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[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Cross1280 wrote...

Ok, Lets "assume" that they do not know what is wrong with the Xbox release yet, so therefore they do not know if this bug is in the other versions or not. Now they could 1 hold back all 3 versions while they try to find the problem and verify that it is not in the other two versions then release them while working on a fix for the Xbox, or 2 they could "assume" that the PC version is good to go and release it and risk the same problem showing up on PC's or a worse problem showing up that is currupting your Hard drive. " an issue some people with 360's who did download and play the content are having."

Which senerio would you rather have?

My former boss always said when you "assume" you make an **** out of U and ME, and are about to create the mother of all F**k up's.

So there's not one team member at bioware, whos worked either on the PC version of RTO or QA that can fire up the pc version, with a level 14 character, play through the hour long content and see if it works as advertised? Really? Noone working on the post release content knows the status of the PC build or the PS3 build? I'm sorry if I find this really hard to believe.

[jedimaster52501]

wow, people are never happy, i make a great idea and yet none of you can agree with me on a simple solution, i am at a loss for words.

[vonFurious]

MerinTB wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry folks. Until we get the information straight for all versions, I am not going to piece-meal out bits and bots. I know you are all waiting on updates for all 3 platforms and when I can confirm things for you, I will.

It seems to infuriate some of you that I post here without giving you details, and I am sorry for that too. I want you to know that we have not forgotten about you or these issues. We are working on things and will update you as soon as we have details. While it is not yet enough information, I believe it is better to know we are still listening and working  rather than being ignored and left in the dark.

People will probably complain regardless, as you well know.
I think you are doing the right thing letting everyone know that you are paying attention and information will be shared when it is ready.

That doesn't mean I'm not frustrated, but honestly, who isn't at this point?

Me, with my Ps3!  Release date= disappointments .

[sofly]

Lol, I definitely got duped this morning when I saw on Gamespot the DLC was released. I didn't even finish reading, I just got my BioWare points.



I tend to jump the gun a bit.

[jedimaster52501]

HyperLimited wrote...

jedimaster52501 wrote...

HyperLimited wrote...

jedimaster52501 wrote...

HyperLimited wrote...

jedimaster52501 wrote...

i know the higher ups are still working on the issues at hand, here is a suggestion, why not just put RtO on the Awakening Disc for all 3 versions of the game, it will save us all a hassle and it will give you guys more time to get all the bugs worked out, it is a win win in my opinion, who agrees with me on this?

No...Just, no.

why not, i think it is a wonderful idea and like i said, it will give Bioware more time to get all the bugs worked on, i am all for it. i would rather wait a couple more months to play RtO bug free then to play it now and get more bugs and want to throw something at the game.

but think, you could use the points for something else and get the RtO for free, think about that?

There really isn't anything else to do with those points except download RTO. All in all, it would just make RTO look even worse for Bioware holding off it's release even longer than what's happening now.

things are bad, but putting it on the Awakening Disc is till a good idea for those tired of dealing with all the issues the DLC has been causing everyone.

[HyperLimited]

jedimaster52501 wrote...

wow, people are never happy, i make a great idea and yet none of you can agree with me on a simple solution, i am at a loss for words.

Can't always have it your way.

[bconk55]

Abriael_CG wrote...

bconk55 wrote...
Honestly, it could be any of the things you listed. More importantly, however, releasing the PC version at the moment would take resources that are more likely than not tied up in both the Xbox bug

And that would be quite a problem.
1: they should have (and probably DO have) different teams working on different versions of the game. It'd be madness otherwise. I highly doubt that a PC coder is that freely interchangeable with an Xbox 360 coder, as similar the systems may be, the architecture is still different.
2: There's absolutely no reason in heaven or hell for one bugged platform to hold back all the other platforms. It's like saying "pissing off everyone is better than pissing off just a part of the customer base". IF the PC version is ready then it's release should be priority, expecially in the light of yesterday's announcement that misled people into purchasing the points for the DLC. IF it's not, then they should just clearly state so.  If they don't know, again they should clearly state so. "generic" announcement are the worst enemies in damage control situations.

