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[MprezdNZ]

Kurokenshi wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

Waaay back in the dark ages, I was the QA manager for a computer game company - long enough ago that we still released titles on 5-1/4" disks.  I'm familiar with how the development, testing, and bug fix processes work.

Dragon Age has a few bugs, yes - but they are for the most part, minor.

Getting a game to this level of quality requires a tremendous amount of work - particularly when dealing with dialog and decision trees as complex as the ones in DA.

Odds are, the development team asked for months longer to get the content done, and were told it had to release for Christmas.  They managed to finagle a few extra days on the basis that a lot of people would get the game for Christmas and wouldn't need the DLC for a little while.  They worked 20 hour days to get it done, and it looked like they might make it - and then a horrible bug reared its ugly head and shot the schedule to hell.

At this point, they had two choices.

1) Release on schedule and break everyone's game who got the DLC.

2) Delay the release until they could fix the bug.

I was as disappointed as anyone else when Return to Ostagar didn't release when expected - but you know what?  I'd rather see it late than bad.

If getting it right means it releases in February, March, or later, I'll happily wait rather than get something now that crashes the game, or screws up the story if I do "X."

Pretty much how I see it Sethan...but now we need the communication to happen, people are getting restless.

With game development ..you not only need to know your stuff with the coding, artwork..etc, you also need a good communications system, something I have been used to seeing in closed betas that I have been in.

General communications for the general public are due here ..now ..its been a couple days, and its time they did something to placate their fans.

I am sure that people will buy and will wait, long as they know that there's an end to the wait eventually.

But why hold back the PC version if it works? From what I've read on the forums so far the problem with the 360 release isn't the DLC but the Title update.

see my conspiracy theory int eh post above. It is all MS' fault

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

MprezdNZ wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...


That would be all well and good if it was the DLC itself that caused the issue and not the 360 hastily put together title update. People who have played the DLC on PC mind you, report no issues. Why people continue to stick to a strawman arguement that the DLC itself is broken just to defend a total breakdown in communication & support is beyond me at this point.

I guess I can rejoin this now

If we go back to Jan 13. MS releases ahead of schedule. Bioware see this and go oh **** - we better get the pc version out as well or they will scream blue murder. So Chris says yup we will get it out.

Then the 360 issue hits. No ideas why. All hands on deck to look at it. Pull it off xbox live. At this stage they can't release it to pc users because they don't know where the problem is. Once they determine it is the title update, they still don't release it to pc users. Why? The most logical reason is still that there is a contract with MS on simultaneous release. 

They know that there are plenty of people out there with the illegal pc download of it, and even though they may be locking threads down for talking about it, they know there is no issue. The simple fact is that whoever agreed on the (probable) simultaneous release screwed the pooch. So regardless of whether or not the pc version is fine, we won't see it until they can safely release the 360 version - unless they get some kind of agreement from MS to not enforce the contract for this dlc. 

Which is pretty much what I think both Abby and I have been saying for the most part.

[dsanchez12]

What if we already downloaded it? When I saw it on there, I jumped for it only to learn that it was faulty. Should I un-download it?

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

dsanchez12 wrote...

What if we already downloaded it? When I saw it on there, I jumped for it only to learn that it was faulty. Should I un-download it?

The title update if you're on the 360? yes. The DLC? No need unless you want to wait til they get around to rereleasing it.

[Abriael_CG]

MprezdNZ wrote...
Why? The most logical reason is still that there is a contract with MS on simultaneous release. 

They know that there are plenty of people out there with the illegal pc download of it, and even though they may be locking threads down for talking about it, they know there is no issue. The simple fact is that whoever agreed on the (probable) simultaneous release screwed the pooch. So regardless of whether or not the pc version is fine, we won't see it until they can safely release the 360 version - unless they get some kind of agreement from MS to not enforce the contract for this dlc. 

This is pretty much what i've come to thinking, and what disappoints me quite a bit.

Not that I didn't somehow expect it. When in an industry one of the major players has much deeper pockets than everyone else, everything will go downhill fast. That's pretty much the reason why, despite being an xbox user (as a necessary evil), I think Microsoft and their aggressive marketing policies are very bad news for gamers and the gaming market in general.

A couple months ago there were rumors of an hostile takeover by Microsoft on EA. If that really happened, or was successful (no one other than the involved parties really knows if an attempt happened or not), it would have really been all over. It was a very, very nightmarish day.

The only redeeming fact is that the gaming industry plays a lot on respect, and no one in the industry that doesn't work for Microsoft (and not even all of the people that work for them), really respects Microsoft. It's a small pier in front of a big tide of dollars, but better than nothing.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 17 janvier 2010 - 02:47 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Abriael_CG wrote...

