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I just hope BioWare realizes that this complete and utter epic fail with Return to Ostagar is not exactly doing wonders for their reputation with regards to DLC. They promised massive expansions for the first Mass Effect, and then found out that they'd made a game that didn't really support it. Then comes DA:O which has seen one DLC release at launch and then nothing but drama after that.

You guys really need to sort out your internal procedures, and communicate better. And please - please, please, PLEASE - stop delaying DLC on all platforms because you get a bug on one. I don't care which platform it is, but if it's ready, put it up, please.

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This is a really pathetic display. I bought BioWare Points yesterday because I was told, yet again, that this thing would be available. I've now spent more time reading about delays than I will spend actually playing this rather small piece of DLC.
So pathetic. XBOX360 has serious problems (my friend can't access ANY DLC unless he is constantly connected to the internet, which he isn't so the DLC doesn't work for him at all even though he purchased it and downloaded like you would any NORMAL DLC). And then the 360 finally gets a patch.... and it fixes achievements? Achievements? What kind of FUBAR prioritizing is that? Except, the patch ALSO breaks your ******* game.
Lovely. Well, I don't have a 360 version of DA, thank ******* god, so can I please get what I paid for already with this trite little trinket of a DLC that is apparently complicated enough to make your company look like it's run by total amateurs? Or is some other BioWare exec going to come here and lie to me some more today so as to extract more of my money for promised goods that simply never show up (or break your ******* game)?


Really don't think any lies have been told...if you're THAT upset..time to go punch a pillow or run around the block.

Its a game.....its not the end of the world, nobody killed your dog.   I promise. :)  They..if you read the Bioware comments at the top of this thread, have been working to fix things, patches..they pulled the dlc, which I hear was released too early by Microsoft, but don't quote me.

Things go wrong..thats how it is.   For downloading anything on the Net you need to be connected to it.  As for how consoles work..I dunno would assume the same thing?  There is a workaround for some of the things you mentioned, see above my post, others have said that there are workarounds, just takes having to do some things again I would imagine.  OR you could wait for the patch that fixes these things.


Actually Chris did say it would be made available for PC yesterday, and we've received no word on it since. I won't go so far out to call that lying but still at any rate even with the 360 title update snafu, there's no reason, or at the very least a logical reason given, why they need to sit on the PC version of the DLC. Man up and release it already and I think the majority here who are prolly playing the PC version to begin with will finally be content.

Myself I'm not upset, these things do happen, with that being said though I honestly don't think this whole situation has been handled very well at all.


I am a PC user...last time I played on a console it was for Legends of Zelda..hehe

If its not ready to be released they aren't going to release it...methinks.  Nothing about manning up or anything..far as I can see.   I DO see alot of impatience from consumers/gamers, and thats understandable, seeing that there have been a few delays since this whole thing was announced, late last year.

I do agree with you however,  perhaps the "over the holidays" announcement...should  have been delayed til January, I mean what could it have hurt, they would have had time to work on these frustrating bugs and glitches that keep happening..and we ..would have been none the wiser.

Future advice for Bioware?  *big grin*   Don't announce til its too late for anyone to complain about ANYTHING or get their panties in a twist about anything. :P

Work the whole thing out..have the QA team pronounce it a go..then release suddenly..with no fanfare LOL.

Thats the only way to manage this bunch on these forums....surprise attack hehehe

Save yourselves a massive headache ...just think, no more whines, no more I'm quitting..no more blah de blah blah. :)

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Ah, very comforting words indeed.

Edit - An important thing to remember when things like this happen is that teams are assigned to these games inside the Bioware corporation, and these teams work on each game like one of their own babies (hopefully).
While it is easy to blame the entire corporation, remember that for titles such as Mass Effect 2 etc its a different team.

Modifié par Miflett, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:31 .


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I;m a little confused as to why so many ppl are upset cuz they already purchased their points and no dlc yet lol i bought 1600 pts when i first got my game in Nov. just in case lol.That was before i new about RTO. I just like to prepared. It's not like the Points are going anywhere.And if $5 strains your pocketbook that much you prolly shouldn't have bought a $50 video game to start with lol. Just my opinion no angry comments plz XD

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Its not the fact its delayed I get that an I am glad they are making sure it works before we get it it but...For godsake stop telling us its ready , test it then announce it all this .."ITS HERE ooppsss no its not is not very professional and I doubt I will pre-pay again. I love the game but please get your act together on release dates.

