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[Aladisa]

KCFender wrote...

Actually, Fallout 3's DLCs are basically the gold standard of DLCs. Unique stories, unique environments and items and characters. Long playtimes with lots of sidequests.All quite entertaining with lots of surprises you won't see in the standard game. Compared to ME's DLC, Fallout 3 is a pretty clear winner. Compared to any game really, nothing holds a candle to Fallout 3's DLC. Bethesda did a great job in that department.
Oblivion wasn't quite as good, but they obviously learned quite well from their mistakes.

O.k. cool Thanks i haven't played that 1 yet but i'll give it a shot XD Thanks for the info^^

[halfempty77]

at the risk of soundly like a lazy slob...any updates recently...i really don't want to read 26 pages of pc vs. console flame wars anymore

[Loerwyn]

KCFender wrote...

Actually, Fallout 3's DLCs are basically the gold standard of DLCs. Unique stories, unique environments and items and characters. Long playtimes with lots of sidequests.All quite entertaining with lots of surprises you won't see in the standard game. Compared to ME's DLC, Fallout 3 is a pretty clear winner. Compared to any game really, nothing holds a candle to Fallout 3's DLC. Bethesda did a great job in that department.
Oblivion wasn't quite as good, but they obviously learned quite well from their mistakes.

Fallout 3's DLC was disjointed and I felt it detracted from the game. Point Lookout was incredibly hard in comparison to the rest of the game, Mothership Zeta was just... trash (and it added a stupidly powerful weapon to the game. Oh, and of course it gave lots of weapons with low weight and high value). I never finished Broken Steel because I naffed up my game save. The Pitt was bearable, if not a bit disjointed. And Operation: Anchorage was just pants.

If you're talking a Play time: Price ratio, then yes Bethesda came out on top with Fallout 3's DLC. But if you're talking game quality? No, they didn't. I felt Oblivion's DLC fitted the game a lot better and it didn't feel shoehorned in. BioWare's Dragon Age DLC, to me, is very well added so far, but maybe that's because it could just be cut content.

[Gabbybri]

For me its def Not a game quality thing I have it for Pc and my other half has it for ps3 (He plays on a 62" tv and he LOVES IT) This is about giving a release date then taking it away then giving ANOTHER date ect and then wondering why so many are angry?? The customer base for this kind of thing is young people, I myself am 50 and I love the game and all the add ons ect I have had a blast and would buy more but quite honestly have you ever promised anything great to a teenager and then said oops and have them take it well?? As for myself yeah it was only $5.00 but dont keep telling me its here and its not I get aggrivated so I hate to think how many younger ones take it. Its bad for business and can and will effect your customer base in the long run.

[Abriael_CG]

KCFender wrote...

Actually, Fallout 3's DLCs are basically the gold standard of DLCs. Unique stories, unique environments and items and characters. Long playtimes with lots of sidequests.All quite entertaining with lots of surprises you won't see in the standard game. Compared to ME's DLC, Fallout 3 is a pretty clear winner. Compared to any game really, nothing holds a candle to Fallout 3's DLC. Bethesda did a great job in that department.
Oblivion wasn't quite as good, but they obviously learned quite well from their mistakes.

You forgot the lots of gamebreaking bugs found after release, and the exclusivity problem, with in my picture already puts bethesda in the hell of the greedy.
About the story, subjective. I found the whole story of fallout 3 (including DLCs, that were even worse), extremely dull. For sure not even nearly as interesting as Dragon Age or even Mass Effect (Bring down the Sky had really nothing to envy to any Fallout 3 DLC).

I'll take Bioware's delays 1000 times if i'll still be able to enjoy their great stories as opposed to Bethesda's utter boredom and absolutely flat characters.

Being bored for X hours isn't for sure better than having fun for one

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:56 .

[Romantiq]

Yeah Fallout 3 DLCs offered quite a lot of play time. Especially broken steel and Point Lookout. At the end of Warden's Keep i kind of expected to gain control over fortress but then BAM owned. Can't even re-enter keep after.

