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[Bfler]

I am waiting for the daily excuse that there aren't any news about the DLC.

[Abriael_CG]

First of all. Time to realize something:

Chris Priestly is a Community Manager. The Job of a community manager is not to decide what to say to the community, but to simply relay to the community what people higher up in the food chain decide that the community needs to know, while reporting back to them a summary of what the community raves about.
He gets to decide the wording of such communication (within limits), but he does not get to decide the contents.
In my experience in and around the gaming industry i've seen several community managers laid off because they gave to the community more info than what they were supposed to, or that quit their job because they didn't agree with their software house's communication policies.

So yeah, if you feel that there is some finger pointing to do due to the arguably abysmal communication policies held during this whole RtO debacle (and by now I'm sure you know that I do), you may want to point them above Chris' head, because pointing them at him is pointless (pardon the pun) and quite unfair.

Secondarily: seriously, lay off the piracy talk. I understand that publicly stating "I'm gonna get the pirated version!" will make you feel high and mighty in your "punishing" bioware for making you wait and screwing up their communication. The side-effect is that getting banned is only going to punish you. Capiche?

Now, having gotten that off my chest, I'm going to go on and ask our valiant community manager my usual questions, hoping that he will report to his superiors that the smokescreen is starting to get stale, and that now that the damage has been abundantly done, it's time to radically change the communication policies to full (or almost) transparency, in order to control such damage. I know, slim hope, but we haven't much left.

1: What is the status of the PC version of the DLC? Is it ready for launch?
a: If yes, when will it be launched? Why it's being held back?
b: if no, what issues have been found? What is the roadmap to solve them? What is a reasonable timeframe? One Day? A few days?  a week? A few weeks? months?
c: If you found nothing wrong but you're still checking, how long are you planning to continue testing before the PC version will be considered clear? Will it be released immediately then, or will you wait for the other platforms? if so, why?

2: What is the roadmap and reasonable timeframe for the release of the fixed Xbox 360 version?

3: Can we expect a different outcome with further DLC and the Expansion? What is Bioware going to do to ensure that?

I think we all know that Bioware has at least a reasonable idea of the answers to the questions above. Personally I think it's quite evident that continuing to keep everyone in the dark after three delays, a majorly borked release and a series of misleading announcement that promped us to pay for a yet non-existant product, is only going to increase the feeling of unrest, and damage the image of Bioware as a brand with their customers. Again, it's time to step up a little on the communication, instead of giving the sime tired "we're working on it, we are not telling you anything else" answer that doesn't include any information beyond the "good morning, it's 10 am, have a good day". I still hope this is going to change, and hopefully I won't be disappointed further.

Thank you.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 15 janvier 2010 - 03:16 .

[Deiser]

Abriael_CG wrote...

So yeah, if you feel that there is some finger pointing to do due to the arguably abysmal communication policies held during this whole RtO debacle (and by now I'm sure you know that I do), you may want to point them above Chris' head, because pointing them at him is pointless (pardon the pun) and quite unfair.

Is it at least ok to give him hot-blooded finger-pointing, Phoenix Wright style?

[darkshadow136]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I don't think we'll see the DLC until next Tuesday, if we see it next week at all.

No can't you read it will be available this Holiday season. lol

[Verbal Earthworm]

memo: this Holiday season has been extended.

[highcastle]

Alright, question on clearing the cache method to removing the spec glitch: I don't have any old saves from before I unlocked my specs. I deleted my first character (who unlocked ranger, so that sucks since the book is gone), one character is level 22 and the other is level 11 but most specs had been unlocked before I got the glitch. I don't know if I have an earlier save from before they were all unlocked. If I don't, will clearing the system cache even help me get my specs back? Or am I just stuck waiting for BioWare to release the new patch?

[AndersB]

TafkanX wrote...

AndersB wrote...

Where can I find this (RTO) leaked version for PC?

Bad idea.  Don't even go there, it's taboo here.

Where should I not go???        

[_LordKain_]

darkshadow136 wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I don't think we'll see the DLC until next Tuesday, if we see it next week at all.

No can't you read it will be available this Holiday season. lol

Wonderful.  So we'll have to wait till December?!?! 

[Cybercat999]

Abriael_CG wrote...
I think we all know that Bioware has at least a reasonable idea of the answers to the questions above.

But we could have all noticed as well that they do not want to answer those questions for whatever reason. In my opinion asking a question someone doesnt want to answer over and over again is exercise in futility.

Modifié par Cybercat999, 15 janvier 2010 - 03:21 .

[loudenkl]

Feraele wrote...

I just want to stand up here and say..I am a PC owner, did not buy the points ahead of time and most of all, I am not angry. 

What she said...

Seriously, I for one am glad, no strike that, I'm ecstatic that Bioware has taken the steps to ensure that what is released is a quality product. 

[Abriael_CG]

Deiser wrote...

Is it at least ok to give him hot-blooded finger-pointing, Phoenix Wright style?

Overruled!

Feraele wrote...

If there is no news at this time...you can't get blood from a stone.    They'll tell us what they  can, when they can.

