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[jedimaster52501]

AndreaDraco wrote...

Wow. What a constructive approach.

So what if RtO is released after ME? What's the big deal?

the fact the Bioware dropped the ball on this.

[halfempty77]

when upper management and programmers clash games get delayed...it's as simple as that when the EA fatcats demand a release date that is too early for proper industry testing and double/triple checking before release we all lose. why are we ****ing and fighting amongst ourselves? the plain and simple fact is that it isn't ready and there is nothing we can do but go to the fridge, grab a beer and play something else for the time being

[Marcus Ravenheart]

One time I had a puppy named pookie, he didn't last long. He was slain by a Grue sadly. This is why I need a few adventurers to go into a very large cave and slay the Grue for the honor of POOKIE!

[kayapo]

The thing I love most about gaming forums is how there is always a "very good" reason for people to vent their real life frustrations.



- The game gets released = "OMG you suck, the game sucks all is horrible and unbalanced, why didn't you take your time and test more, you just want our money, yada yada nerd rage yada yada"



- The game gets delayed = "OMG you suck, my life has lost it's meaning because of you. How dare you not fullfill my expectations to do silly things like test the game more, yada yada nerd rage yada yada"

[cybots]

my view is .. da:o is a great game   dlc or not .. but at a certain point haveing finished the game 3 times i move on to another game obviously if i had a dlc campaign i would be busy with that .but you know what ? there arev other things to do too .. and whetehr awakening is ready in march is immaterial if it is ill play it if not i wont there are other things and games to play everyone wants my attention includeing my family

[Kurokenshi]

kayapo wrote...

The thing I love most about gaming forums is how there is always a "very good" reason for people to vent their real life frustrations.

- The game gets released = "OMG you suck, the game sucks all is horrible and unbalanced, why didn't you take your time and test more, you just want our money, yada yada nerd rage yada yada"

- The game gets delayed = "OMG you suck, my life has lost it's meaning because of you. How dare you not fullfill my expectations to do silly things like test the game more, yada yada nerd rage yada yada"

Isn't that just adorable, you can type the same rehashed stuff as other people.

[J-all]

I seen today that Rto is delayed again.( Gamepressure update) So first it was this holiday season then dec 31,Jan 5,6,then xbox and pc will get it on the 16 then oh no we mean the 19 for xbox and pc and the 26 of Jan for ps3. Now its the 29th for all platforms ! ...ign says end of Jan Bioware says available soon. This is why in baseball its 3 strikes and out because this is sad. Its a 40 min. dlc!! So u thank your getting a expansion in march really really?

[statefn8603]

cybots wrote...

my view is .. da:o is a great game   dlc or not .. but at a certain point haveing finished the game 3 times i move on to another game obviously if i had a dlc campaign i would be busy with that .but you know what ? there arev other things to do too .. and whetehr awakening is ready in march is immaterial if it is ill play it if not i wont there are other things and games to play everyone wants my attention includeing my family

::agrees::

[Foreman20]

Again the problem is that those of us who have already down loaded it and play it find no problems with the DLC at all. The problem is with the patch that locked some people's specializations which can be unlocked with little effort. This is what is making some people raise an eyebrow IMO.

[beastinu]

gigantic muffin wrote...

frodius siax wrote...

how do you clear the cache?

Go to system settings.  Go to memory. Press Y (device options) and select "clear cache". That was it.
I tested it by talking to Zeveran to get the Assasin specialization to unlock. Saved right there. Turned off system, restarted and resumed game.  When I went to level up, assasin was showing unlocked for me (rogue) and also for Leliana.  Also my champion specialization showed back up that I originally lost from completing Redcliffe. So...hopefully when my my next character is ready to go level 14, they will all still be unlocked and we are good to go but based on the Zeveran test, I believe it is now working normally again.

Thanks alot! This worked perfectly

[J-all]

I think Rto was announced November 17th last year. Will someone go check on the one developer working on this dlc!!