[Miflett]

I think as far as story depth goes Bethesda and Bioware are two totally different entities for reasons some might not agree with me on. For one Bioware as always been in the mode of delivering the story in a very in your face prospective where during normal course of play, you get pretty much everything there is to do. Bethesda, more specifically Fallout 3 and Oblivion, are different in this regard. During my experiences with these titles, the full picture is rarely contained within a main story playthrough. For instance, everyone loves when that weird looking building they noticed out of the corner of their eye really contains the remains of a sinister chinese communist plot hehehe.

Modifié par Miflett, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:57 .

[Abriael_CG]

halfempty77 wrote...

at the risk of soundly like a lazy slob...any updates recently...i really don't want to read 26 pages of pc vs. console flame wars anymore

if you click on the "bioware" logo under the title of the thread, it'll filter only the posts from Bioware representatives.

[Maryse.Diva]

Avoiding/running away/hiding from the problem ain't gonna help, realised that Bioware?

[Abriael_CG]

Miflett wrote...

I think as far as story depth goes Bethesda and Bioware are two totally different entities for reasons some might not agree with me on. For one Bioware as always been in the mode of delivering the story in a very in your face prospective where during normal course of play, you get pretty much everything there is to do. Bethesda, more specifically Fallout 3 and Oblivion, are different in this regard. During my experiences with these titles, the full picture is rarely contained within a main story playthrough. For instance, everyone loves when that weird looking building they noticed out of the corner of there eye really contains the remains of a sinister chinese communist plot hehehe.

A story can't survive without great characters and development of such characters. That's where Bethesda is so lacking that it isn't even funny. Their characters are basically all dull and lifeless. There's no emotional attachment to them, and that's what causes causes the story to be nothing else than a setting for mindless hack and slash.

take Oblivion. In the whole game there isn't an interesting character. They're all the same, no one of them develops any kind of real relationship between themselves or with the main character. They're just mindless entities that give you quests or that you can kill for coins. Conversation with them, in the end, is just a boring click-after-click while waiting for them to give you that damn quest so that you can move on.

Fallout 3 is a little bit better, but not nearly to the level of what I'd define even decent.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 14 janvier 2010 - 04:01 .

[halfempty77]

thanks for the tip! pretty cool... unfortunately only one post from BW and that was the first one in the thread...i guess i will read the pc vs. console lame wars after all!

[Lady Arshes Nei]

I'm wondering, since I downloaded the title already, if I delete it and wait for the new up date, will I have to pay for again and will it reset everything I've done and my lvls?

[Jafari]

Abriael_CG wrote...

KCFender wrote...

Actually, Fallout 3's DLCs are basically the gold standard of DLCs. Unique stories, unique environments and items and characters. Long playtimes with lots of sidequests.All quite entertaining with lots of surprises you won't see in the standard game. Compared to ME's DLC, Fallout 3 is a pretty clear winner. Compared to any game really, nothing holds a candle to Fallout 3's DLC. Bethesda did a great job in that department.
Oblivion wasn't quite as good, but they obviously learned quite well from their mistakes.

You forgot the lots of gamebreaking bugs found after release, and the exclusivity problem, with in my picture already puts bethesda in the hell of the greedy.
About the story, subjective. I found the whole story of fallout 3 (including DLCs, that were even worse), extremely dull. For sure not even nearly as interesting as Dragon Age or even Mass Effect (Bring down the Sky had really nothing to envy to any Fallout 3 DLC).

I'll take Bioware's delays 1000 times if i'll still be able to enjoy their great stories as opposed to Bethesda's utter boredom and absolutely flat characters.

Agreed. Mothership Zeta just ruined what Fallout is about. A post-apocalyptic world, not a shiny space ship. Wardens Keep may have been short but I enjoyed the story more than Anchorage, which crashed more times than I'd like to mention. <_<

I mean, I don't want to appear anti-Bethesda as I loved Morrowind and Oblivion, but like Abriael, I'll wait for BioWare.

Modifié par Links-2-3-4, 14 janvier 2010 - 04:01 .

[Bladen67]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

I just hope BioWare realizes that this complete and utter epic fail with Return to Ostagar is not exactly doing wonders for their reputation with regards to DLC. They promised massive expansions for the first Mass Effect, and then found out that they'd made a game that didn't really support it. Then comes DA:O which has seen one DLC release at launch and then nothing but drama after that.

