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[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I'm fairly certain wiping out 99% of a people doesn't get you off the hook for the 1% who you let escape.

. Maybe if we explained that we aren't a threat.... Nah, lets just shut off all communication and kill anyone who comes near us.

You mean the several hundred years we were your slave didn't convince you?

. The time difference between the Geth's creation and the end of the morning war is a few years according to the time logs in the Consensus.

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Once they no longer felt threatened?


You'd think after they killed their first billion they'd be safe....

Not if the other billion kept coming back for more.

. Because the elderly, children, non-combatant, they all deserve to die for doing nothing.

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

That was absolutely nothing to do with Darwin

Survival of the fittest bro. 

. You are perverting natural selection into playing to politics.  Spencer would be proud.

[DeinonSlayer]

tevix wrote...

@Remy

Oh ho..ha..haha..oh man...

Now you've reduced your argument for not trying to shut down the geth to "The geth can kick your a--, don't mess with them."

The quarians who tried to shut down the geth were wrong. Sadly, they never had the opportunity to correct their mistake. If the geth absorb only knowledge on how to kill and no sense of morals or right/wrong then we can assume even if the quarians attempted peace before the end of the MW the geth would have rejected it and killed them anyway.

Evidence?

Geth become racist homocidal bast---- that kill vessels of peace even if they aren't quarian.

Also, you have failed repeatedly to respond to deinon's assertion (and he provided evidence) that the geth were considering alliance with the reapers before the quarians showed up.

Why the f--- would they even be talking to them? We don't know for certain if they would have taken it up, but the fact that legion had to stop talking because of a difficulty in whether to take them up on the offer...that says they are considering it pretty seriously. That's questionable behavior in and of itself.

Silver was actually the first to postulate this... and it makes sense. Neither Legion nor the VI say anything to suggest that the Geth were going to leave the Veil and aid organics prior to the upload confrontation. We're told by Legion that the Geth "believed him" when told about the Reapers, which tells us nothing of how the Geth intended to react. We're told the Geth prepared for war, but the nature of those preparations is never specified. We know there is a facility on Rannoch which is used to house this reaper. We are either to believe that the reaper got there before the Quarians invaded, making an offer to the Geth which they shelved until their existence was threatened by the Quarian invasion (the Geth rep tells us that were it not for the attack, the Reaper alliance would have been "unnecessary"); OR we're supposed to believe that, while the Quarians were fighting the still-largely-ineffective Geth, this Reaper somehow came into the Tikkun system behind them and made it down to the planet's surface undetected, making it to a Geth stronghold capable of withstanding prolonged orbital bombardment which was already conveniently able to house it. The former is far easier to believe, especially considering that thanks to their own actions over the last three centuries, the Geth had no allies to turn to.

The Reapers approached them unassailed once before. Silver's theory was that the Reapers made their offer before the war, and the Geth cut off contact with the Quarians to consider it (Tali theorizes Legion stopped talking because he was resisting the Reaper takeover). The Reaper invasion spurred the Quarians to launch their attack because they had no other options (they can't aid the war effort with their entire civilian populace on board or survive an encounter with the Reapers in space, and nobody else can or will take them in). The Quarian invasion spurred the Geth to side with the Reapers because they had no other options (they couldn't tear down and move their dyson sphere in the time they had). And the rest is history.

Basically? The Reapers played both sides of the table, and (were it not for that meddling human) they'd have won. The Quarians were corralled in their home system by Reaper-controlled Geth, to be harvested or destroyed at the Reapers' convenience, neutralizing the largest organic AND synthetic fleets in the galaxy in a single stroke.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 30 mars 2013 - 06:00 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Well then I guess I can wipe out the geth without a guilty conscience after all. Survival of the fittest after all.

They were weak enough to turn to the Reapers for help, and even with all that they were too weak to stop Shepard.

Not personal, just business.

[Steelcan]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Well then I guess I can wipe out the geth without a guilty conscience after all. Survival of the fittest after all.

They were weak enough to turn to the Reapers for help, and even with all that they were too weak to stop Shepard.

Not personal, just business.

. Well it wasnt personal at all.  I may have enjoyed shooting the Geth Vi x3.  But I've have been fine if the other geth had entertained the option for peace.  I can think of several quarians who did, but it doesn't seem the geth wanted it.

[tevix]

@Remy

The geth stopped attacking because the LESS than 1% of survivors left. What if they hadn't..?

They geth would have killed them all. ALL.

No justification.

It's also insulting head canon that all organics hate AI for existing. That simply is not true. It's disproven time and again in game.

[remydat]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Well then I guess I can wipe out the geth without a guilty conscience after all. Survival of the fittest after all.

They were weak enough to turn to the Reapers for help, and even with all that they were too weak to stop Shepard.

Not personal, just business.

No one suggested you couldn't.  You are free to do whatever you want in your playthrough as I am free to do so in mine.  I choose peace but if that is not an option then the Quarians die.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Well then I guess I can wipe out the geth without a guilty conscience after all. Survival of the fittest after all.

They were weak enough to turn to the Reapers for help, and even with all that they were too weak to stop Shepard.

Not personal, just business.

. Well it wasnt personal at all.  I may have enjoyed shooting the Geth Vi x3.  But I've have been fine if the other geth had entertained the option for peace.  I can think of several quarians who did, but it doesn't seem the geth wanted it.

True enough.

Huh, by that logic the Reapers deserve to be destroyed simply because they couldn't stop me from docking the Crucible....

What a beautifully liberating thought.