[Sephris_Lor]

Return to Ostagar should be renamed Return to Alwaysgone, because every time I come on the DLC has been up for like 20 minutes, people have downloaded it, found out it sucked for some reason or another, and then they take it back down again. So every time I come on to see if they have finally fixed things with the DLC, I come on to see that it is, at least for me, always gone. A fitting name for the faulty program. lol

[J-all]

Masseffect 2 made it out before RtO wtf?

[AndreaDraco]

I'd like to know if this 29th release date is official or just mere speculation.

[J-all]

If u ran a restaurant would it stay in business even if u had to wait 45mins for them just 2 say it'll be another 20mins and after that well its on the way(no time given ) Then see at another that was waiting they finally got their food but then the waiter came and took their food back(somethings wrong with it) atleast the xbox did get something leaked 2 them.

[Retrovertigo187]

I don't blame Bioware employees, I blame EA management and the Bioware Executives for electing to take the $$ and sell out to them. But, whomever is at fault, this thing has gone from a minor irritation (its clearly not about the tiny piece of content at this point) to a running joke.

Everyday I pop in and think "surely they will have stopped the bleeding and released this little thing by now" but, nope not today either:)

Modifié par Retrovertigo187, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:07 .

[J-all]

I googled return to ostagar release date everyone says the29th but I dont think anyone knows even bioware.

[Abriael_CG]

Sethan_1 wrote...

Quite simply, attempting to do it themselves would give some of the people flaming Bioware here an appreciation of exactly what it takes to not just make the content, but precisely hit a release date, particularly when they are likely under a contractural agreement to release on all three platforms at once.

First of all, they have absolutely no contractual agreement to release on all three platform at once. The PS3 release has always been supposed to come later, just as much as in Europe the main game was released later on PS3. Get your facts straight, mr "I worked on games development" 

Second, what it takes does not MATTER. We're not the ones that held them at a gunpoint to set the Holidays season release date, then January the 5th, and so forth. 
Missing a release window once is a very distinct possibility in any field. Thrice? That's symptom of bad planning, horrible QA and testing. But that's STILL acceptable.
Refusing tyo give a release date and proper communication when you're already taking people's money? That's what's unacceptable and absolutely unprofessional.
They behave like giving release dates is the source of all evil, instead of them missing such release dates being the problem, which is simply backward thinking, and ridiculous.

Perhaps that might be enough - certainly expecting simple courtesy isn't.

Looks like expecting simple professionalism isn't as well? 

Incidentally, the primary reason I no longer work for a computer game company is because the company, over my objections, released a game that was horribly broken, to meet a release date.
As a result, the company eventually went out of business.

Oh, we're truly heartbroken. I'm sure that the development team had absolutely no responsibility in reaching the deadline with the game in an "horribly broken" status.  Isn't it?
A victim of a cruel dictatorial system, i'm sure... :innocent:


On a side note, Bioware, isn't it time to give us some news? This is seriously starting to hit the level of a comedic paradox.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:15 .

[awsome_robot]

wait!, how is a faulty 360 patch, EA's fault. i know EA doesn't have the best of records, but i just don't see how ea "sabotaged" a bioware patch, plus it wasn't EA that "unexpectedly" released it (rto) on the marketplace. blame it on: bioware development team, bioware certification, and/or ms certification (or the ms employees that leaked the content ahead of schedule).

[rruffo]

i heard jan 29 rto release in a couple of different articles, none of which are from BW or EA .

[Abriael_CG]

rruffo wrote...

i heard jan 29 rto release in a couple of different articles, none of which are from BW or EA .