I agree, they probably have different teams that work on coding, but who is to say what the situation is. Maybe there is a bottleneck where those teams merge. Maybe that would involve calling more people into work, when they probably have already done that for the xbox team. Maybe, and not surprisingly, there ARE still issues to be worked out on the PC version. There really was no indication that it was ready yesterday, after all, only that they were scrambling to make it so.

And yes, there is a reason, and it's the one that was just described. If resources are limited, a critical bug is likely worth more to them than pushing out a 30minute DLC that wasn't ready to begin with and has been giving them enough trouble to delay two other times already. Bioware has also probably been in the gaming business long enough to know that the people who are throwing a fit on the boards right now are also the customers they are least likely to lose over this situation. The protest only shows how much these people want this product, as opposed to the casual Xbox user who turns on his system, finds out the game has yet another bug, and tosses it up on Ebay.

[AndreaDraco]

glenboy24 wrote...

Though it would seem there are a great many forum goers who are all too happy to justify thier malcontent for a majority of reasons, it is still comforting to see the occasional forum member who can be compasionate and understanding towards Bioware and the Devs right now. To the later, I thank you.

Having worked in a Publishing House for several years I am all too familiar with the stress that can come with having a highly anticipated release go off plan, and the backlash that can result towards either the Author or the Publisher. As such, I shall maintain my stance of patience as Bioware continues to sort out the hows and whys and see this issue resolved.

Though, at this juncture, it seems rather pointless to ask for calm to those adamant about thier specific version being released (PC, PS3, etc) I must none the less ask that forum posters attempt to keep this thread from becomming a Flame War. No one wants to see the communication from Chris or the other Community Mods cease due to the thread being closed or frustration getting the better of the Community Managers. As par the course, I think everyone just needs to go on with their respective lives, for now, and simply keep an extra eye open for any additional news or updates.  My thanks to the Community Mods for the recent posts.

While I generally agree with you about being supportive and understanding toward BioWare, part of me is severely pissed off by the fact that, over in the Spoiler section of the forums, people are talking about RtO, its plot and twists and so on. Whether this (the unexpected release of RtO for Xbox) was a mistake or not, it is disparaging and, while I don't blame BioWare, I found this iniquity, for lack of a better word, off-putting and I would like to know something about when I could expect to enjoy this DLC. Of course my life goes on, and I'm not crying over RtO being delayed again, but you must admit that the situation is becoming surreal.

[jedimaster52501]

HyperLimited wrote...

jedimaster52501 wrote...

wow, people are never happy, i make a great idea and yet none of you can agree with me on a simple solution, i am at a loss for words.

Can't always have it your way.

it is pointless to debate the issue with you, i like my idea and i am sticking with it.

[EsstheSeeker]

Bioware has also probably been in the gaming business long enough to know that the people who are throwing a fit on the boards right now are also the customers they are least likely to lose over this situation. The protest only shows how much these people want this product, as opposed to the casual Xbox user who turns on his system, finds out the game has yet another bug, and tosses it up on Ebay.

[/quote]

Thank you. I have been waiting for someone to let on that all this complaining shows interest and that BW has nothing to fear from this. BW is a good bunch of people with their wits about them, they aren't worried over this.

[Eurypterid]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

So there's not one team member at bioware, whos worked either on the PC version of RTO or QA that can fire up the pc version, with a level 14 character, play through the hour long content and see if it works as advertised? Really? Noone working on the post release content knows the status of the PC build or the PS3 build? I'm sorry if I find this really hard to believe.

This is the problem with assumptions. We don't know what the problem is, so assuming anything about it is pointless. For every scenario someone will come up with to explain the delay, someone else will come up with a counter argument. Until we know exactly what is going on, this line of speculation has little value.

[halfempty77]

all of the haters out there need to go and adopt a kitten...can't be mad when they purr...i think i'll go play with mine...

