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[Melca36]

Ericander77 wrote...

As someone who has just recently in the past week replayed DA:O and DA2, I quite prefer DA2's combat. The Origins combat was just way too slow in comparison. And DA2's combat is just more
"pretty" in general. I didn't feel like my character was doing the same move over and over again.

They already said combat would not be the same as it was in DA2


I think the people are expecting the combat to be exactly like DA2s
will end up disappointed as will the people who expect it to be like
Origins.

The game is getting a NEW game engine. Its not going to be like Origins or DA2.  And while I know they said they are taking the best of both games....I am expecting something completely different and I think people should start accepting the fact that its NOT going to be the same.

[BeatoSama]

@Ukki

Yeah origins totally did it right. It's totally fair that gay people should have less romances available.
A character is able to romanced by the same sex and suddenly they're cardboard cutouts?

Modifié par BeatoSama, 19 mars 2013 - 09:22 .

[Plaintiff]

Ukki wrote...

Like I said before, the all bi-issue reduces li stories into cardboard cut outs. Insert name and face with flirt/flirt/flirt/shag/kiss model. Booring and repeatitive. It might just be problem of writing but I suspect making everyone available for everyone removes individual romances. Origins did it right.

Shafting homosexual players by offering them half as many options is "doing it right"?

[fchopin]

I would like the DA2 escape from being hit for combat as in DAO we would get hit even if we were a mile away.

[AshenShug4r]

BeatoSama wrote...
Yeah origins totally did it right. It's totally fair that gay people should have less romances available.

seems fair to me. It's a small percentage of the population. Makes sense there would be fewer opportunities for romance.

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Like I said before, the all bi-issue reduces li stories into cardboard cut outs. Insert name and face with flirt/flirt/flirt/shag/kiss model. Booring and repeatitive. It might just be problem of writing but I suspect making everyone available for everyone removes individual romances. Origins did it right.

Shafting homosexual players by offering them half as many options is "doing it right"?

Pshaw.  You should be grateful for the crumbs you get thrown, you pleb!

The charge that Bioware romances could stand to be more in-depth is a fair one, at least in regards to DA2 if not Origins.  But I don't see any evidence that this is due to all romance characters being available to both (all?) genders.  As they stood, DA2 romances weren't terrible.  My biggest complaint is that they were rushed (my primary complaint about everything in the game), but how much improvement can be made here is limited by the medium.  Personally my biggest gripe was the writers' handling of the female-specific romance with Anders; more than a few women I know, myself included, were turned off of that romance dynamic because Anders was fundamentally more paternalistic toward female!Hawke than the male counterpart.  It was especially jarring due to the fact that Thedas is supposed to be fundamentally freeof sexist attitudes, and DA2 did a far, far better job of reflecting that quality than Origins, only to fail miserably with the f!Hawke/Anders pairing. 

But yeah, any problems with the quality of the romance stories...definitely not the fault of Bioware deigning to be inclusive toward its genderqueer audience.

Modifié par Silfren, 19 mars 2013 - 01:50 .

[Renmiri1]

AshenShug4r wrote...

BeatoSama wrote...
Yeah origins totally did it right. It's totally fair that gay people should have less romances available.

seems fair to me. It's a small percentage of the population. Makes sense there would be fewer opportunities for romance.

Oh yay, minorities should be treated as minorities forever in every medium.

Check your priviledge at the door. 

If Bioware and other gaming companies want to provide a game that has equality on the world they created you can sod off with your bigotry. 

[Cyberarmy]

Wave combat and parachuting enemies!

[The Hierophant]

I'd like to see a tulwar and katana hybrid design like Fadeshear in a future title.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 19 mars 2013 - 02:50 .

[Uccio]

Silfren wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Like I said before, the all bi-issue reduces li stories into cardboard cut outs. Insert name and face with flirt/flirt/flirt/shag/kiss model. Booring and repeatitive. It might just be problem of writing but I suspect making everyone available for everyone removes individual romances. Origins did it right.

Shafting homosexual players by offering them half as many options is "doing it right"?

Pshaw.  You should be grateful for the crumbs you get thrown, you pleb!

The charge that Bioware romances could stand to be more in-depth is a fair one, at least in regards to DA2 if not Origins.  But I don't see any evidence that this is due to all romance characters being available to both (all?) genders.  As they stood, DA2 romances weren't terrible.  My biggest complaint is that they were rushed (my primary complaint about everything in the game), but how much improvement can be made here is limited by the medium.  Personally my biggest gripe was the writers' handling of the female-specific romance with Anders; more than a few women I know, myself included, were turned off of that romance dynamic because Anders was fundamentally more paternalistic toward female!Hawke than the male counterpart.  It was especially jarring due to the fact that Thedas is supposed to be fundamentally freeof sexist attitudes, and DA2 did a far, far better job of reflecting that quality than Origins, only to fail miserably with the f!Hawke/Anders pairing. 

But yeah, any problems with the quality of the romance stories...definitely not the fault of Bioware deigning to be inclusive toward its genderqueer audience.

My text was a bit short in fact. I should have added that I suspect all bi to be the cause of dull romances because of resources. Bio tries to please everyone at the same time with scarce resources thus eding up cutting corners in romances. Or maybe its just rushed writing? Who knows, but I tend to think my first thought is closer to truth. I think DAO did it better, everyone are free to disagree.


