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[NYHoustonman]

DoctorPringles wrote...

NYHoustonman wrote...

I love Bioware, but how do these game-breaking bugs keep making it through so late in development? Granted, I'm an engineer, not a scientist, but one would think these things should not be so hard to diagnose ahead of time.
This entire thing is bordering on ridiculous at this point. Saw the threads this morning and thought maybe I'd have some RtO action on PC when I got home... NOPE!

EDIT- Double Post. This forum is pitiful.

Being an engineer, you work with hardware which normally has some sort of visual identifier that lets you know when something isn't going right. With programming, it's more complicated than that. There are plenty of errors that can go unnoticed well after release, such is the problem with programming. You can input a line of code that the software can read perfectly well, but does the exact opposite of what you intended, and you may not notice it until a customer is calling complaining because their timed oven confuses 5 minutes for 50. I imagine such is the case here. A user-created glitch in the code that created potentially game-breaking bugs, like the bug that was found on the 360. Best we can do is wait until the developers fix it, and are content with the quality of their product. I trust their judgment well above Microsoft's marketing team.

I suppose I don't know enough about the situation to judge, but if this glitch 'breaks' specializations... One would think that this should be very easy to see in testing? That would be my beef... For sure, I hate programming, and from what experience I have you occasionally run into bugs that are a nightmare to find/debug, but if this happens with any kind of significant percentage of installations, IMHO it should have been caught before release.

[Gebut]

errant_knight wrote...

Anyone who's seen the news today and has an ounce of perspective.... This isn't very serious, folks.

I couldnt agree more, but at the same time...
If everyone used that line when they messed something up at work, things would get very....
unproductive in the long run.

Modifié par Gebut, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:52 .

[Survivor Coach]

Question about Achievement update. I understand that simply getting the update should fix the DLC achievements, but like a few others it didn't do that for me. I have read the rumors that you should recover your GamerTag, then log in to DA servers, and it will work. To Bioware Moderators: is this accurate? I am in a strange situation where two nights ago I deleted most of my game saves, as I received the "Save Game Corruption" message. All these saves had completed Warden's Keep (which were the 2 glitched ones for me), so according to my game data, I will not have completed the DLC areas. My new character is almost at the point where I can complete these areas, and I am curious as to whether I should just complete them, or recover GT then complete them, or whatever. Given the amount of issues I and others like me have encountered, I am hesitant to try something that has not been officially discussed, as I do not want further issues (so far I have run into glitched DLC achievements, save game corruption, and the most recent locked specializations). To end on a positive note, it speaks volumes about how good a product you have created when in light of all of this, I shrugged my shoulders and was excited to start a new character.

[tonydizzle]

Lohe wrote...

@ abrigail: i would edit my post with every offense against ms. you dont know for sure it was ms fault. or do you know as a pc gamer using their operating systems? If so: Provide a link with a official MS-statement. Thanks.

Dang I don't think I've ever heard/read anyone defending MS with such determination. I lol'd at your posts, chill out already...

I just can't understand how people can't understand that things happen. I can't imagine how things are on the other side. It's not like everyone involved in the development of this DLC is sitting around on their hands not doing anything. I'm sure whatever can be done is being done.

[sloanesky]

NYHoustonman wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Anyone who's seen the news today and has an ounce of perspective.... This isn't very serious, folks.

There are people who are overreacting, but for those of us who care about PC Gaming - the industry as a whole - IMO this situation just crossed a line where I'm not quite as ready to let it slide as I was in December. ESPECIALLY if this has anything to do with any console release.
And from a professional perspective, Bioware hasn't done anything right with this release. I still respect them greatly, but these things SHOULD NOT happen (at least, not multiple times) if people adhere to the standards of their profession.

I agree with you the delays are unfortunate, but I think you are blowing things out of proportion. I think Bioware should adopt the approach Blizzard uses and not give specific release dates until they are absolutely sure they will make them. Some people (and I'm by no means referring to you NYHoustonman)  feel betrayed or somehow wronged when something unexpected causes a delay in the release, and you get the reaction you saw today (and even worse on the 5th) on the forums.

Modifié par sloanesky, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:54 .

[seventy6pro]

tonydizzle wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Anyone who's seen the news today and has an ounce of perspective.... This isn't very serious, folks.

Quite right, but people want what they want when they want it and they are OWED that right? I mean I know I can't stand when things don't go EXACTLY how I want them to, that is not how the world works... EVERYTHING is supposed to go the way we want right? (hope people catch the sarcasm there...)

I get that a lot of people are over-the-top annoyed here, but is it totally unreasonable to be just a little bit miffed about it? I figured that after the last time, there was NO WAY that Bioware would say it'd be out later today if it wasn't going to be out. I'm not freaking out, I was just really keyed up about getting it tonight and I don't think that's out-of-line.

