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[Eterna]

The Quarians, not because I view organic life as higher, but because the Geth have given me plenty of reason to feel that choosing them over the Quarians is a bad idea.

Honestly though, the choice would still hurt. I felt like crap after killing them on a Shepard that I rped as being a Ruthless Synthetic hater. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 17 mars 2013 - 08:50 .

[Megaton_Hope]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's 17 million according to the Codex and in-game dialogue. Pre-Morning War, they numbered in the "billions," plural, though the figure doesn't get more specific than that.

I guess that it's Drew Karpyshyn in a licensed novelization, anyway. At that point they're on a planet (we're at 7 billion or so ourselves), with intact immune systems and an infrastructure for providing food and water &c in place. Well, multiple planets, they had colonies.

I'd personally number my immunosuppressed space refugees in the hundreds of thousands at most, but 17 million is a lot easier to support than 100 million, at least.

[Massa FX]

who would I save?
Quarians or Geth? Quarians
Geth or Humans? Humans
Turian or Geth? Turian
Asari or Geth? (hard one. ...)
Geth or Volus? (Geth. lol)
Elcor vs Geth? (Elcor)
Batarian vs Geth? (Geth)
Vorcha vs Geth? (Geth. lol)
Geth or Shepard clones? (hard one....)
Hanar or Geth (Geth... lol)
EDI or Geth? (EDI. and thats a surprise)
Glyph or Geth? (Geth)
Flesher Maws or Geth? (... hard one...)
Krogan or Geth? (Krogan)
Rachni or Geth? (Geth)
Salarian or Geth? (Salarian)

Modifié par Massa FX, 17 mars 2013 - 09:09 .

[Rip504]

The Geth are willing to give up freewill and become tools in the needless slaughter of all civilized organic life to survive. The Heretics chose to view the Reapers as Gods before having the Reaper Virus uploaded. Both occasions the Geth chose of their own freewill to join the Reapers before becoming "enslaved". Legion also states that the Reaper it connects to is to much for even Legion to comprehend. Legion can understand why some would consider Reapers Gods,even if it does not. God-Like status. Geth then choose to keep the Reaper code/upgrades to better themselves as a race. Legion:Once you accept another's path. It blinds you to alternatives. The Geth also killed billions of organics to "defend" and "survive". Legion directly states the mistrust between Organics and Synthetics stems from both sides.

Although the Geth(Heretics) chose to worship the Reapers as Gods and the pinnacle of synthetic life before the Reapers uploaded the virus. The Geth(True) also decided to give their freewill and ally themselves with the Reapers in ME3 willingly. Organics started the conflict in ME3,but in both cases the Geth willingly decided to join the Reapers for their own reasons. Hence they are now powerful enough and are capable of helping the Reapers harvest all civilized Organic life. The conflict does exist within our cycle and the Geth were in a position on more then one occasion and willing to do something very similar to what the Catalyst is stating.
(Edit:Legion also stated it could understand why some would consider the Reapers to be gods even if it does not. So Legion may consider the Reapers to be God like entities,but not actual gods. Why not strive for that as a synthetic? Not the Harvest but the rest. The Geth do decide to keep the Reaper Code upgrades and take that first step. The Geth have also shown they are willing to do anything to survive.

Etc. The Geth are as potentially dangerous as they are potentially peaceful.

Modifié par Rip504, 17 mars 2013 - 09:22 .

[S.A.K]

Looks like the Geth are loosing this big time. The good side of BSN:)

[Rhayak]

It's not easy but i think i would pick the Geth. At least with my main.

They ARE a form of sentient life. And for that reason alone the Quarian shat their pants and wanted to exterminate them. And they sure as hell wouldn't have regretted that, like the Geth do if the Quarians die.

Plus Tali isn't his love interest, is among his least-chosen squadmates, and has been doing nothing but leech tech secrets from the alliance ever since she set foot on the SR1.

[LegionofRannoch]

^^^^ bosh'tet..

She gave shepard data on saren.. Shes also the only geth expert in sheps squad.

[Dabrikishaw]

Xilizhra wrote...

The quarians are better if you destroyed the heretics, the geth are better if you rewrote them.

[Rhayak]

LegionofRannoch wrote...

^^^^ bosh'tet..

She gave shepard data on saren.. Shes also the only geth expert in sheps squad.

Suit rat!!!!!!!!

She only did so to barter for her own safety. If not for the double-cross in the alley, she would've gladly sold the data to the SB.

Plus.... frankly i never found her Geth knowledge to be critical in fighting them.
At least, no more critical than a shotgun.

