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#951
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Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

Ok as I'm typing this, I just beat the game for the first time.

What kind of ending was that??! I'm SO confused! Will DLC answer questions?!

This is my 1st entry into the Bioshock series, and I'll definitely pick up BS1 and BS2 for my birthday since the 360 combo pack is only about 30 dollars

I'm definitely going to replay this

The ending explains most stuff, the only thing we don't know is if Booker remembers anything after he wakes up in his office . I really hope he does, because then everything would be pointless and Booker would still be the same racist and violent person he was before he traveled to Columbia.

Ending is not what bothered me. The main thing that bothered me and made me laugh is Booker's redemption story.  I understand the events of Wounded Knee effected him but the fact that he tries to redeem himself by killing everyone he sees in Columbia is just laughable.

Play Bioshock 1 & 2.  Story is IMO a lot better and more mysterious. As soon as i saw Elizabeth opening portals to different dimensions i already guessed or at least expected who Comstock is and how this will end. However no one saw dat s*it coming when we meet Andrew Ryan in his office.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 27 avril 2013 - 06:17 .


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Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

Ok as I'm typing this, I just beat the game for the first time.

What kind of ending was that??! I'm SO confused! Will DLC answer questions?!

This is my 1st entry into the Bioshock series, and I'll definitely pick up BS1 and BS2 for my birthday since the 360 combo pack is only about 30 dollars

I'm definitely going to replay this


Its a bit of a info dump at the end, take some time to think about it.

Imo the ending was one of the best conclusions I have seen in years.

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Ok what was the part with all the lighthouses? Each was a different reality... with Booker becoming Comstock?

Oh and Booker= Comstock?

I get that Elizabeth= Anna....

Booker sold his own kid to those creepy Lucente twins....and became Comstock? a complete racist egomaniac...jerk?

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Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

Ok what was the part with all the lighthouses? Each was a different reality... with Booker becoming Comstock?

Oh and Booker= Comstock?

I get that Elizabeth= Anna....

Booker sold his own kid to those creepy Lucente twins....and became Comstock? a complete racist egomaniac...jerk?


SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have too understand the way different reality and timeline works.
Each lighthouse represents a different reality, there are different versions of Booker and Elizabeth presented in the each reality.
After the Wounded Knee massacre, Booker starts drinking and gambling since he can't ignore the pain. So he decides to go through the baptism. Here is where it gets complicated, new timelines appear:
-  Booker accepts the baptism, is cleansed from all sins and becomes the different person known as Comstock
-  Booker refuses the baptism, since he knows it won't make any difference and remains the same person.

(those are not the only versions of  Booker, those 2 are just explained the most, for example you also see how Booker is leader of Vox Populi rebbelion who is fighting against Comstock in one of many timelines)

We play Booker DeWitt who refused the baptism and sold his child to Comstock (due to gambling debts)
Since Comstock can't have children, he figured out how different timeline works and decided to take child
(Anna / Elizabeth) from the Booker so he could make her the next "Prophet" ( one of the timelines where you see, old Elizabeth and her fleet destroying New York)

When Booker figures out there are "infinite" number of timelines he decides to go back in the past, so he could prevent Comstock to ever be born and stop his religious bull****. 
Except that he doesn't know that Comstock is actually the same person he is until the very end, that's the reason why he allows Elizabeths to drown him.

Remember every time you were unconscious, you recieved flashbacks how "The Twins" are knocking on your door in the office? And asking to give them your child, while Elizabeth also appears along with them.
The final scene is basically the same but there is no knock on the door and Elizabeth is also not present.
All you hear is Booker's daughter crying. Which means that he stopped Comstock.  The only question that remains...Does Booker remember anything before that? Because if he doesn't then the whole plot was pointless.

But considering, he immediately checks on Anna after he wakes up + you can also hear how nervous and worried he is when he enters the room and calls her name, makes me think he does remember everything.

I know it sounds crazy but that's the ending.  Which is IMO very well made.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 27 avril 2013 - 10:26 .


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Wooooow...thank you for spelling that out to me! I had the pieces of the ending, but I just needed someone to put it all together for me :)

Oooo... that's why its called Bioshock Infinite... the repeating timelines

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Chewin3 wrote...

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She also kicks ass xD kind of a mix between Fiona and Snow White :P


Not to forget Rapunzel.

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Angry Joe had the Beauty & The Beast song play during this scene lol

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Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

Oooo... that's why its called Bioshock Infinite... the repeating timelines


It could aslo mean an "infinite amount of Bioshock stories" with Elizabeth saying "there is always a man, a lighthouse and a city".

I think it's a very clever title!

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Hawke_12 wrote...

Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

Oooo... that's why its called Bioshock Infinite... the repeating timelines


It could aslo mean an "infinite amount of Bioshock stories" with Elizabeth saying "there is always a man, a lighthouse and a city".

I think it's a very clever title!


The problem with that is if there is another game, everything would seem rather... well, rather pointless, don't you think? The quote says it all, "there is always a man, a lighthouse and a city." It breaks the internal 'fourth wall,' we are no longer restricted, it's a matter of omniscience granted to the player that dispells any mystery the setting might have. We've been given the links, we know why the next game will begin in a light-house, we know that whatever we do in our universe, there will be variables in others.

Unless, if there is a sequel, it will be set within the Booker/Comstock universe.

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Okay, there's something about the ending I need to ask you guys, because it's bugging me.

1. So was slate just full of crap this whole time? Since booker was comstock, and he went to get baptised after wounded knee, doesn't that mean he did indeed fight in that battle? Why didn't slate recognize him?

