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[Verbal Earthworm]

MprezdNZ wrote...

Verbal Earthworm wrote...

the fake deadlines are getting really old now.

i understand the need to create interest in this game over the xmas period, hence the initial fake release date.

i also understand the need to create an interest in this game over the easter period, hence the announcement over the expansion.

but seriously, who do you think you are kidding?

fools like myself who were stupid enough to buy points perhaps?

There really is no evidence that they are deliberately giving us dates simply to generate interest. Problems do come up you know. 

there really is evidence that interest is being generated by these fake release dates, your own included, over 60 pages of it in this single thread alone.
i am quite aware of the the fact that problems do indeed happen, but that is as obvious as it is patronising.

Modifié par Verbal Earthworm, 15 janvier 2010 - 01:11 .

[Julian Wolf]

I do feel that gamers are whiny ****es with an overbearing sense of entitlement lately. I'd bet some devs are seriously reconsidering their career choices.

[Silensfurtim]

well, if they cant take the heat, then they better get the hell out of the kitchen.

[AlaskanHusky]

Julian Wolf wrote...

I do feel that gamers are whiny ****es with an overbearing sense of entitlement lately. I'd bet some devs are seriously reconsidering their career choices.

I hope so considering their incompetence

[TafkanX]

Wow. I can understand that everyone is a little miffed but I can't believe how much hate has been slung around this past week or so on the boards. If I didn't know any better I'd suspect that Bioware killed your dogs or something.

Edit:  In retrospect, I don't actually know any better.  I apologize in advance to anybody whose dog was, in fact, killed by Bioware and again for bringing it up.

Modifié par TafkanX, 15 janvier 2010 - 01:24 .

[Kurokenshi]

TafkanX wrote...

Wow. I can understand that everyone is a little miffed but I can't believe how much hate has been slung around this past week or so on the boards. If I didn't know any better I'd suspect that Bioware killed your dogs or something.

lol

[MprezdNZ]

Sarkari wrote...

It is 7:52 in Canada

depends where in Canada you are 

grieferbastard wrote...

I wish I could sticky my posts so I wouldn't make them again and again. Ah well.

The idea that somehow, in any way, shape or form BioWare benefits from having to push back a release or take it back off the virtual shelves for a technical issue is beyond rediculous. They're having to continue to pay their people while the payment for said product is continued to be delayed. As to why no details on exactly what happened and why, see if you can find my previous post in the 50's. It's not because they hate you personally. 

Holding back on releasing it is the responsible business thing to do. There have been, what, four DLCs so far plus a massive game? Is this everyones first experience with technology? While I know it can be comforting to armchair QB about how a bunch of people doing something we know absolutely nothing about can be, please keep a little perspective. 

This is far from the worst thing to ever happen in the history of forever. That was Windows 2000. I'm just glad they're doing the ethical thing and holding back until the product is up to snuff instead of releasing it, taking the money and fixing after the fact. 

As to testing, by the way? I would bet you cash money that this DLC got more QA than any of the food you've eaten in the last week. I've no doubt that internally there are some questions at BioWare why this issue was not caught before release but for privacy and liability reasons they will never and should never even begin to discuss details about that sort of thing. 

I understand and agree with being frustraited. It's not like I don't want to give them my money in return for their product or that they would not in turn love to have my money. Some issues in life though are what is called 'gravity issues'. Things you can not control or influence. This is one of them. Pack an emotional parachute for when things don't go your own way or else you're going to end up unhappy a lot.

2 things. 1st. It isn't responsible to be making pc users wait when it has been proven to date that RtO has no inherent issues. The number of illegal downloaders of the RtO are testament to that.

2nd thing. Windows 2000 was an awesome os (not particularly for gaming mind you). Windows ME on the other hand......

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

That is all well and good, but last week when they messed up for the 2nd time regarding an estimated release date ie. the 5th, Chris stated that in his opinion they shouldn't give out dates until they were 100% certain they could reach those targets.

