. In fact, there are societies in our own world that demonstrate that this is not the case.

But as it is, bigotry does exist in Thedas. Bigotry against mages and elves, between Qunari and non-Qunari, between Orlais and Ferelden, between Kirkwall and Ferelden...

It really seems that the people of Thedas have enough bigotry to be getting along with. Why add more?

I was just think of that after I posted. You are of course correct. Ninja'd I guess. 

[SgtElias]

daaaav wrote...

Unfortunately, I don't believe it. It is not convincing that these issues are indeed non issues.

It might be assumption on my part, but I thought it quite reasonable that, for the most part, sexism, racism, and homophobia were non-issues in Thedas. In a world that has mages (who the general population believes extremely dangerous), and other races such as elves, I think that people have quite enough ways to show their hatred, bigotry, and superiority.

I guess it makes sense to me that humans (who are usually the ones regarded as doing the discriminating) would focus on biggies such as species and magic, and care less about smaller issues of gender, race, or sexual orientation.

In our world, we don't have elves to be suspicious of, or mages to fear; we just have ourselves. I guess I figured that it was just a different kind of discrimination taking place in Thedas.

Edited to add: Aaaaand Plaintiff just beat me to it.

Modifié par SgtElias, 20 mars 2013 - 01:54 .

[Darth Krytie]

The Makr wrote...


I hope you can also see why some people do not like it.  I don't want all the guy characters I interact with hitting on me.  It completely takes me out of the role playing.  In real life everyone is not Bi and there a far more straight people than gay.  That's not bias that is statistics.  ME3 hit about the right level where everyone can be somewhat happy, but no one is left entirely out of luck.

All characters Bi = Unrealistic and unnecessary.

I don't like it when guys hit on my female characters either. It's a shame.

I like all bi because it means I can pick based on the person not the gender and/or sex of a character.

[Siegdrifa]

Things that i loved in DA2 ?
None. I did had fun with the game and i'm not a DA2 hater; but every aspect of the game could be improved.

Ah yes, one thing !
What i loved in DA2 is that it changed from the overused Bioware "prison" game...i'm talking about the usual "in order to defeat the evil bad guys, you have to travel to 4 / 5 location to recruit friends so they will help you to defeat it / him in a last mission of 30 minutes, didn't see that coming did you lol lol lol".

If even before playng the game and without knowing the story i already know what i'll have to do and how it will operate... it sucks pretty bad !
So DA2 was a fresh experience.

[Bummlmitz2]

Ericander77 wrote...

As someone who has just recently in the past week replayed DA:O and DA2, I quite prefer DA2's combat. The Origins combat was just way too slow in comparison. And DA2's combat is just more
"pretty" in general. I didn't feel like my character was doing the same move over and over again.

As someone who has done the same over the past weeks I couldn't disagree more.
All the flashy animations and the stupid warping around the battlefield just tries to distract you from the fact,  that DAO, especially with the added talent trees in Awakening, had a ton more depth in its battles.
And because somoeone mentioned Cross class combos (too easy to set up and way too powerful) earlier in this thread: they just replaced DAOs spell combinations, which were way more fun.

[Uccio]

Like I said before, the all bi-issue reduces li stories into cardboard cut outs. Insert name and face with flirt/flirt/flirt/shag/kiss model. Booring and repeatitive. It might just be problem of writing but I suspect making everyone available for everyone removes individual romances. Origins did it right.