You guys really need to sort out your internal procedures, and communicate better. And please - please, please, PLEASE - stop delaying DLC on all platforms because you get a bug on one. I don't care which platform it is, but if it's ready, put it up, please.

QFT  couldn't agree more.

It's really sad that possibly one of the best true RPG's to come in a long time is having this much trouble, this game is/was great...the story, everything was good.  But now I'm mad at myself for wondering for the last few weeks when i could play this, and for spending the last two day nonstop on the forums trying to find out any information.  In some sports you get three strikes and your out.  Oh well I guess i'll just go and watch them dig out bodies in Haiti, and maybe sometime it a couple of weeks between the earthquake coverage and the USA healthcare coverage (oh wait, that's being done behind closed doors) CNN will have something on their ticker about the DA:O RTO being released and maybe even working!

[Polemists05]

Have to agree with others. Fallout 3 in essence focuses more one environment expansions then story. I never felt any of the dlcs had much story other then Point Lookout. Anchorage is basically just a shoot em up in moutains, broken steel is one side quest with new toys, zeta was pointless and just gave you a spaceship area.



Now maybe since RTO is only 40 min it's not much meat, but ti does continue the story I think. I felt while Wardens Keep and Shale were not long, they each had something to add to the world that felt viable.



If you want to rule the grey wardens and run a keep tho, I'd wait till awakening.

[Gabbybri]

I loved Oblivion but Dragon age is so much better. Fallout my hubby played and he loved it but I like the rpg more than shoot em up Fallout ect. Dragon age story line and characters are so much better than Oblivion.

[Romantiq]

Check this out for now - http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=552



Someone is working on actual interior for Warden's Keep

[Aladisa]

Gabbybri wrote...

For me its def Not a game quality thing I have it for Pc and my other half has it for ps3 (He plays on a 62" tv and he LOVES IT) This is about giving a release date then taking it away then giving ANOTHER date ect and then wondering why so many are angry?? The customer base for this kind of thing is young people, I myself am 50 and I love the game and all the add ons ect I have had a blast and would buy more but quite honestly have you ever promised anything great to a teenager and then said oops and have them take it well?? As for myself yeah it was only $5.00 but dont keep telling me its here and its not I get aggrivated so I hate to think how many younger ones take it. Its bad for business and can and will effect your customer base in the long run.

Well yeah i ge that i mean they say 3rd time is the charm lol and seing as this is the 3rd time they got my hopes up on this i'm just gonna go on as if this DLC doesn't exisist until 1 day i actually see it o downloadable content list although the forums have been very entertaining lol

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

halfempty77 wrote...

thanks for the tip! pretty cool... unfortunately only one post from BW and that was the first one in the thread...i guess i will read the pc vs. console lame wars after all!

Sadly that IS the only update till this point (unless a dev posts whilst am writing this).

Non-Bioware staff moderators can't really 'confirm' anything to us.

[TearsoftheForest]

well I think the delay just goes to show they don't just toss it out half assed. They care enough to make sure its working the way it should and that we'll enjoy it. I'm just doing other quests in the mean time and tying up loose ends.

[Abriael_CG]

In the end Bethesda's RPGs have one big, irrimediable flaw. They give you no companions. You're just a soloer running around a barren landscape with no one to call friend.

It's not random that I was one of the most active companion-makers for Oblivion, but even after populating the whole empire with literally hundreds of recruitable companions, they were still extremely limited in the interaction they offered. That's the true weak point in Bethesda's stories. It's the same for books and movies. When the hero is completely alone, the story gets dull and repeatitive.

Also, the lack of any believable romance is appalling. In the end, let's be realistic. Bethesda's RPGs are little more than FPSs with levels.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 14 janvier 2010 - 04:10 .

[Aladisa]

Gabbybri wrote...

I loved Oblivion but Dragon age is so much better. Fallout my hubby played and he loved it but I like the rpg more than shoot em up Fallout ect. Dragon age story line and characters are so much better than Oblivion.

I agree completely i love DA:O absolutely but also nice to revisit the oldies sometimes  LOL that what i tell my kids too (me being the oldie in that case LOL)