On the 13th he initially posted stating that they would do their best to get it out for the PC later in the day. The only post he did 'later in the day' was to indicate they were still working on it and since then he hasn't given any comment as to why it wasn't released as he stated it would. Worse still the title of the topic with the RtO update was altered to remove out anything regarding the PC version as though to cover up the mistake. Again nothing to state "Sorry guys we aren't going to be able to get it out on the PC today, we are doing our best to resolve the issue and will let you know when we are 100% certain it can be released." I believe that is all some would have liked to have seen them put and I imagine less people would be angry with them right now had they done that.

On the 13th it should have been pretty obvious to everyone that with the major issue on the 360 there was no way they were still going to give it to the pc until they had figured out why it was an issue. Since it is now clear it was the title update, I would have thought they would give it to pc users. But as I keep saying, if there is an agreement between BW/EA and MS to do a simultaneous release they can't tell us that because then they would admit they lied to us before release when they said the consoles wouldn't negatively impact the pc. 

Verbal Earthworm wrote...

there really is evidence that interest is being generated by these fake release dates, your own included, over 60 pages of it in this single thread alone.
i am quite aware of the the fact that problems do indeed happen, but that is as obvious as it is patronising.

Why do you have to go on with fake dates. They are missed deadlines. Fake indicates that they never had ANY intention of having them out. I'm happy to wait (even though I think they should release the RtO to pc users) as I am having more than enough fun with the game as it is. I couldn't care less if it didn't come out for a month or even release it with the expansion for all I care. 

I'm glad you understand patronising, because that is pretty much what I was going for. 

[dyscr33t]

This thread needs to be locked. The attitude of some of you whiny kids is just ridiculous.

[Kurokenshi]

Why should the thread be locked? Because people are voicing there opinions?

[Verbal Earthworm]

MprezdNZ wrote...

Sarkari wrote...

It is 7:52 in Canada

depends where in Canada you are 

grieferbastard wrote...

I wish I could sticky my posts so I wouldn't make them again and again. Ah well.

The idea that somehow, in any way, shape or form BioWare benefits from having to push back a release or take it back off the virtual shelves for a technical issue is beyond rediculous. They're having to continue to pay their people while the payment for said product is continued to be delayed. As to why no details on exactly what happened and why, see if you can find my previous post in the 50's. It's not because they hate you personally. 

Holding back on releasing it is the responsible business thing to do. There have been, what, four DLCs so far plus a massive game? Is this everyones first experience with technology? While I know it can be comforting to armchair QB about how a bunch of people doing something we know absolutely nothing about can be, please keep a little perspective. 

This is far from the worst thing to ever happen in the history of forever. That was Windows 2000. I'm just glad they're doing the ethical thing and holding back until the product is up to snuff instead of releasing it, taking the money and fixing after the fact. 

As to testing, by the way? I would bet you cash money that this DLC got more QA than any of the food you've eaten in the last week. I've no doubt that internally there are some questions at BioWare why this issue was not caught before release but for privacy and liability reasons they will never and should never even begin to discuss details about that sort of thing. 

I understand and agree with being frustraited. It's not like I don't want to give them my money in return for their product or that they would not in turn love to have my money. Some issues in life though are what is called 'gravity issues'. Things you can not control or influence. This is one of them. Pack an emotional parachute for when things don't go your own way or else you're going to end up unhappy a lot.

2 things. 1st. It isn't responsible to be making pc users wait when it has been proven to date that RtO has no inherent issues. The number of illegal downloaders of the RtO are testament to that.

2nd thing. Windows 2000 was an awesome os (not particularly for gaming mind you). Windows ME on the other hand......

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

That is all well and good, but last week when they messed up for the 2nd time regarding an estimated release date ie. the 5th, Chris stated that in his opinion they shouldn't give out dates until they were 100% certain they could reach those targets.

