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Abriael_CG wrote...

cygnata wrote...

Or, they don't want to promise more than they can deliver. NDAs are also powerful things. Have patience. They're probably as frustrated by all this as you are.


This is a backwards way to see it.
If you fail to deliver on your set release dates, the problem isn't that you set deadlines, but that you fail to meet them.
This means that your planning ability is poor, and needs to be improved, expecially if it happens multiple times in a row.
The "not giving release dates anymore" may seem the easy way out, but it's most definitely not the professional way out, expecially when you have a system like "bioware points" in place, and misleading web pages that prompt and encourage users to pay for the product beforehand.
When you take people's money in advance, giving reasonable release dates and doing whatever it takes to meet them is not something you can consider optional.

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Oh I don't think they are blameless.
However, given EA's close ties to MS perhaps it is an agreement they
are bound by - not something they actually accepted themselves?


Actually EA in itself has been faily equidistant between Microsoft and Sony lately, so I wouldn't know how close their ties with MS are. On the contrary, in the last few months I've seen them lean a little bit more towards Sony. Now, I don't know if that's because Sony is penetrating the market at a very good pace with the price drop and the release of a new sku, or because of a few a tad overly aggressive moves on microsoft's part towards EA, that the gaming community at large had very little mention of.
Still, I'm surprised to see EA (that certanly doesn't need Microsoft's pocket change) bow to them this way

@JaegerBane: All I will say, is that you seem to work in an extremely forgiving environment. I can't say I ever worked in a single environment in which three missed deadlines AND lack of proper customer communication would not lead to very serious problems, both employment-wise and legal. So yes, I would definitely define this debacle an extremely poor performance. And I don't think this is "sense of entitlement", but simple pragmatism. When you screw up, you do whatever you can to make it up. That includes overtime, public apologies (normally from the project leader or even the company CEO), and very detailed communication. Unfortunately I don't see that happening, thus, I'm disappointed.

Since you talk about sense of entitlement, Be careful not to nurture developers' sense of entitlement of missing release dates and witholding communication. That's a quite damaging trend.



Tsk tsk...Abrigael.....picking on the forum goers again? :)   Just because you believe you are perfect..doesn't mean anyone else skips to your tune nor your rigidity of schedule.  hehe

Would you relax please and get off that soapbox?   

Thank youuuuu :)

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I love this game, im gonna buy every dlc and every expansion that is or will be possible!

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MAD BAD DAVE wrote...

Don't get too excited Eowyn77....it will end in tears.

and that is another thing i don't understand. yes...i am excited to play the new DLC but it's supposed to be short. shorter than wardens keep...why is everyone so pissed about something this small. i could partially understand if we were talking about something as big as what awakening is supposed to be but for thi?. there are some really impatient people (or just extremely self-entitled) to be this miffed over 30 mins to an hour of gameplay

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Okay ...DOES ANYONE actually know whats going on here..other than conspiracies whilst wearing tinfoil hats.

Nope not one of us knows what is going on....none.

It might even be something they have absolutely no control over.......again, doesn't it seem odd that certain things are not happening...such as: webpages that should have been updated by now..the wiki etc?

The only Mod I have seen in the last two days is Tori..other than that, nada.

Whats going on Bioware? Talk to us. :)

Modifié par Feraele, 16 janvier 2010 - 03:26 .


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halfempty77 wrote...

MAD BAD DAVE wrote...

Don't get too excited Eowyn77....it will end in tears.

and that is another thing i don't understand. yes...i am excited to play the new DLC but it's supposed to be short. shorter than wardens keep...why is everyone so pissed about something this small. i could partially understand if we were talking about something as big as what awakening is supposed to be but for thi?. there are some really impatient people (or just extremely self-entitled) to be this miffed over 30 mins to an hour of gameplay


I just got stabbed by a little knife I don't know why he's howling in pain. It's not like it's a broadsword or something maiming like that.

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Feraele wrote...
Tsk tsk...Abrigael.....picking on the forum goers again? :)   Just because you believe you are perfect..doesn't mean anyone else skips to your tune nor your rigidity of schedule.  hehe


There's a lot of difference between perfection and the ability/will to do whatever it takes to make it up when lack of perfection causes problems, wouldn't you say so? :D

Anyway, I'm off shopping, Zara and Gamestop here i come.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 16 janvier 2010 - 03:28 .


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Feraele wrote...

Okay ...DOES ANYONE actually know whats going on here..other than conspiracies whilst wearing tinfoil hats.

Nope not one of us knows what is going on....none.

It might even be something they have absolutely no control over.......again, doesn't it seem odd that certain things are not happening...such as: webpages that should have been updated by now..the wiki etc?

The only Mod I have seen in the last two days is Tori..other than that, nada.

Whats going on Bioware? Talk to us. :)


Speaking of Torias. Does he have any other job than being a forum moderator? he seems to be ubiquitous

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i threw out my tinfoil...this isn't the moon landing its a video game...problems happen when you are dealing with millions of lines of code

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Look..the DLC came out for Ostagar..then it got removed again. It is supposedly 'broken' but actually it isnt. Trust me..it's not. I don't know what's so confusing here?





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a little off subject but does anyone know how well this game would run an a core 2 duo P8700 (2.53 GHz)

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Thank you Jaegarbane, I know for a fact that "over the holiday season" was not a specific set date. Jan 5 was....Jan 13 ..was a whoops. Due to a Microsoft employee...so really the only "missed date" was Jan 5 maybe.



But I do consider ..after having played the game numerous times...that we are getting quality not crap. I think Bioware's standards are pretty high..otherwise they wouldn't bother and just push the mess out without backtracking and checking all code for all platforms, ....this is not a literal quote from Chris on this thread...but same words different way to say.