[xandrolar]

What people need to reember as well is that for a bug to happen then its something that has been written into the code that is not working correctly with another part of the code, that means they have to go right back to the start and tripple check all lines of coding until they find the part that is causing the bug in the 1st place. There can be millions of lines of coding, and the coding will be different for each platform. I have bought my bioware points but i am willing to wait to get hold of the new content as i can be sure its not bugged.

[Abriael_CG]

bconk55 wrote...

I agree, they probably have different teams that work on coding, but who is to say what the situation is. Maybe there is a bottleneck where those teams merge. Maybe that would involve calling more people into work, when they probably have already done that for the xbox team. Maybe, and not surprisingly, there ARE still issues to be worked out on the PC version.

Again this case falls into the "it only takes saying so".

There really was no indication that it was ready yesterday, after all, only that they were scrambling to make it so.

"Will be released later today" is quite an indication that either it's ready or it's ready enough to need only a few hours of polishing. No software developer without a few gallons of alchool in his blood would say that unless they're really really really near.

And yes, there is a reason, and it's the one that was just described. If resources are limited, a critical bug is likely worth more to them than pushing out a 30minute DLC that wasn't ready to begin with and has been giving them enough trouble to delay two other times already. Bioware has also probably been in the gaming business long enough to know that the people who are throwing a fit on the boards right now are also the customers they are least likely to lose over this situation. The protest only shows how much these people want this product, as opposed to the casual Xbox user who turns on his system, finds out the game has yet another bug, and tosses it up on Ebay.

If the PC version is in the same state as it was announced yesterday (which is a "later today" away from release) then no. A critical (or not) bug requires quite a lot of time to be adressed, expecially because after solving it it still needs to be extensively playtested to make sure it doesn't cause further issues.
Between releasing the PC version "later today" and then getting to work on the 360 version (with only a "later today" delay), and getting to work on the 360 version and THEN releasing the PC version, making everyone wait for the bug fixing AND the playtesting, which probably will take several days, it's pretty obvious what would make more people happy.
Of course, if the PC version is in a different state than what was announced yesterday, again, it only takes saying so.

Eurypterid wrote...

This is the problem with
assumptions. We don't know what the problem is, so assuming anything
about it is pointless. For every scenario someone will come up with to
explain the delay, someone else will come up with a counter argument.
Until we know exactly what is going on, this line of speculation has
little value.

And that's why actually telling us what's happening would be the right way to deal with this problem

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 14 janvier 2010 - 06:46 .

[EsstheSeeker]

 Until we know exactly what is going on, this line of speculation has little value.

[/quote]

Never underestimate JUST how little value some people's time has. I just spent more time reading a forum topic than I would actually playing the DLC.

[jedimaster52501]

[quote]EsstheSeeker wrote...



Bioware has also probably been in the gaming business long enough to know that the people who are throwing a fit on the boards right now are also the customers they are least likely to lose over this situation. The protest only shows how much these people want this product, as opposed to the casual Xbox user who turns on his system, finds out the game has yet another bug, and tosses it up on Ebay.

[/quote]

Thank you. I have been waiting for someone to let on that all this complaining shows interest and that BW has nothing to fear from this. BW is a good bunch of people with their wits about them, they aren't worried over this.

[/quote]
ebay is evil, i would never do that to a great game like DAO, or any Bioware game i own, like KOTOR and Mass Effect, this issue is not hindering my plans on getting ME2, a game that i know will be great, i just wish the bugs with this game would get fixed soon, i still have 3 characters to work on.

[balgrove]

***edit*** Sigh. Some folks won't listen.

Modifié par Eurypterid, 14 janvier 2010 - 06:50 .

[II Enix II]

balgrove wrote...

i go get it from the torrnet places

I'm pretty sure you've said this like 10 times, nobody cares about your torrent sites you moron.

[jedimaster52501]

halfempty77 wrote...

all of the haters out there need to go and adopt a kitten...can't be mad when they purr...i think i'll go play with mine...

i will still yell at my dog, it is much more fun.