On the 13th he initially posted stating that they would do their best to get it out for the PC later in the day. The only post he did 'later in the day' was to indicate they were still working on it and since then he hasn't given any comment as to why it wasn't released as he stated it would. Worse still the title of the topic with the RtO update was altered to remove out anything regarding the PC version as though to cover up the mistake. Again nothing to state "Sorry guys we aren't going to be able to get it out on the PC today, we are doing our best to resolve the issue and will let you know when we are 100% certain it can be released." I believe that is all some would have liked to have seen them put and I imagine less people would be angry with them right now had they done that.

On the 13th it should have been pretty obvious to everyone that with the major issue on the 360 there was no way they were still going to give it to the pc until they had figured out why it was an issue. Since it is now clear it was the title update, I would have thought they would give it to pc users. But as I keep saying, if there is an agreement between BW/EA and MS to do a simultaneous release they can't tell us that because then they would admit they lied to us before release when they said the consoles wouldn't negatively impact the pc. 

Verbal Earthworm wrote...

there really is evidence that interest is being generated by these fake release dates, your own included, over 60 pages of it in this single thread alone.
i am quite aware of the the fact that problems do indeed happen, but that is as obvious as it is patronising.

Why do you have to go on with fake dates. They are missed deadlines. Fake indicates that they never had ANY intention of having them out. I'm happy to wait (even though I think they should release the RtO to pc users) as I am having more than enough fun with the game as it is. I couldn't care less if it didn't come out for a month or even release it with the expansion for all I care. 

I'm glad you understand patronising, because that is pretty much what I was going for. 

my sincerest apologies for daring to broach a subject which is obviously very dear to you.
i shall endeavour to refrain from besmirching your chosen crusade.

[MprezdNZ]

yeah I don't see why it should be locked. At least most of this discussion centres around the actually delay. The thread when they missed the 5th deadline was a farce in comparison.

[AlaskanHusky]

dyscr33t wrote...

This thread needs to be locked. The attitude of some of you whiny kids is just ridiculous.

Blink once if someone is putting a gun to your head to read this thread. We will rescue u!

[grieferbastard]

MprezdNZ wrote...

Sarkari wrote...
It is 7:52 in Canada

depends where in Canada you are 

grieferbastard wrote...

blah blah rant rant

2 things. 1st. It isn't responsible to be making pc users wait when it has been proven to date that RtO has no inherent issues. The number of illegal downloaders of the RtO are testament to that.

2nd thing. Windows 2000 was an awesome os (not particularly for gaming mind you). Windows ME on the other hand......

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

etc. etc

On the 13th it should have been pretty obvious to everyone that with the major issue on the 360 there was no way they were still going to give it to the pc until they had figured out why it was an issue. Since it is now clear it was the title update, I would have thought they would give it to pc users. But as I keep saying, if there is an agreement between BW/EA and MS to do a simultaneous release they can't tell us that because then they would admit they lied to us before release when they said the consoles wouldn't negatively impact the pc. 

Verbal Earthworm wrote...

there really is evidence that interest is being generated by these fake release dates, your own included, over 60 pages of it in this single thread alone.
i am quite aware of the the fact that problems do indeed happen, but that is as obvious as it is patronising.

Why do you have to go on with fake dates. They are missed deadlines. Fake indicates that they never had ANY intention of having them out. I'm happy to wait (even though I think they should release the RtO to pc users) as I am having more than enough fun with the game as it is. I couldn't care less if it didn't come out for a month or even release it with the expansion for all I care. 

I'm glad you understand patronising, because that is pretty much what I was going for. 

Fair enough on Windows ME. Windows 2000 hated people though. I suspect ME was created just to prove that Microsoft could wrap a piece of crap in tinfoil and sell it as earrings and people would buy it.

On the rest, you're speculating though. Is there an issue with the PC build? Is it a matter of their agreement with MS? Maybe
in the vetting process at MS some guy acidentally replaced all the new
dialog with text from his massive stockpile of Harry Potter slash
fiction.