MprezdNZ wrote...
Why? The most logical reason is still that there is a contract with MS on simultaneous release. 

They know that there are plenty of people out there with the illegal pc download of it, and even though they may be locking threads down for talking about it, they know there is no issue. The simple fact is that whoever agreed on the (probable) simultaneous release screwed the pooch. So regardless of whether or not the pc version is fine, we won't see it until they can safely release the 360 version - unless they get some kind of agreement from MS to not enforce the contract for this dlc. 

This is pretty much what i've come to thinking, and what disappoints me quite a bit.

Not that I didn't somehow expect it. When in an industry one of the major players has much deeper pockets than everyone else, everything will go downhill fast. That's pretty much the reason why, despite being an xbox user (as a necessary evil), I think Microsoft and their aggressive marketing policies are very bad news for gamers and the gaming market in general.

A couple months ago there were rumors of an hostile takeover by Microsoft on EA. If that really happened, or was successful (no one other than the involved parties really knows if an attempt happened or not), it would have really been all over. It was a very, very nightmarish day.

The latest rumors are Disney is very interested in EA. Which I also think would be pretty catastrophic were it to end up happening.

[MprezdNZ]

The thing is I still look at Bioware as a potential innocent party in that. I still feel it would more be an EA/MS agreement that Bioware would be bound to. I am trying to remember who at Bioware said the consoles wouldn't affect pc delivery - and I am wondering if they just had no idea it existed.



If it does exist, I think Bioware should really be pleading with MS that they be allowed to release the dlc to pc users. I don't think any 360 users would really begrudge us because it wouldn't be taking away programmers from working on the fix.

[Abriael_CG]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The latest rumors are Disney is very interested in EA. Which I also think would be pretty catastrophic were it to end up happening.

It's not as catastrophic as it seems. Disney has their tendrils in many fields that don't really pertain to entertainment for children. They are a business like any other, and would probably just let EA continue to work like they always did.

It would probably be good actually, because with Disney's deep pockets behind them, EA would have no need to accept Microsoft's bribe money anymore.

[Abriael_CG]

Fizban1Kc wrote...
There go all the MA rated games.....lol

I seriously doubt it. Purchasing a company doesn't necessarily mean rebranding it and/or changing the way it works. M rated game are a profitable business. There would be no reason for Disney to change that.

[Telendris]

Modifié par Telendris, 17 janvier 2010 - 03:09 .

[Abriael_CG]

Nice post Telendris, I commend you for your brevity

[Lucy Glitter]

Telendris wrote...

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 17 janvier 2010 - 03:14 .

[AndersB]

To Lucy_Glitter



This animation is a good metaphor representing where we are the cactus and RTO is the bush.

[MprezdNZ]

Fizban1Kc wrote...


I have to say tho, I love this game. It was THE reason i purchased the Xbox.

Not trying to start a pc v console war but why would you buy an xbox just for this game when you could have done a couple of updates to your pc to play this? 

[Angyleous]

I thought I heard something about marvel's comics pow and Disney doing something similar. Disney's attempting to take over the world! Swooping is bad, but we shall fight in the shade!

[Angyleous]

Thiiiiiiis issssss Dragonage!!!!!

[Lone hero]

Angyleous wrote...

Thiiiiiiis issssss Dragonage!!!!!

O rly?

[Gebut]

I got a EA newsletter today advertising upcoming and current games.

Pretty funny seeing Return to Ostagar listed and with the text: "You can download this expansion right now" and followed a bit down with "Release date: Out now!".

[shawn-m]

Wait a moment. . . the PC version of RtO was leaked? Did that really happen? If so, Bioware has my deepest sympathies since PC RtO sales will likely be a fraction of what they should be.

[Dr Bawbag]

MprezdNZ wrote...

Fizban1Kc wrote...


I have to say tho, I love this game. It was THE reason i purchased the Xbox.

Not trying to start a pc v console war but why would you buy an xbox just for this game when you could have done a couple of updates to your pc to play this? 

Do people not get fed up posting this ****e?  As long as you can play it on the platform of your choice why does it matter how others choose to play the game?

[flunkiman]

It's released!

[Gebut]

shawn-m wrote...

Wait a moment. . . the PC version of RtO was leaked? Did that really happen? If so, Bioware has my deepest sympathies since PC RtO sales will likely be a fraction of what they should be.

+ the delay hasn't exactly helped.

Modifié par Gebut, 17 janvier 2010 - 04:44 .