That'd be laughable. It'd be after the release of ME2 in the US and on the same day of it's release in Europe... I can see lots of people caring :innocent:

[rruffo]

was it worth it ? Bioware to release a 60 min add-on and charge ur fans 5 bucks ! the overtime the headaches, pressure for release from distrabution and customers. all i know is this better be one Hell Of A Dlc ! or maybe they wont release these minute add-ons , release them as a collective , 3 or 4 dlc s together it would be like a mini expantion. i would pay 20 bucks for a few add-ons

[Dr Bawbag]

rruffo wrote...

was it worth it ? Bioware to release a 60 min add-on and charge ur fans 5 bucks ! the overtime the headaches, pressure for release from distrabution and customers. all i know is this better be one Hell Of A Dlc ! or maybe they wont release these minute add-ons , release them as a collective , 3 or 4 dlc s together it would be like a mini expantion. i would pay 20 bucks for a few add-ons

If anyone is expecting a 'helleva' DLC, then they're gonna be a tad underwhelmed on this occasion.

Apart from the gear, the 2nd time through was more a chore than fun tbh.

Modifié par Dr Bawbag, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:51 .

[DD_74]

First of all Let's make this simple. I have worked in software development environments before and it is difficult to get a completely bug free version of a product, especially if it is to play nice with multiple platforms. Release dates etc are usually marketing or management issues. They think that if there is no release date then people will lose interest in the game/DLC what have you and then they lose money. Missing release dates is common, especially in game development. I once worked on a project for a trading firm that was supposed to give clients RT updates of market values and monitor some trading software that was released prior to my team taking the project over.

We had to rework some poor programming on the original program before getting the new software to run properly. Problem was that we did not discover this until testing. Fortunately for us we were using the agile development model and discovered this issue relatively quickly. Bottom line is it is difficultto develop bug free software period, as we as gamers should be all to familiar with since many times we might make use of glitches in programming to power level some character. In fact there is such a glitch in DA already and the actual game took a lot of time in development.



It is a fun game. THe issues I have with DLC are these:

1) When the content is purchased and the added value is less than the purchase price. e.g. Wardens keep is not all it was hyped up to be, further after getting rid of the demons you can not go back into the building. You are promised further developments if you let the old mage continue his research, but these never come to fruition. So we are teased about potential value that does not exist and will never exist. Why bother with the dialogue then?



2) If I purchase something and it is faulty for what ever reason then at the very least I want the company to acknowledge that there were some bugs, that they are going to fix the issue and when it is fixed that I will be given the latest version free since I had already paid for it.



3) If said company is aware of a bug, and is aware of how to regain lost content for example, then the solution should be posted or easily obtainable.



4) Charging someone for something, failing to deliver a workig product and then not offering any apologies is just poor customer service. It basically says yeah we are gonna fix it but we won't tell you when it will be fixed ...... and further we ccould care less about you the customer. Face it games exist because we purchase them. If we suddenly lost interest in a particualr company because of how they treat their customers, then they ultimately go out of business.



5) The reason everyone is blaming EA is because it is their logo on the title screen. They are the parent company and the tech support number is to EA games not Bioware. It does not matter if it was Bioware's puppy, the fact is the parent of the owner of said puppy usually gets the majority of the blame.



6) This is true in most development environments: the people working on the new content or patches etc are usually not the same ones that designed the original product. This is due to the fact that most skilled programmers can work on a patch, but your lead game designers make you the real money in terms of new product i.e. games to market. So these guys are usually pulled to develop something new and shiny to sell, and some entry level hack is working on the fix for the older program. This is even more true in large production environments.



Game development is difficult. Game development is even more difficult for multiple platforms. The real issue is not the end product itself but the fact that it was released and it had bugs and these bugs went unacknowledged by the company. They failed to say we are working on it and we know you paid for it, here is your money back or something. I would not have been as upset if I had received a simple e-mail saying that we are aware of your recent purchase and it has these known issues etc..

[Abriael_CG]

Want to know what's Ironic? While Bioware lays silent, fans released a fully voiced add-in that's actually longer than RtO, and quite fun I'd add. Get it here.

Only problem with it is that you must do it before you unlock the alienage, but otherwise it's quite great for a fan-made add-in.
Give it a try, it might help with waiting for the messiah to come :innocent:

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:59 .