2. So I understnad that booker and comstock are tied together, they both cross the time streams and interfere with eachother and, more or less, create a massive paradox in the universe. But what I don't understand is why booker needed to have done to him what needed to be done? It doesn't seem to make sense, in my mind, that the solution would solve the paradox, as it is simply one booker who has already killed comstock being drowned, and not the original booker who went to find answers. Unless comstock was in fact the same booker who you've been playing, and after you defeat comstock somehow you would end up becoming him again, in which case this answers a lot and seals the paradox.

I'm just a little loss on how the solution is a solution, but understand almost everything else in the games ending.

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1. So was slate just full of crap this whole time? Since booker was comstock, and he went to get baptised after wounded knee, doesn't that mean he did indeed fight in that battle? Why didn't slate recognize him?


I suppose Booker went to certain measures to also change the way he looked. Remember the flashback where Booker actually sees himself as Comstock? There's your answer, he hardly looks like him.

Besides, it could be argued that Slate joined Comstock later, so he would be older.

As for the second question? My brain needs a little time to compute xD

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Multiverse/timeline stories are tricky to pull off. Infinite was pretty good but I couldn't escape the feeling that most of the stuff I did in the long middle part of the game (tracking down the gun maker) was pointless. If I wasn't as used to these plots (curse you Dr. Who and bad Sci-fi channel tv shows that were made bad by excessive multiverse plots) I would have enjoyed it more and hadn't figured out the twist long before it happened.

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Rumor Patrol: ‘BioShock: Infinite’ DLC to Feature New A.I. Character

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Rumor Patrol: ‘BioShock: Infinite’ DLC to Feature New A.I. Character

Daisy would be an obvious candidate.

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BouncyFrag wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Rumor Patrol: ‘BioShock: Infinite’ DLC to Feature New A.I. Character

Daisy would be an obvious candidate.


What's interesting, to me at least, is that this would seem to suggest there'll be more pairings to come?

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Interesting.

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I don't know if working with daisy would be the best option, seeing how things turn out with her. Of course, multiverse and all that, could find one where she isn't a backstabbing snake.

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I don't know if working with daisy would be the best option, seeing how things turn out with her. Of course, multiverse and all that, could find one where she isn't a backstabbing snake.


It's your own damn fault for complicating the narrative.:D

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So, i know i've probably see it wrong, but i have one wonder about the end.
When the 3 elizabeths drown you, the one in the right (the new one, that we've never saw) seems to actually have her little finger. Could that one be Anna ?

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Evazin wrote...

So, i know i've probably see it wrong, but i have one wonder about the end.
When the 3 elizabeths drown you, the one in the right (the new one, that we've never saw) seems to actually have her little finger. Could that one be Anna ?


Impossibru. Elizabeth can only be there because she lost her finger, and Anna would only exist after Booker is drowned.

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OdanUrr wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I don't know if working with daisy would be the best option, seeing how things turn out with her. Of course, multiverse and all that, could find one where she isn't a backstabbing snake.


It's your own damn fault for complicating the narrative.:D


I wouldn't be surprised if it's Booker and Elizabeth again but in some alternate reality since there are multiple Elizabeth models only seen once. 

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I don't know if working with daisy would be the best option, seeing how things turn out with her. Of course, multiverse and all that, could find one where she isn't a backstabbing snake.


It's your own damn fault for complicating the narrative.:D


I wouldn't be surprised if it's Booker and Elizabeth again but in some alternate reality since there are multiple Elizabeth models only seen once. 


I'll insist with my young Comstock idea, traveling to Rapture to get the plans for the Big Daddy.:whistle:

EDIT: Cool avatar.;)

Modifié par OdanUrr, 30 avril 2013 - 12:41 .


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That would interesting, but even so, I'm sure a revisit to Rapture is on the cards. Way too much nostalgia money.

And likewise, thank you.

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

Evazin wrote...

So, i know i've probably see it wrong, but i have one wonder about the end.
When the 3 elizabeths drown you, the one in the right (the new one, that we've never saw) seems to actually have her little finger. Could that one be Anna ?


Impossibru. Elizabeth can only be there because she lost her finger, and Anna would only exist after Booker is drowned.


Very true. Oh well.
Anyway, i hope the theory about songbird being the first Booker turns out true. Then all bookers (comstock, dewitt and songbird) would die in water, drowing.
Constants and variables =P

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Okay, there's something about the ending I need to ask you guys, because it's bugging me.

1. So was slate just full of crap this whole time? Since booker was comstock, and he went to get baptised after wounded knee, doesn't that mean he did indeed fight in that battle? Why didn't slate recognize him?


Booker completely reinvented himself as Comstock. He acted differently, spoke differently, took a different name, and looked different thanks to the aging process of the Siphon. 

2. So I understnad that booker and comstock are tied together, they both cross the time streams and interfere with eachother and, more or less, create a massive paradox in the universe. But what I don't understand is why booker needed to have done to him what needed to be done? It doesn't seem to make sense, in my mind, that the solution would solve the paradox, as it is simply one booker who has already killed comstock being drowned, and not the original booker who went to find answers. Unless comstock was in fact the same booker who you've been playing, and after you defeat comstock somehow you would end up becoming him again, in which case this answers a lot and seals the paradox.

I'm just a little loss on how the solution is a solution, but understand almost everything else in the games ending.


Essentially, that wasn't happening in one single reality, but in every reality at once, or all the ones where Booker accepted the Baptism, at least. Hence the multiple Elizabeth's. This stopped Comstock from ever existing, period, which resulted in Elizabeth not being created, and also hence why she dissapears. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 avril 2013 - 02:14 .


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I understand that they went to the epicenter of the paradox, where booker and comstock both exist at the same time, place, and space. But my only trouble with the ending is how killing booker, the current booker, stopped the past booker from becoming comstock.