I could say that I'm not a big fan of EAs business model at a corporate level. However, that's just more armchair QBing. I will say that I have
been deeply pleased and impressed with the quality of DA:O as a product
and have faith that the people involved in its development at BioWare
will do all that they can, within the bounds of tools and resources
available to them in a corporate environment, to ensure that they
deliver a high quality product to the end user.

One thing I find so funny is that because DA:O was so awesome at release, that it delivered several TIMES the amount of content that other games at a similar price provide, that all future DLC should have the same relative valuation - i.e., 140+ hours of entertainment for approximately $50.

By this logic, they should have released a shorter, more flawed game. Then paying more for DLC and having a few technical issues wouldn't seem like as big a deal.....

right?

[Silensfurtim]

dyscr33t wrote...

This thread needs to be locked. The attitude of some of you whiny kids is just ridiculous.

why? you Bioware asskissers dont know about anything freedom of speech and voicing out opinions?

its our effing right because we paid for this ****.

[GalldorLarys]

Well it's much more civilized than the last one about the 5th, that's for sure.



I have to agree that so info on the PC version of the DLC would be nice to have, not meaning they should tell us an ETA but rather to know where we're going.

[MprezdNZ]

Verbal Earthworm wrote...

my sincerest apologies for daring to broach a subject which is obviously very dear to you.
i shall endeavour to refrain from besmirching your chosen crusade.

Stop being such a child. You show me proof they are deliberately giving us deadlines they have NO intention of making and I will reconsider my position. Until then stop acting like a spoiled brat and cooking up wild conspiracy theories. The sale of the game itself would have shown there was more than enough interest in the game. A 30 minute dlc is hardly going to encourage a swag of new gamers; so the dlc is for all intensive purposes for existing players. 

How then does it make any sense to ****** everyone off by blatantly lying about when it will be available? Honestly. 

[Kurokenshi]

AlaskanHusky wrote...

dyscr33t wrote...

This thread needs to be locked. The attitude of some of you whiny kids is just ridiculous.

Blink once if someone is putting a gun to your head to read this thread. We will rescue u!

OMG thats hilarious!

Approval +15

[Verbal Earthworm]

a user was just banned from Dragon Age Nexus because they boasted of having an illegal copy of Return to Ostagar (PC).



exactly the reason why the PC version should have been released on time.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

MprezdNZ wrote...

Verbal Earthworm wrote...

the fake deadlines are getting really old now.

i understand the need to create interest in this game over the xmas period, hence the initial fake release date.

i also understand the need to create an interest in this game over the easter period, hence the announcement over the expansion.

but seriously, who do you think you are kidding?

fools like myself who were stupid enough to buy points perhaps?

There really is no evidence that they are deliberately giving us dates simply to generate interest. Problems do come up you know. 

That is all well and good, but last week when they messed up for the 2nd time regarding an estimated release date ie. the 5th, Chris stated that in his opinion they shouldn't give out dates until they were 100% certain they could reach those targets.

On the 13th he initially posted stating that they would do their best to get it out for the PC later in the day. The only post he did 'later in the day' was to indicate they were still working on it and since then he hasn't given any comment as to why it wasn't released as he stated it would. Worse still the title of the topic with the RtO update was altered to remove out anything regarding the PC version as though to cover up the mistake. Again nothing to state "Sorry guys we aren't going to be able to get it out on the PC today, we are doing our best to resolve the issue and will let you know when we are 100% certain it can be released." I believe that is all some would have liked to have seen them put and I imagine less people would be angry with them right now had they done that.

Spot the hell on

[Torias]

This thread wont be locked until it is replaced by another "information" type thread that follows up on the issues.

If you have concerns about the behaviour of a particular poster, you can use the "report this post" or contact a moderator (listed at the bottom of forum pages). That is more constructive than posting it about it on the open forum.

Since this thread isn't going to be locked, I'll restate previous guidelines for this forum: discussion of piracy, Spam, attacks and insults against other community members are all not permitted on these forums.

Modifié par Torias, 15 janvier 2010 - 01:46 .

[GalldorLarys]

Good to know it won't be locked, at least for now.