[HyperLimited]

halfempty77 wrote...

all of the haters out there need to go and adopt a kitten...can't be mad when they purr...i think i'll go play with mine...

That is the best idea I've ever heard from anyone in this thread.

[PhoenixFyre]

bluecuban wrote...

Why can't everyone just be satisfied they are at work actually trying to solve the problem?

I understand people on PC being upset over spending the points ahead of time, but you at least know it is in fact coming. There are some on Xbox who already downloaded the patch, and it corrupted their save games. What if that can't be fixed? Contrary to some false belief, clearing the cache does not always fix the problem.

Chris is posting, what more do you want? You want play-by-play details on what they're doing to find the problem and fix it? You don't work at BioWare, they do, so let them do their jobs for goodness sake.

At least there are some people on this forum posting who are actually grateful to know the problem is being worked on, and not parading some silly PC vs. Xbox argument.

Welcome to the 'Fast-Food' Generation. Most want is Now and Done!  No Patience or Understanding for mistakes or that fact that not everything is the same.
That along with the “It not going to happen to me” attitude as if their PC/PS3/XBOX is identical to the Beta/Test systems that BioWare are programming and running these games on (which unless you bought one of their cast-off or work for them, I seriously doubt)
I’m East Coast, USA, I downloaded it as soon as I saw it was up, I am ‘infected’ with the problem and I am patiently waiting for the repair patch. I’ve dealt with similar issues in other games (Fallout 3 for one) and it gets fixed in the end.
I have more than one game to play and I can also play the characters ‘between’ Specialties.
Oh and I like Chris's Devil Smiley!!!  Thou I'm more a Pirate Smile kinda guy, but they don't have that one here like other sites.

[EsstheSeeker]

[quote]jedimaster52501 wrote...

[quote]EsstheSeeker wrote...



Bioware has also probably been in the gaming business long enough to know that the people who are throwing a fit on the boards right now are also the customers they are least likely to lose over this situation. The protest only shows how much these people want this product, as opposed to the casual Xbox user who turns on his system, finds out the game has yet another bug, and tosses it up on Ebay.

[/quote]

Thank you. I have been waiting for someone to let on that all this complaining shows interest and that BW has nothing to fear from this. BW is a good bunch of people with their wits about them, they aren't worried over this.

[/quote]
ebay is evil, i would never do that to a great game like DAO, or any Bioware game i own, like KOTOR and Mass Effect, this issue is not hindering my plans on getting ME2, a game that i know will be great, i just wish the bugs with this game would get fixed soon, i still have 3 characters to work on.[/quote]

Despite the non-agressive "let the dlc go for a few months" policy you have, I think this means we think alike.

[bluecuban]

Abriael_CG wrote...

BardKesnit wrote...

Except you were complaining above about the fact BW has delayed RTO several times already. I suspect if Chris came back 1 hour from now and said the PC and PS3 RTOs were on indefiniate hold, you would be complaining about that.

1: Indefinite hold is never a good idea. That's what planning is for.
2: Transparent information is always better than "we'll let you know when we'll let you know". People would just leave the forum be and go do something else instead of continuing to check in hope for new information.

360 games are BROKEN. All existing saves are GLITCHED AND CANNOT BE FIXED. That is far and away a larger problem than some (short) DLC being delayed.

Now now, You CAN play, and can re-unlock specializations. So no, you're clearly exaggerating the issue here. It's not "BROKEN" (in all caps too). If you don't want to play like that it's your choice, but you can.

Actually, it is broken.  Even if you unlock a specialization, it relocks the moment you exit the game, even if you save.  And those save files that were made after unlocking a specialization?  Yes, they too have them all locked, even if the manuals have been purchased, and the party members taught it to you.

The game is very much broken for Xbox users who already played with the patch downloaded.

[JaymesGaGa]

Ya'll been trolled, mmm hmmm.

[jedimaster52501]

balgrove wrote...

i go get it from the torrnet places

wow, go away, your torrent sites are giving you viruses, your PC is about to crash, have fun trying to fix it.