As I've said before ..people need to quit pumping up the volume here over a teeny tiny dlc, that months down the road, other than that t-shirt :D will be entirely forgotten. :P



Put things in perspective, and don't get an ulcer.



By the way...message meant for general reading audience, not anyone in particular. :)

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MAD BAD DAVE wrote...

Look..the DLC came out for Ostagar..then it got removed again. It is supposedly 'broken' but actually it isnt. Trust me..it's not. I don't know what's so confusing here?


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If it's the xbox download you might want to read experiences from other xbox users thanks to a big bug before telling everybody the dlc is fine 8)

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MAD BAD DAVE wrote
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Just a lil chime in before I run to do my shopping. Paint me surprised, I thought Duncan kill that ogre?

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 16 janvier 2010 - 03:39 .


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Chris Priestly wrote...

The Title Update has been removed by Microsoft. If anyone was worried about playing their copy of Dragon Age: Origins on their Xbox 360 whle this was present, you no longer need to worry.

We are still working on a fix the the issue introduced to those who did install the Title Update.

We are checking all versions of Return to Ostagar to ensure that there are no outstanding issues or the possibility of introducing new ones. Currently, we do not have an eta for the release of Return ot Ostagar on any platform.

When I have more details or information, I will let you know.



:devil:


Thanks Chris.  This update provides more details about the current state of RTO.  Are you aware of any plans to change the information on the "Game Add-Ons" tab for RtO to reflect that it is not yet available?  Such a change would be helpful for the many people who choose not to engage in the forum and who head to the website first.

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We are without news again, we are now abandoned. What a disappointment.

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halfempty77 wrote...

a little off subject but does anyone know how well this game would run an a core 2 duo P8700 (2.53 GHz)


I am on an amd core duo...4 year old computer works fine, I just make sure video drivers (Nvidia) and audio and direct x are up to date.

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We are without news again, we are now abandoned. What a disappointment.

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XBOX'ers take a hike and stop delaying our DLC's for the King of platforms..PC!!!!!

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Abriael_CG wrote...

MAD BAD DAVE wrote
Achievements Gamerscore
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Acquired 14/1/2010


Just a lil chime in before I run to do my shopping. Paint me surprised, I thought Duncan kill that ogre?


Well he planted both his weapons in the ogre's chest ..so I would say yeah Duncan killed it.

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Feraele wrote...

Thank you Jaegarbane, I know for a fact that "over the holiday season" was not a specific set date. Jan 5 was....Jan 13 ..was a whoops. Due to a Microsoft employee...so really the only "missed date" was Jan 5 maybe.


Yup!

But I do consider ..after having played the game numerous times...that we are getting quality not crap. I think Bioware's standards are pretty high..otherwise they wouldn't bother and just push the mess out without backtracking and checking all code for all platforms, ....this is not a literal quote from Chris on this thread...but same words different way to say.


After already missing the 5th of januari releasing a dlc a bit later with a big bug like the xbox version had would have filled the forum too with people screaming at Bioware. Instead of "Why didnt you release it Bioware you suck!!" they would have had "Why did you release it in this state after finding a bug which was holding back the 5th of januari release"

As I've said before ..people need to quit pumping up the volume here over a teeny tiny dlc, that months down the road, other than that t-shirt :D will be entirely forgotten. :P


It's fun to read these forums while working!

Put things in perspective, and don't get an ulcer.


/pours another Johnny Walker blue label and starts nipping

By the way...message meant for general reading audience, not anyone in particular. :)


Darn!!! =P

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Magonian wrote...

XBOX'ers take a hike and stop delaying our DLC's for the King of platforms..PC!!!!!


We are gamers here first...no more platform wars....k

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Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Seriously you two (Abriael and Jaeger), can you take it to a PM or something? If you want to have mini argument with each other, the rest of us don't need to hear it. Both of your comments are reminding me of this song, constantly rechurning the same old stuff over and over.

MprezdNZ, I totally agree that would have been the logical thing to do, specially yesterday, but we don't know what information they are allowed to give do we?

People make mistakes and I know they've made three already, but it ain't the end of the world as we know it, or is it?


It's definitely not the end of the world for me. I have more than enough to do in game than worry about the dlc. I will get it when it comes out because I love the game. There is little they could do to really upset me enough to walk away from the game.

But IF they had given us something like what I suggested, it isn't really telling us much - but it gives the comfort that they are making some progress. I don't see how this could possibly backfire on them at all - I can't see how there would be any issue with releasing what is almost nothing in terms of information. There are no promises, no expectations provided, nothing. Just - yup we have found something but we need to work our way through all of it before we can be confident that we can release it. 

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Thanks for the "blue Bioware tag" tip, Feraele. That's going to be very useful.







MAD BAD DAVE, I haven't downloaded the new DLC, just the title update, which is where the bug is supposed to be. I haven't seen any problems yet, but I guess I wouldn't, until I next level up and see that my unlocked specs have disappeared (if I understand the nature of the bug).


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Abriael_CG wrote...

MAD BAD DAVE wrote
Achievements Gamerscore
In War, Victory
Defeated the ogre that killed King Cailan
25
Acquired 14/1/2010


Just a lil chime in before I run to do my shopping. Paint me surprised, I thought Duncan kill that ogre?


Don't ask for a spoiler on this forum-part please 8)

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Abriael_CG wrote...

MAD BAD DAVE wrote
Achievements Gamerscore
In War, Victory
Defeated the ogre that killed King Cailan
25
Acquired 14/1/2010


Just a lil chime in before I run to do my shopping. Paint me surprised, I thought Duncan kill that ogre?

And I thought this was supposed to be a forum without spoilers. Tsk tsk.