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[Bfler]

Colenda wrote...

Though in this case, the most recent delay was caused by the XBox early release, not by the devs. If the Xbox RTO hadn't been released early, there would have been no need of a bug fix, and we might have RtO already.
 

What the difference between the early release and the normal release?  If I consider the fact that there is no update until now its obvious that Bioware didn't know about that bug. If Microsoft would have released it one day later we would have the same situation now because they got their version from Bioware.

Modifié par Bfler, 16 janvier 2010 - 01:46 .

[JaegerBane]

Abriael_CG wrote...
yesterday was not a week end, and I wouldn't know, but normally in the case of extremely poor performance people sometimes do tend to give up a day off or two to make it up (or at least they should). And i would say that "extremely poor performance" is an euphemism in RtO's case.

Well that depends on what you consider 'extremely poor performance'. Not releasing an app on a random day despite a lack of ETA at all is not really considered 'extremely poor performance' by anyone in reality. It's a shame you feel that way, but ultimately, it shouldn't be a surprise that such an extreme interpretation has resulted in you getting annoyed. That's what tends to happen with this infuriating sense of entitlement that seems to pervade these kinds of forums.

And on a slight digression, dictating to staff in a company you have no involvement with what days they should or shouldn't be doing is an act of unbelievable arrogance.

This would be all right, if you didn't forget to mention that before then they failed to meet their dealine twice. That's, as I said, extremely poor performance in any professional field.
Maybe they got an agreement with polyphony to release RtO in bundle with Gran Turismo 5?

Look, deciding to cherry pick what you like to make your point is a waste of time. I could just as easily point out you have forgotten to mention that the 'second' release date was clearly not a controlled release, not to mention that you seem to consider a DLC and a game to be no different in release complexity, or even the fact that none of us actually know who was responsible for releasing it on 360 in the first place.

Put bluntly, we don't know enough to make any real assessment of what's going on or who to blame. Therefore it's pointless. Complain if you like, but it's unlikely to achieve much. The message that people are annoyed and waiting is something they are already aware, so it;s not like it's going to do anyone any further good.

And frankly, I don't have such a colossal opinion of myself that I consider myself fit to judge the running of a project when I have little more than a few posts to go on.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Another day and night with no news. At this stage, I'm not really surprised anymore. Looks like at Bioware they think that all is well, that they did nothing wrong, and as such they don't really owe us any kind of information. Sad as it is, sometimes success brings an excess in confidence. I've seen this kind of attitude before, and in the long run it proved pretty disastrous. I can only hope this case won't go the same route.

It does sound throughly ironic that pirates are enjoying RtO with no issue, while the most loyal customers are here waiting without a word from the developer. At this rate, I'd say the theory of a "dark pact" with microsoft is the most solid one. While I'm glad that bioware didn't go (for now) as far as granting them exclusive DLCs, I truly wish software houses stopped to take their bribe money screwing up the rest of the gaming community.

Hate to say this, but I think they have taken that pact. Granted it isn't really an 'Exclusive' pact, but it is a 'release at the same time' pact, which means that the PC version will have to wait till they have fully fixed everything that has gone wrong on the 360 side of things. Which is why they can't comment on the PC version or they would probably be breaking some legal red tape that MS has setup.

I agree it is sad state of affairs, but the truth is "There is always a bigger fish" sadly other than a highly unlikely boycott by the world of MS products or some company whom microsoft can't 'buyout' coming along with a far more revolutionary system that everyone will want, that will never happen.

So now all we can do is wait and be patient, or forget about it and move on to something else.

[JaegerBane]

Bfler wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

 It is a weekend - they may well be on their days off. 

The normal procedure, if you do something wrong and therefore the work isn't finished, is to work overtime.

Do we actually know that they've done anything wrong? Or is that point not relevant to your crowd?

I am stunned by the kind of arrogance I'm seeing on here. A DLC fails to arrive and suddenly people take it upon themselves to demand that people work overtime. Christ.