[Rodd X]

OK everyone clam down the DLC will come out someday there no need to for all this drama its just a GAME it will be ok just play something else til its ready I know nobody want to pay good money for a bug DLC so chill out hit a J good thing come to those who wait

[grieferbastard]

Verbal Earthworm wrote...

a user was just banned from Dragon Age Nexus because they boasted of having an illegal copy of Return to Ostagar (PC).

exactly the reason why the PC version should have been released on time.

Anyone who is the sort of dead weight on society to steal software because paying for it means he'd have to wait until it's released is no basis for deciding, well, anything. Except possibly testing the effectiveness of tasers and weighted clubs.

Like somehow they just.... don't want peoples money. Like this was done on purpose, what, to promote complaining on the forums? I'm sure that's a lot more valuable than taking my money in return for their product.

I realize you're frustraited. I understand, I empathize! I have 0 interest in consoles. I have an absolutely rockin' computer that I update around every 6 months. It's a sexy, sexy beast of a machine and it aches in a delightfully unwholesome manner for new games and new content. When Assassins Creed II for the PC got pushed back my inner child threw a massive tantrum.

I want to play RtO and give BioWare my money, just like everyone else. Making sweeping and baseless assumptions though that for some illogical and inexplicable reason they just decided to hold off releasing it for, what, giggles? Makes no sense. They want it up more than you do.

[MprezdNZ]

grieferbastard wrote...

Fair enough on Windows ME. Windows 2000 hated people though. I suspect ME was created just to prove that Microsoft could wrap a piece of crap in tinfoil and sell it as earrings and people would buy it.

On the rest, you're speculating though. Is there an issue with the PC build? Is it a matter of their agreement with MS? Maybe
in the vetting process at MS some guy acidentally replaced all the new
dialog with text from his massive stockpile of Harry Potter slash
fiction.

I could say that I'm not a big fan of EAs business model at a corporate level. However, that's just more armchair QBing. I will say that I have
been deeply pleased and impressed with the quality of DA:O as a product
and have faith that the people involved in its development at BioWare
will do all that they can, within the bounds of tools and resources
available to them in a corporate environment, to ensure that they
deliver a high quality product to the end user.

One thing I find so funny is that because DA:O was so awesome at release, that it delivered several TIMES the amount of content that other games at a similar price provide, that all future DLC should have the same relative valuation - i.e., 140+ hours of entertainment for approximately $50.

By this logic, they should have released a shorter, more flawed game. Then paying more for DLC and having a few technical issues wouldn't seem like as big a deal.....

right?

well I guess win2000 was never really designed as a consumer product. It really was a slightly prettier NF4. People only used it because ME was so bad. But yes, it didn't really like humans. It was like the ultimate hermit who reluctantly gets taken out by it's friends and then sits in the corner sulking all night. 

Yeah, I am speculating. A product of Bioware not telling us anything. Although it is quite logical in most respects. Lots of people are playing RtO on pc. A number of my friends are. Not one has had a single issue with it. It has been acknowledged that the title update caused the 360 problem, not RtO. On the balance of those 2 pieces of information it would seem logical that pc users could have access to the dlc. Yet they are not. What are the potential reasons? It can't be Sony because they weren't going to get it at the same. MS is a definite possibility because all the releases so far have been tied to the same day. or it could be something else we don't know about. Fact remains that Bioware won't tell us because it has the potential to turn into an even bigger issue;so we speculate. 

As I said in another post. I couldn't care less if the RtO wasn't released until the expansion as I love the game as it is. I am getting more than enough enjoyment out of it, and 30 minutes or so isn't going to have any real world impact on my impressions of the game. I guess as a pc user I am lucky though that if there are any smaller issues they can generally be worked around by user mods. 

And lol, yes you are pretty much right. 

[JCrichton47]

Gamespot is reporting the "Windows" version is available now.
http://www.gamespot....adlines;title;6
LOL

Modifié par JCrichton47, 15 janvier 2010 - 01:56 .