[Xerxes52]

akeso wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...
Besides, I got... Army of Two: The 40th Day to play right now.

Actually it's better than I thought it would be (I assumed it would suck), but it's actually pretty good.

Not even close to DAO though.

[DoctorPringles]

Problem is, Houston, from what I hear the bug doesn't take place until after you're done with the DLC -and- after you level. It could have been that the testers simply didn't fulfill both of those criteria. I imagine they stopped testing as soon as they got out of the DLC. After all, what need was there to play past the DLC into the regular game, which had already been tested well before the add-on.



Or, perhaps, there's a different bug altogether affecting the PC version that we don't know about yet. Without more information, we can do nothing but either accept that the devs are working on it, or talk about how much we hate Bioware for "letting us down".

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Fexelea wrote...

Abriael I agree, however they probably have signed agreements about release dates that force the developer to do it simultaneously. It is not M$'s fault that the developer has problems with the platform, therefore the dev has nowhere to back up releasing on other platforms.
They might sort something out if they renegotiate, but I doubt what is "fair" to the users of other platforms will be the end result.

Like Microsoft has any control over release... I'm sure Bioware/EA set the time and if MS doesn't like it then they just won't release the DLC on their platform. (And then Microsoft has to explain to enraged 360 owners why)

Bioware is likely the one pushing for a simultaneous release to try and please everyone and Microsoft jumped the gun to have "exclusive" access. (Guess they didn't like the idea of waiting for the PS3 version to be ready too?)

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Clearing the cache gets rid of the update, but does not re-unlock the specialization classes.

[NYHoustonman]

DoctorPringles wrote...

Problem is, Houston, from what I hear the bug doesn't take place until after you're done with the DLC -and- after you level. It could have been that the testers simply didn't fulfill both of those criteria. I imagine they stopped testing as soon as they got out of the DLC. After all, what need was there to play past the DLC into the regular game, which had already been tested well before the add-on.

Or, perhaps, there's a different bug altogether affecting the PC version that we don't know about yet. Without more information, we can do nothing but either accept that the devs are working on it, or talk about how much we hate Bioware for "letting us down".

True enough. I guess I'm just dissappointed, got out of class and was thinking I'd come home to more Dragon Age XD.

[Abriael_CG]

Fexelea wrote...

Abriael I agree, however they probably have signed agreements about release dates that force the developer to do it simultaneously. It is not M$'s fault that the developer has problems with the platform, therefore the dev has nowhere to back up releasing on other platforms.
They might sort something out if they renegotiate, but I doubt what is "fair" to the users of other platforms will be the end result.

Today Microsoft released RTO when they were not supposed to. (It was supposed to be released tomorrow)
That by itself I have no doubt is a serious contract breach, and honestly I hope that Bioware will make them pay dearly for that.

If they didn't pull the trigger prematurely, Bioware would have released the content simultaneously on PC, and tomorrow everyone would have had RTO to enjoy. Maybe the 360 content update bug would have made it past today, maybe someone at Bioware would have noticed it and corrected it, we can't know. What we know is that Microsoft was NOT supposed to release RTO but they didn't anyway, breaching the release contract and Bioware's trust.

I can easily imagine that some shady guy at microsoft could have the guts to still try and pull whatever simultaneous release deal they have to get every other version of the DLC delayed, but I firmly believe that, given that Microsoft breached the deal by releasing prematurily, Bioware has full rights to leave them in the dust until the rest of their customers (many of which, like me, already paid), are serviced.

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Like Microsoft has any control over
release... I'm sure Bioware/EA set the time and if MS doesn't like it
then they just won't release the DLC on their platform. (And then
Microsoft has to explain to enraged 360 owners why)

Not really. Microsoft has full control over the Xbox Live servers, whatever gets available or pulled from the servers is exclusively controlled by Microsoft. What Bioware does is simply sending them the content and telling them "it's to be released on date X".

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:59 .

[Hallation]

For those that have played it -- what did you think? I hope this doesn't sound totally obnoxious, but I was a bit underwhelmed. I think my hopes (if not my expectations) were too high. The Stone Prisoner was just so well done.

[aragfore03]

I think it's simpler. The title update was supposed to be tied to RtO. I'm guessing when the patch was put up RtO was put up in error. I doubt there was anything about exclusivity.

[DoctorPringles]

You're not alone, no doubt about that. I was strongly looking forward to finding out what happened to Duncan, and what the story was with Cailan and how awesome his armor would look on my character. Still, though, it's nothing terribly serious, and nothing that won't be solved within a week, I'm sure.


Also, I'd like to remind people that, legally, none of you who purchased Bioware points have purchased the DLC, so there is no breach of contract or anything to entitle you to the DLC. All you've purchased is a form of currency used to obtain content online. It's the same as buying a gift card at Gamestop.

Modifié par DoctorPringles, 14 janvier 2010 - 04:00 .