I'm sure that after the war the Turians, Humans, and Krogan will enjoy ruling the lesser species... Javik would be proud.

[Steelcan]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

True enough.

Huh, by that logic the Reapers deserve to be destroyed simply because they couldn't stop me from docking the Crucible....

What a beautifully liberating thought.

I'm sure that after the war the Turians, Humans, and Krogan will enjoy ruling the lesser species... Javik would be proud.

. Hopefully the Asari will resist.  We can wipe them out 

[remydat]

Steelcan wrote...

You are perverting natural selection into playing to politics.  Spencer would be proud.

Umm, no you guys are playing politics defending the fleshy organics.  At the end of the day if you try and kill something and it kills you then that is not politics.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Heh.

Glowboy: Synthetics will always destroy Organics.

Cheesecake: We beat the Geth, despite your best efforts I might add and Javik tells me his people were kicking ass in the Metacon war until you showed up...

Glowboy:...

Cheesecake: Bye bye now *shoots the tube*

[remydat]

Steelcan wrote...

 Because the elderly, children, non-combatant, they all deserve to die for doing nothing.

Nope, they don't deserve to die.  They die because idiots among their people picked a fight it couldn't win.

Modifié par remydat, 30 mars 2013 - 06:00 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

True enough.

Huh, by that logic the Reapers deserve to be destroyed simply because they couldn't stop me from docking the Crucible....

What a beautifully liberating thought.

I'm sure that after the war the Turians, Humans, and Krogan will enjoy ruling the lesser species... Javik would be proud.

. Hopefully the Asari will resist.  We can wipe them out 

Now now, I'm sure we could find some kind of use for them.

They're only good at stripping anyway, might as well let them play that to it's fullest...

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You are perverting natural selection into playing to politics.  Spencer would be proud.

Umm, no you guys are playing politics defending the fleshy organics.  At the end of the day if you try and kill something and it kills you then that is not politics.

. The quarians didnt threaten the geth.  They couldn't have after a certain pint.  But the geth continued to kill the, until the quarians left.  Then and only then did the geth decide to let them live.  After they had left....

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

 Because the elderly, children, non-combatant, they all deserve to die for doing nothing.

Nope, they don't deserve to die.  They die because their idiot race picked a fight it couldn't win.

Right just like the Geth die for being stupid enough to turn to the Reapers, starting a fight they can't win...

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

 Because the elderly, children, non-combatant, they all deserve to die for doing nothing.

Nope, they don't deserve to die.  They die because idiots among their people picked a fight it couldn't win.

. So the ones who supported peace?  Organics don't reach consensus.  Geth do.  They decided it was worthwhile to exterminate their creators.

[Steelcan]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Heh.

Glowboy: Synthetics will always destroy Organics.

Cheesecake: We beat the Geth, despite your best efforts I might add and Javik tells me his people were kicking ass in the Metacon war until you showed up...

Glowboy:...

Cheesecake: Bye bye now *shoots the tube*

I like this human, he understands

[tevix]

@Deinon

That's very interesting. I had not considered that.

It begs one question for me, though:

Why would the geth even taken the time to consider it, or let the reaper on rannoch at all? Legion goes on this rant in ME2 about how they basically exiled the heretics for doing essentially the same thing. They wanted no part of help from the reapers, or HELPING the reapers. They didn't want their protection, their technology, or their advice.

Why would the geth plan for war against the reapers then chat it up like buddies with them shortly after.

Doesn't make sense. Somethings missing.

[remydat]

Steelcan wrote...

 The quarians didnt threaten the geth.  They couldn't have after a certain pint.  But the geth continued to kill the, until the quarians left.  Then and only then did the geth decide to let them live.  After they had left....

Except both sides agree they did.  I have no information to determine when they were no longer a threat.  If you have evidence the Quarians stopped fighting after say 50 million died let me know.  Otherwise, you continue to fight, you continue to die.

[Steelcan]

tevix wrote...

@Deinon

That's very interesting. I had not considered that.

It begs one question for me, though:

Why would the geth even taken the time to consider it, or let the reaper on rannoch at all? Legion goes on this rant in ME2 about how they basically exiled the heretics for doing essentially the same thing. They wanted no part of help from the reapers, or HELPING the reapers. They didn't want their protection, their technology, or their advice.

Why would the geth plan for war against the reapers then chat it up like buddies with them shortly after.

Doesn't make sense. Somethings missing.

. Heretics never existed.... They were a cover!!!!!!  I knew it

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

 The quarians didnt threaten the geth.  They couldn't have after a certain pint.  But the geth continued to kill the, until the quarians left.  Then and only then did the geth decide to let them live.  After they had left....

Except both sides agree they did.  I have no information to determine when they were no longer a threat.  If you have evidence the Quarians stopped fighting after say 50 million died let me know.  Otherwise, you continue to fight, you continue to die.

. When your population is less than one percent of its former strength and your enemy is operating at peak capacity you have ceased to be a threat.

[tevix]

@Remy

Really, the last 20 million...50 million...100 million were a threat?

REALLY? If some hostile force reduced the earths population to 100 million we would be pretty harmless.

There was no justification for that kind of slaughter.

And if the 17 million left hadn't left, they'd all be dead too.

[remydat]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Right just like the Geth die for being stupid enough to turn to the Reapers, starting a fight they can't win...

Which once again, you are free to decide.  Only you guys keep trying to convert me when I have said all along you can do what you want.

[Steelcan]

I have no intention of "converting" you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in your argument