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RageGT wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...
See, the best of all worlds  in a few square meters:D



Nice stuff, Abriael!
But I must say... although I only have PC and won't ever bother to have a console... I hate all the cables!!!!! :blink:


My god me too! Cables ruin my life, our house is being taken over by cables! Combine that with three cats and you have one unhappy me. Even when you try to sort them out and tie them up tightly somewhere, they will just plot their revenge and take over your house in a gruesome comeback.

And we have a computer room with like three computers and a tv, and under the tv in the livingroom there's every kind of console and machine thingies possible. I should ask the cables for freaking rent!

Anyway, ehm...oh wait, I forgot this is actually the Delayed Again: RtO thread right...sorry :)

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Delerius_Jedi wrote...

I just hope BioWare realizes that this complete and utter epic fail with Return to Ostagar is not exactly doing wonders for their reputation with regards to DLC. They promised massive expansions for the first Mass Effect, and then found out that they'd made a game that didn't really support it. Then comes DA:O which has seen one DLC release at launch and then nothing but drama after that.

You guys really need to sort out your internal procedures, and communicate better. And please - please, please, PLEASE - stop delaying DLC on all platforms because you get a bug on one. I don't care which platform it is, but if it's ready, put it up, please.


QFT  couldn't agree more.

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[quote]Abriael_CG wrote...
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Actually all leads us to believe that the real release date for RTO was today. In fact it was listed in the Microsoft site as 1/14/2009 when it appeared.
It seems quite obvious that the badly leashed microsoft server monkey inserted the wrong date in his terminal and didn't bother to doublecheck, resulting in the immediate release of the DLC because the system considered it already released.

[/quote

I only play on PC, so my comments regarding updates and software, releases  were for PC ...
For xbox  you are also at the mercy of  MS, and I have no idea how this effects things...

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Aladisa wrote...
I;m a little confused as to why so many ppl
are upset cuz they already purchased their points and no dlc yet lol i bought 1600 pts when i first got my game in Nov.


Not everyone is willing to give bioware (or anyone else) free credit with nothing to show for it. It's not a matter of straining our finances too. It's a matter of principle. 
If I pay for something, i'd like to be able to use it, that's all.


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Work the whole thing out..have the QA team pronounce it a go..then release suddenly..with no fanfare LOL.


The Gaming market doesn't work like that. Software houses need to decide release dates in advance and communicate them to distributors, retailers and providers, in order to allow them to make their own release schedules and plans. Such dates WILL leak even if bioware stays shut about them. Most of the big release announcements are leaked first by retailers.
Basically by doing as you suggested, they would see release dates leaked anyway, and would have to give up the hype building that comes from having release dates officially announced.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:34 .


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Aladisa wrote...

i bought 1600 pts when i first got my game in Nov. just in case lol.That was before i new about RTO. I just like to prepared. It's not like the Points are going anywhere


ea loves this kind of customers. they're spending money on non existing products :D

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It seems that Bioware really shouldn't do DLCs any more. After ME's lackluster DLCs and this epic failure with RtO I think they should just make games and large expansions and leave DLC making to the pros, like Bethesda. Compared to Fallout 3, ME and DA are epic failures on the DLC front.

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ea loves this kind of customers. they're spending money on non existing products :D


Every developer loves them. That's why points systems exist to begin with.

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Gabbybri wrote...

Its not the fact its delayed I get that an I am glad they are making sure it works before we get it it but...For godsake stop telling us its ready , test it then announce it all this .."ITS HERE ooppsss no its not is not very professional and I doubt I will pre-pay again. I love the game but please get your act together on release dates.

Well this i agree with quit saying its rdy and will be released lol.Wait til its actually there and then make an annoucement . any who more waiting XD la-la- dee-da! Have great day every1^^

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And you clearly have no idea to what you are talking about about games being easier to develop on consoles because you have no clue how difficult it is to optimize games to run on the ps3's cell processor. 


to optimise games to run on one type of hardware setup is one thing, to run it on thousands of possible PC setups is an entirely different thing.  Combinations of CPU GPU memory and Audio setups.  I disagree with your point on this.