[JaegerBane]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Hate to say this, but I think they have taken that pact. Granted it isn't really an 'Exclusive' pact, but it is a 'release at the same time' pact, which means that the PC version will have to wait till they have fully fixed everything that has gone wrong on the 360 side of things. Which is why they can't comment on the PC version or they would probably be breaking some legal red tape that MS has setup.

It wouldn't surprise me either. Such a setup sounds very M$-ish.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

JaegerBane wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Hate to say this, but I think they have taken that pact. Granted it isn't really an 'Exclusive' pact, but it is a 'release at the same time' pact, which means that the PC version will have to wait till they have fully fixed everything that has gone wrong on the 360 side of things. Which is why they can't comment on the PC version or they would probably be breaking some legal red tape that MS has setup.

It wouldn't surprise me either. Such a setup sounds very M$-ish.

And yet they had brought it out on 360 before anything else. Not much for bringing it out at the same time it would seem. Though It’s possible that this bug may affect the PC versions of Dragon Age Origins. Or perhaps they are doing this just in case the PC version has the same bug or perhaps others.

[Silensfurtim]

JaegerBane wrote...

Bfler wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

 It is a weekend - they may well be on their days off. 

The normal procedure, if you do something wrong and therefore the work isn't finished, is to work overtime.

Do we actually know that they've done anything wrong? Or is that point not relevant to your crowd?

I am stunned by the kind of arrogance I'm seeing on here. A DLC fails to arrive and suddenly people take it upon themselves to demand that people work overtime. Christ.

Just because MS messed up RtO it doesnt mean Bioware should just do nothing and just wait for MS to fix things up.

[mousestalker]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

And yet they had brought it out on 360 before anything else. Not much for bringing it out at the same time it would seem. Though It’s possible that this bug may affect the PC versions of Dragon Age Origins. Or perhaps they are doing this just in case the PC version has the same bug or perhaps others.

MS released it early, not EA or Bioware. And it has been withdrawn.

[Bfler]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

And yet they had brought it out on 360 before anything else. Not much for bringing it out at the same time it would seem. Though It’s possible that this bug may affect the PC versions of Dragon Age Origins. Or perhaps they are doing this just in case the PC version has the same bug or perhaps others.

If the bug is related to the xbox update why should the PC version have the same bug? During the day of the xbox release there was a statement that the release of the PC version should  be during the same day.  So there must be a final stable build.  What other bugs should it have then? 

Modifié par Bfler, 16 janvier 2010 - 02:01 .

[whtnyte-raernst]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Hate to say this, but I think they have taken that pact. Granted it isn't really an 'Exclusive' pact, but it is a 'release at the same time' pact, which means that the PC version will have to wait till they have fully fixed everything that has gone wrong on the 360 side of things. Which is why they can't comment on the PC version or they would probably be breaking some legal red tape that MS has setup.

I agree it is sad state of affairs, but the truth is "There is always a bigger fish" sadly other than a highly unlikely boycott by the world of MS products or some company whom microsoft can't 'buyout' coming along with a far more revolutionary system that everyone will want, that will never happen.

So now all we can do is wait and be patient, or forget about it and move on to something else.

The problem is, Microsoft has, in the past, been willing to break laws, get caught, and pay the fines as a matter of standard business. It's how they operate when they can't "buy someone out" they drive them out of business by less respectable methods because they can afford the fine and keep operating. The smaller fish can't so they get gobbled up.

Modifié par whtnyte-raernst, 16 janvier 2010 - 02:02 .

[mra1981]

$5 says this replaces the Awakening release date and that gets pushed back to 2011 or something.

[MprezdNZ]

Genevere Amell wrote...

Has anyone heard anything about the PS3 version?

I have

They are working on it

[Leonhartx]

mra1981 wrote...

$5 says this replaces the Awakening release date and that gets pushed back to 2011 or something.

win.

