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[OdanUrr]

thats1evildude wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

If you want but one example, there's that bit when they go through the first tear. Why do they go through the tear? Because they needed Chen alive. But why did they need him alive? So he could make weapons for Fitzroy's revolution in order for Booker to then get his airship. But even if Chen were to be alive in this new reality, this doesn't ensure that he'll make the guns for Fitzroy. More importantly, though, who's to say there's any kind of deal between Fitzroy and Booker?

That's absolutely true, OdanUrr, but I accept that Booker and Elizabeth are just improvising at that point, as they've otherwise reached a dead end in their quest. No gunsmith=no guns for revolution=no airship.

Surely they could've found an alternate means of transportation, be it another airship or even going through one of Elizabeth's tears to Paris.

[thats1evildude]

OdanUrr wrote...

Surely they could've found an alternate means of transportation, be it another airship or even going through one of Elizabeth's tears to Paris.

In terms of long-range aircraft, Columbia is pretty lacking in that regard. Most of the little ships are automated and, at any case, would be very unpleasant to fly all the way to New York or Paris, provided that Comstock or Songbird didn't simply catch up to it. Finding a tear to Paris is more feasible, but you would have to find one. (Until the end of the game, Elizabeth can only open existing Tears.)

But ultimately, Booker and Elizabeth can't abandon the plot because that would mean the great wrong that is Columbia and Comstock never being righted.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 01 août 2013 - 06:22 .

[OdanUrr]

thats1evildude wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Surely they could've found an alternate means of transportation, be it another airship or even going through one of Elizabeth's tears to Paris.

In terms of long-range aircraft, Columbia is pretty lacking in that regard. Most of the little ships are automated and, at any case, would be very unpleasant to fly all the way to New York or Paris, provided that Comstock or Songbird didn't simply catch up to it. Finding a tear to Paris is more feasible, but you would have to find one. (Until the end of the game, Elizabeth can only open existing Tears.)

But ultimately, Booker and Elizabeth can't abandon the plot because that would mean the great wrong that is Columbia and Comstock never being righted.

But Liz opens a tear to Paris near the beginning of the game, when you're watching her through the window.

[thats1evildude]

OdanUrr wrote...
But Liz opens a tear to Paris near the beginning of the game, when you're watching her through the window.

Yes, that's a stationary tear currently encased in rubble within the partially-destroyed Monument Island. It's obviously unsuitable for travel. And we never encounter another tear going to Paris.

EDIT: Sorry, I just remembered that the entire island could not have been destroyed, or else Elizabeth's powers would have been unlocked. I also realized that "stationary" was a better term than "static."

Modifié par thats1evildude, 01 août 2013 - 06:52 .

[OdanUrr]

thats1evildude wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...
But Liz opens a tear to Paris near the beginning of the game, when you're watching her through the window.

That's a static tear destroyed with the rest of Monument Island.

What do you mean by static tear? And, if the whole of Monument Island was destroyed, wouldn't that have unleashed her powers?

[TheClonesLegacy]

OdanUrr wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Figured they'd be.

If you want but one example, there's that bit when they go through the first tear. Why do they go through the tear? Because they needed Chen alive. But why did they need him alive? So he could make weapons for Fitzroy's revolution in order for Booker to then get his airship. But even if Chen were to be alive in this new reality, this doesn't ensure that he'll make the guns for Fitzroy. More importantly, though, who's to say there's any kind of deal between Fitzroy and Booker? The ultimate objective was to leave Columbia and they keep losing sight of it with every new tear they open.

Elizabeths escort Mission part 2?

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 01 août 2013 - 06:47 .

[OdanUrr]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Figured they'd be.

If you want but one example, there's that bit when they go through the first tear. Why do they go through the tear? Because they needed Chen alive. But why did they need him alive? So he could make weapons for Fitzroy's revolution in order for Booker to then get his airship. But even if Chen were to be alive in this new reality, this doesn't ensure that he'll make the guns for Fitzroy. More importantly, though, who's to say there's any kind of deal between Fitzroy and Booker? The ultimate objective was to leave Columbia and they keep losing sight of it with every new tear they open.

Elizabeths escort Mission part 2?

Pardon?

[TheClonesLegacy]

Nothin.

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 01 août 2013 - 06:56 .

[OdanUrr]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Nothin.

LOL

I hadn't seen those videos!

[LPPrince]

So thats a thing

[TheClonesLegacy]

OdanUrr wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Nothin.

LOL

I hadn't seen those videos!

Everyone should.
YOU CAN'T FEED A BABY TO A WALL!

[thats1evildude]

WIZARDS CAN'T HAVE BABIES!

I made a mildly interesting discovery in Clash in the Clouds. If you unlock both of the Lutece statues in the Columbia Archaeological Society, a tear will open at the back to the Lutece laboratory. There, you can find about five unused voxaphone recordings by Rosalind. One talks about Fink, one about Comstock, one about Robert, one about the Tears and another about Songbird's curious relationship with Elizabeth. (No, not like that, you pervs.)