Modifié par Rhayak, 17 mars 2013 - 10:43 .

[DEATHSCOPE]

I'm against any decisions that doomed an entire species. That's why I let the rachni queen live in the first place. During the Rannoch mission, I never felt like the geth were in any particular danger. Only the Quarians were because of their stupidity of course, but the geth seems fine. They are network intelligence. They can be preserved. They can be rebuild. The Quarians cannot.

[Kataphrut94]

If there were no peace outcome, of course I would side with the geth. If nothing else it's because the quarians are the aggressors in this particular conflict and have been pretty much since the Morning War. Don't go starting pointless genocidal wars and then come crying to me because you're losing, Mr Gerrel.

Also, looking at this from a military point of view, which group would you want backing you up in a war? The killer robots with advanced technology and no concept of death or the dwindling race of space gypsies with salvaged ships and knackered immune systems?

[shodiswe]

I think a lot of people will say Quarians because they have certain lowerbody assets. Where as the Geth will only look like question marks when you try to get it on with them! J/K

I got a problem with chooing between them because they are both seriously messed up people. They are both terrible at handling their own problems. I guess it makes sense that they are both idiots since one idiotic species created the other!

Still, I have to admit I like both.

Modifié par shodiswe, 17 mars 2013 - 10:41 .

[Rhayak]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
They are network intelligence. They can be preserved. They can be rebuild. The Quarians cannot.

Yeah, but if you destroy enough hardware they can't upload themselves somewhere else and effectively die.
And you can't rebuild that. You can't rebuild the uniqueness of a mind and it's memories.

Yeah they did it with Shepard, but that's a pretty unique case, and still unexplained beyond "it was very expensive". 

Killing Geth "because they can be rebuilt" is like killing a human "because you can birth another one".

[shodiswe]

Rhayak wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
They are network intelligence. They can be preserved. They can be rebuild. The Quarians cannot.

Yeah, but if you destroy enough hardware they can't upload themselves somewhere else and effectively die.
And you can't rebuild that. You can't rebuild the uniqueness of a mind and it's memories.

Yeah they did it with Shepard, but that's a pretty unique case, and still unexplained beyond "it was very expensive". 

Killing Geth "because they can be rebuilt" is like killing a human "because you can birth another one".

We were told Hepards brain wasn't damaged.. so... umm.. yeah, guess he/she wasn't really dead, just in a coma but the body had to be rebuilt and was seriously damaged. Probably beyond recoverable for most people.

[Reorte]

Rhayak wrote...

Killing Geth "because they can be rebuilt" is like killing a human "because you can birth another one".

If it's a choice between that and wiping out a whole species, forever, for good, then it's arguably the lesser evil.

Aside from their own problems towards each other the geth have the worse track record towards the rest of the galaxy. And female quarians are too hot to kill.

[Rhayak]

shodiswe wrote...
We were told Hepards brain wasn't damaged.. so... umm.. yeah, guess he/she wasn't really dead, just in a coma but the body had to be rebuilt and was seriously damaged. Probably beyond recoverable for most people.

What Miranda says is that it remained "mostly intact" thanks to the helmet. But intact doesn't mean functional. It just means it wasn't smashed into a pulp, so there was something to work with.
The mind has to reside somewhere, and that somewhere was messed up real bad. Healing the brain matter itself is one thing, but rebuilding the memories ROCKETS WILDLY into the realm of imagination.

As for the body itself, a freakin' mummy is more healthy than Shepard post-crash.

Luckily none of that was beyond TIM Warbucks' "limitless power and billions of dollars." And mind ya, i'm 100% ok with that.

Modifié par Rhayak, 17 mars 2013 - 10:54 .

[Rhayak]

Reorte wrote...
 female quarians are too hot to kill.

That i can never possibly deny. I did say it's not an easy choice

[Nashtalia]

without Reaper Indocrination on the Geth, it would be hard to make option [or something of this], i'd have to hear out the agruements of each side [that being between the Geth and the Quarians]

EDIT: if not able to make decisions between the two, i shall let the two deal on how they would go about it....

Modifié par Nashtalia, 17 mars 2013 - 10:53 .

[DEATHSCOPE]

Rhayak wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
They are network intelligence. They can be preserved. They can be rebuild. The Quarians cannot.

Yeah, but if you destroy enough hardware they can't upload themselves somewhere else and effectively die.
And you can't rebuild that. You can't rebuild the uniqueness of a mind and it's memories.