Not really. Chris may be telling us what he can, because he's just following instructions. Bioware, on the other hand, is not telling us what they can (IE: What they know), because if this was the case, given the absolute lack of information in their posts, you'd have to assume that they are completely clueless about the current situation, which, I'm sure you'll realize, is a slightly irrealistic theory when talking about a software house with several years of experience behind it's back.
Let's not be delusional. They know what's going on, they have a quite clear idea of what the situation is, they have a roadmap and a tentative schedule (if not a set in stone schedule, which is still very probably). They just adamantly refuse to share such information with us, which is, IMHO, a choice that could have been good before the third delay+screwup+misleading communication. Now it's time to blow the smoke screen away and give us some real information, because yes, they have much more behind that screen than you assume.

Cybercat999 wrote...

But
we could have all noticed as well that they do not want to answer those
questions for whatever reason. In my opinion asking a question someone
doesnt want to answer over and over again is exercise in futility.

When someone does something silly, you can let him bang his head against a rock until he realized the sillyness of his actions, or you can continue  to let him know that he's doing something silly. While the hope is slim, there's always the chance that he'll finally see the light and change his ways.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 15 janvier 2010 - 03:23 .

[highcastle]

loudenkl wrote...

Feraele wrote...

I just want to stand up here and say..I am a PC owner, did not buy the points ahead of time and most of all, I am not angry. 

What she said...

Seriously, I for one am glad, no strike that, I'm ecstatic that Bioware has taken the steps to ensure that what is released is a quality product. 

Well, ya know, except for the game-breaking spec bug on the title patch for the 360...

[owl208]

darkshadow136 wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I don't think we'll see the DLC until next Tuesday, if we see it next week at all.

No can't you read it will be available this Holiday season. lol

Wait...I thought that the holiday season never ends....

owl falls off perch in shock 

this love never ends.....by my bois maroon 5

Modifié par owl208, 15 janvier 2010 - 03:24 .

[darkshadow136]

I personally think all the chatter about the delay will be most likely more entertaining then the RTO DLC could ever be. Think about it we have had almost 2 months of pain, entertainment, sadness, and loss. the DLC would only give us maybe an hour of that.

[Abriael_CG]

Feraele wrote...

If they're not willing to give out  so-called "real info" at this time then you're not gonna get it no matter how many times you spam this thread and DEMAND it.   We've been through this before right?

Some people will bend over and shut up despite seeing something that they deem unfair. Some over will continue  pushing until they manage to budge the boulder, as little that motion could be. Sometimes they'll fail, sometimes they'll manaage.
Personally bending over isn't my forte. And it's pretty damn sure that the continuous "let them work, poor boys, they're doing what they can" speeches aren't helping anyone. On the contrary, the more you support an error, the more the people erring will think that their ways are justified.

Personally, I find that encouraging a software house to think that putting up a smoke screen and keeping their paying customers in the dark after three delays, a major screwup and all that came with it, is a quite damaging attitude.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 15 janvier 2010 - 03:28 .

[owl208]

Feraele wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

Deiser wrote...

Is it at least ok to give him hot-blooded finger-pointing, Phoenix Wright style?

Overruled!

Feraele wrote...

If there is no news at this time...you can't get blood from a stone.    They'll tell us what they  can, when they can.

Not really. Chris may be telling us what he can, because he's just following instructions. Bioware, on the other hand, is not telling us what they can (IE: What they know), because if this was the case, given the absolute lack of information in their posts, you'd have to assume that they are completely clueless about the current situation, which, I'm sure you'll realize, is a slightly irrealistic theory when talking about a software house with several years of experience behind it's back.
Let's not be delusional. They know what's going on, they have a quite clear idea of what the situation is, they have a roadmap and a tentative schedule (if not a set in stone schedule, which is still very probably). They just adamantly refuse to share such information with us, which is, IMHO, a choice that could have been good before the third delay+screwup+misleading communication. Now it's time to blow the smoke screen away and give us some real information, because yes, they have much more behind that screen than you assume.

If they're not willing to give out  so-called "real info" at this time then you're not gonna get it no matter how many times you spam this thread and DEMAND it.   We've been through this before right?

Hey Feraele baby.... don't depress me...lol......I need that squeak toy. 

[EsstheSeeker]

Woot! Abriael is back!
I have my idol/leader to follow!

For everyone who DIDN'T read through all 70+ pages, this guy has been preaching the good word from page 20ish if I remember correctly.

LISTEN TO THIS MAN!

(Note: Rumors of his endorcement of public hangings are entirely false.)

Also, he wasn't talking about shadowy plots. Smokescreen is refering to their stance on disclosing specific information to the consumers. Its a PR term.

Modifié par EsstheSeeker, 15 janvier 2010 - 03:33 .

[Abriael_CG]

Feraele wrote...

SOME people have reason to work with and not hysteria and blown up self-importance............

Hysteria? I'm quite curious to see you quote where in my posts there is any hysteria.

As of self-importance? I'd rather talk about entitlement. I don't deem myself important in any way besides the fact that I'm a paying customer. My sense of entitlement goes only as far as the fact that I already paid for a product due to some misleading communcation, and I honestly feel entitled to know when and how i will receive what I paid for. That is all.

if there's one thing I learned about the gaming market is that fanboys are the least helpful entities to a software house's growth.

[Gebut]

Abriael_CG wrote...

3: Can we expect a different outcome with further DLC and the Expansion? What is Bioware going to do to ensure that?

This. Very important point