SithLordExarKun wrote...

And when exactly are pc games being developed for "4-5"  operating systems? You DO realize there is only "one" operating system which is called windows? XP, vista and 7 are simply different versions of the operating system, a game that workds on one is likely to work on the others.


XP, Vista and windows 7 are actually very different.  Granted that windows 7 and vista are similar, but windows 7 is a less bulky OS than vista, but XP is nothing like vista or windows 7, not to mention the way sound is processed is very different.  Then you have 32 bit and 64 bit OSes which expand the differences even more.

SithLordExarKun wrote...

WTF are you talking about? You DO know the 360's resolution is at 720p and PCs can go to 1080I and beyond?


actually you can change the resolution on an Xbox 360, it's designed to run on an HDTV and I've run an Xbox 360 on my monitor at the non-standard resolution of 1680 x 1050

I agree with some of your points SithLordExarKun, but not all of them

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Killian Kalthorne wrote...

It seems that Bioware really shouldn't do DLCs any more. After ME's lackluster DLCs and this epic failure with RtO I think they should just make games and large expansions and leave DLC making to the pros, like Bethesda. Compared to Fallout 3, ME and DA are epic failures on the DLC front.

Love Bethesda also am playing Oblivion again while i wait for RTO XD

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Maybe the "Available this Holiday Season" Is still in effect for 2010? At this rate I wouldn't be surprised.

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EledraEldar wrote...

btw that first box under pc is age of conan?
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It is... That's not the PC by the way. The second PC is linked to the monitor in the middle (alongside with the older consoles and the Wii that's now gathering spider webs, as the blue light of abandonment shows :P). The monitor above Age of Conan is the PS3/360 dedicated one. While the two keyboards are the PS3 one (below) and the second PC one (above). It's messy like that, but it's functional :D


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Good to know, played NWNII ..all expacs etc, but was never around at the time when all the releases were happening..wasn't aware.   Thanks. :)


Actually all leads us to believe that the real release date for RTO was today. In fact it was listed in the Microsoft site as 1/14/2009 when it appeared.
It seems quite obvious that the badly leashed microsoft server monkey inserted the wrong date in his terminal and didn't bother to doublecheck, resulting in the immediate release of the DLC because the system considered it already released.


There are certain situations in the past where I have had to deal with Microsoft ...where I haven't been very happy with their services or the results.   Thats all I'll say about that!!   As to what you're saying..doesn't surprise me.

Microsoft makes in the billions every year, but in some areas they cut costs by exporting work to other countries..where English isn't commonly used, thats where problems end up happening.   Reading scripts to a customer does not pacify that customer nor does it solve that particular customer problem.     Been there done that...refuse to do it again lol.

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Abriael_CG wrote...

Every developer loves them. That's why points systems exist to begin with.


not exactly. they invented this procedure to earn extra money with all the lil points you can't spend :bandit:

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Killian Kalthorne wrote...

It seems that Bioware really shouldn't do DLCs any more. After ME's lackluster DLCs and this epic failure with RtO I think they should just make games and large expansions and leave DLC making to the pros, like Bethesda. Compared to Fallout 3, ME and DA are epic failures on the DLC front.


Now now, Bethesda's mess-ups with DLC's are beyond counting. That's really not the right example to bring.
Also, Bethesda can only be blamed for their idiotic choice to give in to Microsoft's bribe money and release exclusive DLCs (only to withdraw such exclusivity at a later time), effectively screwing up quite a slice of their customer base.
There isn't much in the gaming market worse than that.  In comparison a delay or three are nothing.

Of course the fact that bethesda's stories simply don't hold a candle to Bioware's goes beyond the point, even if it's still true.


Feraele wrote...

There are certain situations in the past
where I have had to deal with Microsoft ...where I haven't been very
happy with their services or the results.   Thats all I'll say about
that!!   As to what you're saying..doesn't surprise me.