Yeah they did it with Shepard, but that's a pretty unique case, and still unexplained beyond "it was very expensive". 

Killing Geth "because they can be rebuilt" is like killing a human "because you can birth another one".

I wouldn't use that analogy given that organics and machines are totally different. Also killing the entire geth race would still take a long time. They have bases all over the veil, on most ex-Quarian planets. The Quarians, however, are all present right there in the sky above Rannoch. I wasn't about to let them die because of a few overpriviledge admirals like Gerrel, who are also out of their freaking minds. Also the only unique geth I interacted with throughout the whole series was Legion. So I don't know what you mean about uniqueness of the minds.

[Rhayak]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
I wouldn't use that analogy given that organics and machines are totally different.

No. Deep down the only difference in the ME3 universe is that sentient machines aren't squishy.

So I don't know what you mean about uniqueness of the minds.

Different Geth have different experiences that MAKE them unique. Just like people.

So if Geth "A" knows something and you kill him, you can rebuild another one but it will never be like Geth "A".

If Human Jim knows something and you kill him, you can name a newborn Jim but he won't be the same person.

That's what i mean.

Modifié par Rhayak, 17 mars 2013 - 11:02 .

[DEATHSCOPE]

Rhayak wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
I wouldn't use that analogy given that organics and machines are totally different.

No. Deep down the only difference in the ME3 universe is that sentient machines aren't squishy.

So I don't know what you mean about uniqueness of the minds.

Different Geth have different experiences that MAKE them unique. Just like people.
So if Geth "A" knows something and you kill him, you can rebuild another one but it will never be like Geth "A".
If Human Jim knows something and you kill him, you can name a newborn Jim but he won't be the same person.That's what i mean.

I see. Well my decision is based on what is presented to me at the end of Rannoch. For that battle, the Quarians have too much at stake. I will always choose them over the geth. However, in my eyes the war between the two will not last so long as my Shepard is still alive. He will board the Quarian flag ship, shoot Gerrel in the face for insubordination and the crime of putting his people in danger, then put another, more passive leader in his place. The geth will absolutely lose a couple of unique individuals during that battle but peace will ultimately reign. 

[Megaton_Hope]

The unique experiences idea is flummoxed somewhat by the Geth collective memory containing the memories of the first Geth to achieve sentience. That Geth has certainly been physically destroyed, but its memories are extant in the "cloud" of Geth memories. Presumably, therefore, the software by which that Geth was animated is also part of the memory cloud, and could be instantiated in another Geth body, which would be indistinguishable from the original in every way but that it would remember "dying" and "coming back to life." Every other Geth which was linked with that Geth would also be identical to that Geth up until the moment its software was disconnected and/or permanently erased by some means, because that's how the Geth operate.

That's what kind of bugs me about the idea of Legion "dying," because in the course of "dying" it uploads its software to all the other Geth, which means that it is still "alive," and in a literal, not figurative sense. If they built another body, and Legion inhabited it, that would be Legion again.

[Helios969]

Damn, them hips...plus the Geth are dead one way or the other, so I might as well save one species.

[Rhayak]

Megaton_Hope wrote...
That's what kind of bugs me about the idea of Legion "dying," because in the course of "dying" it uploads its software to all the other Geth, which means that it is still "alive," and in a literal, not figurative sense. If they built another body, and Legion inhabited it, that would be Legion again.

Exactly.

If he is killed during the Suicide Mission in ME2, he attempts to upload his software, but is unable to find any recipient, since you're in the galactic core, before his critically damaged platform shuts down.

So he dies. Permanently. And there will never be another like him, because no other Geth can live what he lived.

Damn, them hips...plus the Geth are dead one way or the other, so I might as well save one species.

How miopic.

Modifié par Rhayak, 17 mars 2013 - 12:16 .

[Da Don Giovanni]

Massa FX wrote...

who would I save?
Quarians or Geth? Quarians
Geth or Humans? Humans
Turian or Geth? Turian
Asari or Geth? (hard one. ...)
Geth or Volus? (Geth. lol)
Elcor vs Geth? (Elcor)
Batarian vs Geth? (Geth)
Vorcha vs Geth? (Geth. lol)
Geth or Shepard clones? (hard one....)
Hanar or Geth (Geth... lol)
EDI or Geth? (EDI. and thats a surprise)
Glyph or Geth? (Get
h)
Flesher Maws or Geth? (... hard one...)
Krogan or Geth? (Krogan)
Rachni or Geth? (Geth)
Salarian or Geth? (Salarian)

You lost me there.