[Solid Jedi]

NYHoustonman wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Anyone who's seen the news today and has an ounce of perspective.... This isn't very serious, folks.

There are people who are overreacting, but for those of us who care about PC Gaming - the industry as a whole - IMO this situation just crossed a line where I'm not quite as ready to let it slide as I was in December. ESPECIALLY if this has anything to do with any console release.
And from a professional perspective, Bioware hasn't done anything right with this release. I still respect them greatly, but these things SHOULD NOT happen (at least, not multiple times) if people adhere to the standards of their profession.

I work in the video game industry (level design) actually, and compare to the estimated 100k deaths in the Haiti earthquake, this is not important at all. I think thats what errant_knight was talking about (pardon me if this is not so). There are more importants events by far happening in the world today.

[Majordribble]

Abriael_CG wrote...

I will be honest. While I'm sympathetic towards Bioware for all the problems they're going through, as a PC user i'm very, VERY miffed.

As a multi-platform (PC, Xbox360, PS3 and Wii) gamer I've been tired for years of Microsoft's screwups and "aggressive marketing" in the gaming market that only managed to damage the gamers as a whole (exclusive DLC crap, platform-exclusive games turning into multiplatforms with a general lowering in quality and all that).

Now, microsoft has pulled out another of their screwups and I really hope PC and PS3 owners won't have to suffer a further delay because Bioware might decide that solving the 360 issue is a priority over releasing RTO on other platforms to please Microsoft and have a "simultaneous release".
Personally I think now the priority should be getting RTO released on PC and PS3, since obviously from what Bioware stated through the day, the issue doesn't affect other platforms.

Also, as a customer that, due to Bioware announcement today, already bought the points and basicaly paid to RtO without anything to show for it, I would really appreciate (IE: really, really), an official announcement that lets us know the exact release date for the PC version of Return to Ostagar, and i'm really hopeful that such release will not be beyond tomorrow, January the 14th.
We waited enough, and at least I, would not be happy at all to wait because of the usual guy at microsoft that puls a trigger when he's not supposed to (it's not the first time that it happens).
I'm sorry, but "we will post an announcement when we have further info" doesn't cut it anymore. At least not for me.

I'm truly sorry if this post sounds demanding, and if you look at my previous posts, I have been so far nothing short than supportive during this whole ordeal. But too much is too much. I'm tired and I've been led to believe that the content was to be released today, and paid my dues. Please communicate with us and don't disappoint us further. I'm sure everyone is sympathetic with the xbox360 userbase, but there's absolutely no logical reason for a localized issue on their system to withold the product for everyone of us.

Have you considered this is not just a XBOX 360 Problem and that if they release it for the PC now it will have this same game breaking bug?  I wouldn't be suprised if that is the case.  I am pretty sure that is the reason they are making the PS3 & PC players wait.

So fixing this bug should be a priority over releasing a badly bugged DLC.

Modifié par Majordribble, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:59 .

[saizetsu]

the way you said that update RtO is out .-. or was it just showing up on Xbox live?

[Ferocious7]

I don't know why everyone is saying it's Microsoft's fault... a regular forum dweller started that rumor, Bioware never stated that nor even hinted at it.



It doesn't matter who's fault it is... this stuff happens. Yesterday no one even knew that it would be released within the next few days, so what's with all the fuss? I have about 8 playthroughs on this game.. .I like this game as much as any of you.. but both Microsoft and Bioware have done AMAZING things for Video Games. If you think otherwise, you really are blind. It's not some huge conspiracy theory.... something slipped up with the update...... it happens. There are more malpractice lawsuits and cases seniors being abused in nursing homes than there are issues like this with Bioware and Microsoft.



As someone else in this thread stated.. .I play on all platforms. I have a gaming desktop, a gaming laptop (both which can run Crysis on highest), an XBox 360, a PS3, and a Nintendo Wii (as well as a DS Lite and a PSP).



I am a fan of video games in general and when a company does great things for the industry.. I give props where props is due. Bioware restored my interest in RPG's.... Microsoft revolutionized socializing through gaming way beyond that of what the PC has.



For example.. when I play FPS games with or against people from other nations... usually the lag is bad due to the server.. meanwhile I have a fiber optic connection and don't use wifi for the most part for gaming until they are all N-router compatible.



However, if I hop on XBox Live really late or really early depending on how you look at it.... there are people who literally are on the otherside of the world and the pings are just fine. That is nothing short of amazing.



Microsoft isn't evil. Neither is Bioware for being late with this DLC. Both companies deserve props for doing what they have for the gaming industry.



Go do something to keep occupied and when it's up and running for whatever system you prefer to play Dragon Age: Origins on... then download and play it when you have the free time. Complaining about it and saying stuff like "they shouldn't give release dates" is just ridiculous..... everyone practically begs and harasses the staff for release dates, imagine if they didn't give any? LOL



Not only this, but they are working on the expansion pack as well as Mass Effect 2..... probably other things as well I am sure. It will be out soon enough, just relax yourselves.