Microsoft
makes in the billions every year, but in some areas they cut costs by
exporting work to other countries..where English isn't commonly used,
thats where problems end up happening.   Reading scripts to a customer
does not pacify that customer nor does it solve that particular
customer problem.     Been there done that...refuse to do it again
lol.


Oh, believe me, I know. :whistle:

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I posted a while ago in this thread and have seen two basic replies that may get to the heart of the problem.

1) "I just want what I paid for!" Fair enough! I do too. But, I didn't pay for a date and neither did you. If you believe you paid for a date, that is your problem, not Bioware's. You paid for a product. The fact that said product has been delayed is frustrating indeed, but it does not negate your payment of the product or the promise of said product. Again, if you believe you paid for a date, that's your problem.

2) "I just want transparency." I can certainly understand that. However, I believe you want a level of transparency that is not helpful and may even be harmful to Bioware. Do you want to know the specific problem (eg, Sten can no longer equip two handed swords)? If so, you won't get it because that opens up flaming wars and "advice" from people who think they know better. Is "transparency" code for timeframe? Maybe they do not know. Maybe they do and would open up more complaints about time not being met if that timeframe comes and goes.

Bottom line, you may be sick of people saying "What do you want from them?" and that's fine. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying: "What you want from them is unreasonable"

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Abriael_CG wrote...

Aladisa wrote...
I;m a little confused as to why so many ppl
are upset cuz they already purchased their points and no dlc yet lol i bought 1600 pts when i first got my game in Nov.


Not everyone is willing to give bioware (or anyone else) free credit with nothing to show for it. It's not a matter of straining our finances too. It's a matter of principle. 
If I pay for something, i'd like to be able to use it, that's all.


Feraele wrote...

Work the whole thing out..have the QA team pronounce it a go..then release suddenly..with no fanfare LOL.


The Gaming market doesn't work like that. Software houses need to decide release dates in advance and communicate them to distributors, retailers and providers, in order to allow them to make their own release schedules and plans. Such dates WILL leak even if bioware stays shut about them. Most of the big release announcements are leaked first by retailers.
Basically by doing as you suggested, they would see release dates leaked anyway, and would have to give up the hype building that comes from having release dates officially announced.




From my long time online gaming experience...Retailers are CLUELESS about release dates.  They always guestimate, and usually give a date, that makes people want to buy from their store first. :P

You want release dates?  Get them from the game publisher and or developpers.   

Thats been my rule of thumb...for a long time.

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It seems that Bioware really shouldn't do DLCs any more. After ME's
lackluster DLCs and this epic failure with RtO I think they should just
make games and large expansions and leave DLC making to the pros, like
Bethesda.


HA! Bethesda! Pros!?

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Actually, Fallout 3's DLCs are basically the gold standard of DLCs. Unique stories, unique environments and items and characters. Long playtimes with lots of sidequests.All quite entertaining with lots of surprises you won't see in the standard game. Compared to ME's DLC, Fallout 3 is a pretty clear winner. Compared to any game really, nothing holds a candle to Fallout 3's DLC. Bethesda did a great job in that department.
Oblivion wasn't quite as good, but they obviously learned quite well from their mistakes.

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Feraele wrote...
From my long time online gaming experience...Retailers are CLUELESS about release dates.  They always guestimate, and usually give a date, that makes people want to buy from their store first. :P

You want release dates?  Get them from the game publisher and or developpers.   

Thats been my rule of thumb...for a long time.


It really depends on the retailers. Many have to be given almost set-in-stone information, expecially the big ones (Gamestop is an example, but the most obvious ones are Microsoft and Sony, or even Steam now).

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Aladisa wrote...

i bought 1600 pts when i first got my game in Nov. just in case lol.That was before i new about RTO. I just like to prepared. It's not like the Points are going anywhere


ea loves this kind of customers. they're spending money on non existing products :D

Yeah my hubby asked why i bought them too . I told him i dunno yet but just in case LOL. Anyway i'm just one of those ppl that alwys over prepares for everything such as storms and holidays Etc. Just confuses me as to way ppl are upset that spent $5 and it's delayed wouldn't you rather have it right than rushed? When it's right you'll get your $5 worth. I'm not happy about the delay's either but i'm not gonna Have an anurism about it trying to figure it out lolPosted Image