Modifié par thats1evildude, 02 août 2013 - 05:32 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I'm more excited about this DLC than I was for the main game. I guess Rapture will forever be the place Bioshock truly belongs, for me.. :|

[Blooddrunk1004]

Agree.
While i like Columbia very much it doesn't even come close to dark and scary Rapture IMO.
Funny thing is i asked a lot of people what is the first word that comes to their mind when they hear Bioshock. Most of them said: Rapture, Little sisters or Big Daddy.

Going back into the depths of Rapture is imo dbest thing, it excites me a lot more then a trip to Paris would.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 02 août 2013 - 06:12 .

[obZen DF]

I cannot wait to see which specific 'old friend' Ken Levine meant when he said you meet an old, not really nice, friend from Bioshock 1 in Burial at Sea DLC.

[Addai]

Suchong maybe?  Guess it could be Ryan or Fontaine, which would be more of a "friend."

Modifié par Addai67, 03 août 2013 - 03:37 .

[TheChris92]

It might be Sander Cohen - You sort of helped him completing his 'Master Piece', but he wasn't really a friend though. It could also be Fontaine though - Heck, it could be anyone I think.

[obZen DF]

It would be great to see anyone of them actually. It brings a certain mix of nostalgia and freshness to it. As it's in an entirely different circumstance than Bio 1.

[Chewin]

TheChris92 wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...
Ken Levine did phrase that the DLC would be "A loveletter to the fans", so I'd think a revist to Rapture is surely possible! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

Well that could mean anything, but it is indeed the general belief that it could mean something Rapture related, which I personally am against. Sure, it would be very nostalgic and possibly seeing Rapture during it's "Utopian period" would be an intriguing idea, but I think Rapture has been explored already. We've had two games to experience Rapture as a city, its people and their views (objectivism / collectivism), and ultimately its legacy. What Infinite offered was more than enough, a nostalgic moment and one that wasn't out of place.

We've seen Rapture, and the upcoming DLCs should have a focus on Columbia, since there's a lot yet to explore and other features that haven't been explored fully.

Taking this opportunity to say; Called it!  
Anyway, looking forward to the first episode -- The horde mode? Not so much

Haha, indeed you did. Should have seen this coming myself. 

To be perfectly honest, the trailer got me very interested in the DLC, though I will repeat that I am a bit skeptical about returning to Rapture yet again. Just as said in my previous statement, exploring the Utopian side of Rapture is a very thrilling concept, but I'm afraid this particular DLC exists mostly for fan service (as Levine put it--"Love letter to the fans"). From a marketing point of view, I can see it as a very strategic move--with Rapture as a setting and with the inclusion of both Booker and Elizabeth will basically make a lot of people happy, instead of it being Columbia / Rapture with other characters. It is Levine, so I am certain he will deliver a solid DLC, though I am afraid how exactly the story will turn out and how it will affect the "Booker / Elizabeth story arc".

And hearing that the City in the Clouds is one of the promised story DLCs--with Rapture serving as the remaining two part DLC--I can't help but feel a bit dissapointed.

[Isichar]

Finally got the 15 blue ribbons on Ops of zeal.

Oh man forget about wave 10+, wave 4 was just ****ing stupid. I kept failing the challenge because a bullet would hit a rocket and cause it to explode and hurt an enemy. Terrible design decision on that imo, I have to use a spray fire weapon but avoid hitting any of the projectiles that the guy is shooting?

The siren and the 2 handymen were cake compared to that for me.

Modifié par Isichar, 03 août 2013 - 10:23 .

[Fiery Knight]

Chewin3 wrote...
Haha, indeed you did. Should have seen this coming myself. 

To be perfectly honest, the trailer got me very interested in the DLC, though I will repeat that I am a bit skeptical about returning to Rapture yet again. Just as said in my previous statement, exploring the Utopian side of Rapture is a very thrilling concept, but I'm afraid this particular DLC exists mostly for fan service (as Levine put it--"Love letter to the fans"). From a marketing point of view, I can see it as a very strategic move--with Rapture as a setting and with the inclusion of both Booker and Elizabeth will basically make a lot of people happy, instead of it being Columbia / Rapture with other characters. It is Levine, so I am certain he will deliver a solid DLC, though I am afraid how exactly the story will turn out and how it will affect the "Booker / Elizabeth story arc".

And hearing that the City in the Clouds is one of the promised story DLCs--with Rapture serving as the remaining two part DLC--I can't help but feel a bit dissapointed.

Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. It seems like a step back, and like Levine admitting "yeah, Columbia wasn't that good, let's just do Rapture again". 

*sigh* Well I'll just wait and see how it turns out. Not buying Season Pass after all.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Columbia was okay, I loved it's design and idea.
The problem was Rapture was a critique of Objectivism for the most part. Columbia was shooting for being a critique of American Patriotism, Ultra Nationalism, Religious extremism, Racial Discrimination, and several other things. Rapture felt more focused in what it was trying to say overall.
And I look forward to going back to Rapture

[Straw Nihilist]

You should play it Nick, it's really great.

[LPPrince]

Bioshock Infinite is NOTHING like AC2, and both were incredible games in their own right.