As much as minorities go, since rasism is live and well in Thedas I see no reason why sexism could not be as well.
And before anyone jumps me I can tell you that my own brother is gay and I´ve seen personally how hard it has bee for him sometimes. I will defend my brother and his rights to death, yet I enjoy ism´s in my games.

Modifié par Ukki, 19 mars 2013 - 03:39 .

[Phaedros]

Back to DA:O original concept is last best hope for me ...

[philippe willaume]

I like the stealth concept in MoTA. need to be improved upon being caught but that could be used to give alternative approach to combat.

The companion side stories were much better designed that in DA:0 . Unfortunately, the companion were not that bothered with what you did or how you did it, so they ended up mattering less.

I liked that all companions were romance-able regardless the sex of protagonist in the play through. the way romances progressed was better in DA:0. not to mention having post shagging options.

For me the rest of DA:2 was not as good as DA;0
phil

[Giant ambush beetle]

I'm not sure if this counts as an ''element of DA2'', but I'd like to see a plot which is not about ''gather allies to defeat the obvious bad guy''.
While I didn't like the story of DA2 (at all) a clone of DAO's story would have been even worse.

Yeah, thats pretty much the only element I can think of.

Wait, this too: 

I like the stealth concept in MoTA. need to be improved upon being caught but that could be used to give alternative approach to combat.

Modifié par The Woldan , 19 mars 2013 - 04:39 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

The Makr wrote...

I hope you can also see why some people do not like it.  I don't want all the guy characters I interact with hitting on me.  It completely takes me out of the role playing.  In real life everyone is not Bi and there a far more straight people than gay.  That's not bias that is statistics.  ME3 hit about the right level where everyone can be somewhat happy, but no one is left entirely out of luck.

All characters Bi = Unrealistic and unnecessary.

Good thing DA2 didn't do that.  Was Merrill bi?  She only has a relationship with Hawke.  If Hawke is male, then perhaps Merrill was straight. If Hawke was female, then perhaps Merrill was gay.  Why would you conclude she was ever bi?

This is a serious question you should be able to answer.

Are you presupposing that Merrill is the same person with the same preferences in every playthrough?  If so, why are you doing that?

Moreover, you're misapplying the statistics.  Yes, what you say is true of the broader real-world population.  But, even in the real world (which Thedas is not, so its stats could well be different), that doesn't mean that every subset of people will conform rigidly to that same distribution.  Even if we accept your presuppositions about Merrill and the others, it's still only your own misunderstanding of the statistics that is causing you to see this as unrealistic.

[NPLMZ]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

None.

Just stop it.

[Wulfram]

edit: Decided against making this post

Modifié par Wulfram, 19 mars 2013 - 05:00 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

NPLMZ wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

None.

Just stop it.

It's not an unreasonable position, and voicing it here helps prevent threads like these from operating as push polls.

[BeatoSama]

But isn't writing that you liked nothing in a thread that specifically asks for things you liked kind of pointless?

[tanerb123]

more romance for male characters. ideally male character could romance with every female. cut female and same sex romance if needed. they are minority

[Murdario]

none.

[deaths origin]

i liked the new attack animations in DA2, they were ALOT more computer freindly. I still want my arcane mage back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BeatoSama]

@Murdario

So you didn't like the availability of higher resolution textures? That you could respec your character and change their appearance mid-game? That active effects faded away during cut scenes so you didn't stand there looking like a lightbulb?

Modifié par BeatoSama, 19 mars 2013 - 05:25 .

[philippe willaume]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

The Makr wrote...

I hope you can also see why some people do not like it.  I don't want all the guy characters I interact with hitting on me.  It completely takes me out of the role playing.  In real life everyone is not Bi and there a far more straight people than gay.  That's not bias that is statistics.  ME3 hit about the right level where everyone can be somewhat happy, but no one is left entirely out of luck.

All characters Bi = Unrealistic and unnecessary.

Good thing DA2 didn't do that.  Was Merrill bi?  She only has a relationship with Hawke.  If Hawke is male, then perhaps Merrill was straight. If Hawke was female, then perhaps Merrill was gay.  Why would you conclude she was ever bi?

This is a serious question you should be able to answer.

Are you presupposing that Merrill is the same person with the same preferences in every playthrough?  If so, why are you doing that?

Moreover, you're misapplying the statistics.  Yes, what you say is true of the broader real-world population.  But, even in the real world (which Thedas is not, so its stats could well be different), that doesn't mean that every subset of people will conform rigidly to that same distribution.  Even if we accept your presuppositions about Merrill and the others, it's still only your own misunderstanding of the statistics that is causing you to see this as unrealistic.

Surely you are not postualting that two different playthrough are two distinct itterations of the same reality and hence two separte and un-related realities. further concluding that the events in once can't have any bearing on the other.

Next I take that you will propose that in the world of thedas, the said statistic might vary accoding to being taken in Ferelden or in Orlais

Let it be known, that I can not stand any longer that use of this dreadfull cartesian logic. 
Hence in the name of the two fundamental pillars of moderned journalism that are oversimplification and mis-represenation of statistic, I will be expecting you in the "pres aux clercs"  in order to settle this differnet with cup cakes at 10 paces.

Phil