[Abriael_CG]

JaegerBane wrote...
Well that depends on what you consider 'extremely poor performance'. Not releasing an app on a random day despite a lack of ETA at all is not really considered 'extremely poor performance' by anyone in reality. It's a shame you feel that way, but ultimately, it shouldn't be a surprise that such an extreme interpretation has resulted in you getting annoyed. That's what tends to happen with this infuriating sense of entitlement that seems to pervade these kinds of forums.

Ooooh how much i love people that whine about people that complain.

First release window: Holiday season -> Missed.
Second release date: January the 5th -> Missed
Third release date: "Later today" on January the 13th -> Missed

I don't see any "lack of ETA" there.
I don't know what your "reality" is, or what field you work in (if you even work), but I can most definitely assure you that in most professional fields failing to meet three deadlines in a row topped by lack of proper communication with the customer would result in people losing their jobs and/or contracts. So yes, like it or not, "extremely poor performance" is a quite mild way to define this debacle.

If you think that, after three missed release dates and misleading communication that promped people to buy the points without having anything to show for it, is "infuriating sense of entitlement", then I'm afraid that you get "infuriated" very, very easily.

And on a slight digression, dictating to staff in a company you have no
involvement with what days they should or shouldn't be doing is an act
of unbelievable arrogance.

And on a slight digression, who is dictating? Are you even aware of the meaning of the verb "dictate"? They're entirely free to do whatever they want, and we're are entirely free to consider them professional or not based on the decisions they take. That, in my dictionary, has to do with opinion, not dictation.

Look, deciding to cherry pick what you like to make your point is a waste of time. I could just as easily point out you have forgotten to mention that the 'second' release date was clearly not a controlled release, not to mention that you seem to consider a DLC and a game to be no different in release complexity, or even the fact that none of us actually know who was responsible for releasing it on 360 in the first place.

First of alll, the one you consider "uncontrolled", was the third release date, not the second. Secondy, they still came to us telling "hey, it's gonna be out later today". This means that they were sure that the content was ready. That, or they panicked, neither of which is commendable.

And frankly, I don't have such a colossal opinion of myself that I consider myself fit to judge the running of a project when I have little more than a few posts to go on.

Given how you consider yourself fit to judge disgruntled customers asking at the very least for informative communication in a case of extremely poor performance, you still seem to have quite a colossal opinion of yourself.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 16 janvier 2010 - 02:16 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

mra1981 wrote...

$5 says this replaces the Awakening release date and that gets pushed back to 2011 or something.

If it is that hard to realease a small DLC then I doubt the promise to release DLCs in the coming 2 years will produce much. If we are lucky another DLC by the end of the year and maybe one in the next. Hoping for another expansion in 2011 looks like pushing it.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 16 janvier 2010 - 02:15 .

[JaegerBane]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Hate to say this, but I think they have taken that pact. Granted it isn't really an 'Exclusive' pact, but it is a 'release at the same time' pact, which means that the PC version will have to wait till they have fully fixed everything that has gone wrong on the 360 side of things. Which is why they can't comment on the PC version or they would probably be breaking some legal red tape that MS has setup.

It wouldn't surprise me either. Such a setup sounds very M$-ish.

And yet they had brought it out on 360 before anything else. Not much for bringing it out at the same time it would seem. Though It’s possible that this bug may affect the PC versions of Dragon Age Origins. Or perhaps they are doing this just in case the PC version has the same bug or perhaps others.

I don't think anyone is under any illusions that the release on 360 was planned. At a guess, I reckon that releasing stuff on Live requires M$ to throw the final switch, not Bioware.

[MprezdNZ]

JaegerBane wrote...


Look, deciding to cherry pick what you like to make your point is a waste of time. I could just as easily point out you have forgotten to mention that the 'second' release date was clearly not a controlled release, not to mention that you seem to consider a DLC and a game to be no different in release complexity, or even the fact that none of us actually know who was responsible for releasing it on 360 in the first place.