[tonydizzle]

seventy6pro wrote...

tonydizzle wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Anyone who's seen the news today and has an ounce of perspective.... This isn't very serious, folks.

Quite right, but people want what they want when they want it and they are OWED that right? I mean I know I can't stand when things don't go EXACTLY how I want them to, that is not how the world works... EVERYTHING is supposed to go the way we want right? (hope people catch the sarcasm there...)

I get that a lot of people are over-the-top annoyed here, but is it totally unreasonable to be just a little bit miffed about it? I figured that after the last time, there was NO WAY that Bioware would say it'd be out later today if it wasn't going to be out. I'm not freaking out, I was just really keyed up about getting it tonight and I don't think that's out-of-line.

You're missing my point. Things happen. Everyone just needs to understand that. This is why some companies do NOT tell customers when updates/new content will be available. If BW had just told us it would be coming out at some point in the near future and never given any specific dates, many fewer people would be complaining that it was delayed more because they would never have know when it was actually supposed to come out. BW just needs to stop giving dates/close approximations (later today). I am fine seeing those and not taking them as 100% matter-of-fact, but obviously a lot of people aren't...

[Lohe]

tonydizzle wrote...

Lohe wrote...

@ abrigail: i would edit my post with every offense against ms. you dont know for sure it was ms fault. or do you know as a pc gamer using their operating systems? If so: Provide a link with a official MS-statement. Thanks.

Dang I don't think I've ever heard/read anyone defending MS with such determination. I lol'd at your posts, chill out already...

yeah, hello pc user. how are you?

[addiction21]

Ferocious7 wrote...

I don't know why everyone is saying it's Microsoft's fault... a regular forum dweller started that rumor, Bioware never stated that nor even hinted at it.

"Return to Ostagar is now unexpectedly available for the Xbox 360."
http://social.biowar.../9/index/604603

I dunno maybe I read to much into that.

[Abriael_CG]

Majordribble wrote...
Have you considered this is not just a XBOX 360 Problem and that if they release it for the PC now it will have this same game breaking bug?  I wouldn't be suprised if that is the case.  I am pretty sure that is the reason they are making the PS3 & PC players wait.

Considering that they CLEARLY stated that "the TITLE UPDATE introduced a previously undetected issue" at the very beginning of this thread, and the other platforms have no title update, yes, i'm easily led to believe that the other platforms have no such bug. If they do, they should state it, but from what they stated so far, they don't.

So yeah, the priority should be releasing on other platforms now.
While normally i shy away from false sense of entitlement, at the moment i definitely feel entitled to clear information AND to the release of thecontent i already paid for on my platform of choice, given that such platform isn't bugged from what they said so far. I feel sorry for 360 users, but screwing everyone instead of making just them wait isn't really an ideal solution.

addiction21 wrote...
"Return to Ostagar is now unexpectedly available for the Xbox 360."
http://social.biowar.../9/index/604603
I dunno maybe I read to much into that.

This. There's no other interpretation to this that someone at microsoft screwed up and pulled the trigger when he shouldn't have.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 14 janvier 2010 - 04:08 .

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

At this rate I'm beginning to actually feel sorry for BIOWARE. That is until they get my 400 points lolz.

[RogueWriter3201]

To say today's events have been...problematic for both the fan-base and Bioware is, to say the least, an understatement. None the less, I stand with others in asking anyone who has either downloaded the Update/DLC or had been planning to do so to maintain an air of calm and patience. Given Bioware's past and present dedication to product excellence (and no, not everyone can get it just right every-time) it is clear NONE of today's events were foreseen. Aside from one having a Strong connection to the Force, I can not imagine anyone anticipating that MS (if guilty) would procede as they did this morning, leaving Bioware and the Dev/Bug team scrambling to repair a frustrating but not altogether decimating error.
As to my PC cousins, I would also beg for calm. Given that Dragon Age has been and will continue to be a PC love-heavy title it is all too certain you will have your specific DLC likely sometime within the next 24 to 48 hours. Of all parties involved I would say you have the least to worry about.
In the end, I'm sure that what Bioware, Chris, and the Devs could use right about now (aside from several massive cups of Coffee or Mountain Dew) is respect and understanding of the difficult situation they are in. Simply put, these guys have always given back to the fans one way or another. RtO and all things associated with it will be mended and set right. However, no one should expect confimations or assurances from the Dev team or Community heads if this or others threads turn into the provervial "Bioware/EA Sux" bonfires that have happened, frankly, far to often of late. To those who share my humble suggestions, thank you. Please, let us simply wait for the facts and the fixes.
 
NOTE: Apologies if this is a double post. Site is...erratic at present.