I will just point out it is pretty obvious it was MS' fault it was released early. They entered a date in 2009 for it to go live rather than 2010. It is quite possible that it was given to MS for further testing and it was only meant to be loaded on live as an advance date (so MS QA staff could set their machines to the future date and test both the dl and install etc). All this is speculation of course because we don't get told anything. But the fact it was released early as far as I can tell is all MS' fault. 

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

And yet they had brought it out on 360 before anything else. Not much for bringing it out at the same time it would seem. Though It’s possible that this bug may affect the PC versions of Dragon Age Origins. Or perhaps they are doing this just in case the PC version has the same bug or perhaps others.

That is basically impossible. Since the issues with the xbox relate to the title update, not the dlc. And I am still yet to see people having issues on pc with the illegal download of the dlc. 

[Abriael_CG]

JaegerBane wrote...

I don't think anyone is under any illusions that the release on 360 was planned. At a guess, I reckon that releasing stuff on Live requires M$ to throw the final switch, not Bioware.

Actually everything leads us to believe that the release on 360 was planned, just for the next day. The whole catch is that some server monkey at microsoft wrote 01/14/2009 in his terminal instead of 01/14/2010, prompting the system to believe that the content was already released and opening the floodgates.
If it was not ready to release, they wouldn't have come to us telling that the PC version would have been released "later today". No developer without gallons of alchool in his blood would make such an announcement without an already finalized and ready-to-ship product.

[Loerwyn]

My faith.



It is slowly ebbing away.

[MprezdNZ]

Abriael_CG

While I generally agree with your sentiments, I still believe MS are behind this. The 3rd release I can totally forgive Bioware for. Yes Chris said we would get it later in the day, but that is before the issues with the 360 started to manifest. So without knowing why it was happening they were right to withhold the pc dlc. If, as we all suspect, there is an agreement with MS for simultaneous release once it got pulled from xbox, pc was never going to get it.

At least either the 1st or 2nd release I believe relates to xbox users wanting achievements or MS wanting achievements for their customers. This continual bending over for MS has more to do with EA than anything else I feel.

But no disagreements that their handling of communication has been poor. I know they can't admit they have an agreement with MS, but they could at least be forthcoming with some information

Modifié par MprezdNZ, 16 janvier 2010 - 02:35 .

[Silensfurtim]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

My faith.

It is slowly ebbing away.

dont...

it will still be released...



















this holiday season..

[MprezdNZ]

Abriael_CG wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

I don't think anyone is under any illusions that the release on 360 was planned. At a guess, I reckon that releasing stuff on Live requires M$ to throw the final switch, not Bioware.

Actually everything leads us to believe that the release on 360 was planned, just for the next day. The whole catch is that some server monkey at microsoft wrote 01/14/2009 in his terminal instead of 01/14/2010, prompting the system to believe that the content was already released and opening the floodgates.
If it was not ready to release, they wouldn't have come to us telling that the PC version would have been released "later today". No developer without gallons of alchool in his blood would make such an announcement without an already finalized and ready-to-ship product.

it is possible though that they were still testing on 360. While they weren't expecting it to be released, I think we can pretty much accept that pc version has been ready since at least 05 Jan. The fact they won't answer us either way why the pc version can't ship or whether it is actually ready to me just confirms it is but they can't release it

[Raidra]

Think of this as an opportunity, you don't always find everything in a game on your first play through right? So it takes patience and time and there's your answer. Show some patience and in time it will come. "A man without patience will remain lost forever".   

Modifié par Raidra, 16 janvier 2010 - 02:36 .

[MprezdNZ]

stupid dbl post on an edit

Modifié par MprezdNZ, 16 janvier 2010 - 02:36 .

[Silensfurtim]

you see guys, i think the original plan was to release all at the same time. they just keep on delaying each platform to let each of them close in to each other then simultaneously release it.



thats what ive heard on the road. take it for what it is. - bodhan