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[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Agree with everything you said. In reality, I would never let Legion upload that reaper code. That thing could be hella dangarous. If peace is not possible, Geth are free to stand up to the Quarians as they are able. If they get screwed, it's not Shepards fault.

Well I guess it is the Geth's fault for not experimenting on dismembered Quarians to develop a weapon that screws with the orgnanic Central Nervous System.

Note to future synthetics, please be sure to carry out questionable experiments on organic subjects so that if you are attacked amidst a potential galatic apocalypse and are left to fend for yourself, you can match the weapon the organics created by experimenting on your dismembered people.

That makes no sense. How do you know they didn't experiment? Dunno if you remember but they used to turn ppl into husks remember? It's not like organics need a network to think which could be f***ed up easily. And the Geth can't even stand up to the Quarians without reaper tech.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

And again, the problem is that you don't believe ACTUAL FACT is factual. You state that you do not believe the books are cannon when they indeed are.

That is not a problem.  You are not going to die if I think elements of a story changed.  In any event, it is irrelevant becuase once again, I answered the question assuming they are canon.  So why do you continue to talk about something that is not relevant for the discussion? 

It means that no debate with you can ever be done seriously, or that your word will ever be considered as applicable here, since you can't debate without at least acknowledgeing the cannon. Regarding cannon as cannon IS part of this debate, since you can't refute at ALL without having cannon back you up. Half the ME universe exists in book or comic, so ignoring it all as actual cannon is headcannoning it. It means no one is ever going to consider your opinions since you disregard factual cannon in favor of your own.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 31 mars 2013 - 09:01 .

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

And AGAIN, that's the point: you can no longer try to pin all this on Gerrel when Tali/Raan are the just as at fault. And Gerrel is understandible because he has every reason to believe the geth are purly hostile to organics. That post has EVERYTHING to do with the point, because it shows the things Gerrel has seen: things that tell him nothing about geth wanting peace with organics. Those events only paint the geth in a worse and worse light, to the point where a sudden attempt to call off the attack sounds utterly retarded. Tali is a deer in headlights who doesn't deal with stressful situations that well, and Raan is simply a wet noodle that doesn't even try to contact the fleet.

And again, the bottom line is Gerrel is working of the information he has. The fault is on Tali and Raan for communication failure. Gerrel isn't at fault for pressing his advantage against an avowed enemy of the galaxy.

You confuse my talking sh*t about Gherel for sh*ts and giggles with me caring to pin the sole blame on him.  I really don't care which Quarian you choose to blame as.  The fact is one or more of the stupid Quarians gets everyone killed.  And this is not some great revelation.  I said this to you already on page 61. 

http://social.biowar...dex/16294666/61

remydat wrote...



I don't care what ME2 or two organics thing the Geth will do.  What did the Geth do in this scene?  Would the Geth in this scene have attacked if Gherel had stopped.  Telling me something from ME2 when circumstances have changed is pointless.  

Sorry, either Gherel is the Quarian who causes the downfall of his people or Tali is for not sharing the intel that the Geth will destroy them.  She told him to stand down.  She didn't tell him way.  You and I both know the reason Tali or Shepard doesn't tell Gherel is not because they are pricks or stupid but because it is a quirk of the game that if you don't make the right decisions you don't get the paragon or renegade option to do it.  So give me a break trying to use that as an excuse.  If you want to blame Tali for the death of her people go right ahead.  Either way they are dead because of a Quarian.

So yeah why are we still talking about this.  The Quarian Admirals are stupid.  They can't deliver basically communication when their entire race is counting on it.  So yeah I vote for the Geth and their ability to communicate with each other at the speed of light.  I honestly don't know how they brush their teeth in the morning.

And again, this means that you are STILL prejudiced, openly now, becase you openly admit that you are willing to persicute an entire people for a single quarian. And for something that Shepard can openly prevent. I'm saying that's not right. It's no different then the way the galaxy persicutes the geth for the Heretics, which I thought you hated.

And AGAIN, it all boils down to believing the geth are enemies. A reputation the geth themselves caused. The geth set the tumblers for this in motion long before now.
P.S. I think the quarians have automatic tootbrushing in their helmets. They can't remove them under normal circmstances, so it makes sense for dental hygene to be V.I. automatic. Also, geth abilaty to communicate at the speed of light was their downfall. Xen's viral weapon floodded their connections with garbage data, which killed their consensis ablility and blinded their hyper-sensitive sonar/ladar. That interdependance was what undid them. Also, the geth lost that ability when they got Reaper code. Now, they no longer need to be interconncted. They sacrificed even that for the Reaper upgrades.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 31 mars 2013 - 09:09 .

[remydat]

silverexile17s wrote...

Again, prejudiced. If you don't even care about the cause and circumstance, you can never be qualified to make proper judgement of any kind.
The geth brought their fate on top of themselves by making themselves out as galactic enemy #1 and not doing a thing to change it. You can't prosicute someone for attacking a wanted criminal. Which the geth are by Council law, and by the decleration of war the Alliance and Council still have against them. Therefore, any Court would rule in favor of the invasion, because the geth not being hostile is NOT a known fact.
So acting on so little information will always result in a biased, incompleate or prejudiced picture.

The Quarians signed the Council Non-Agression Pact.  When they first come aboard the ship, they admit they violated it so your analogy is simply incorrect.  Their attack was a violation of the Council Law. 

Not to mention, no you can't just shoot at or attack a wanted criminal if you are not an officer of the law.  Hell in a lot of states you can't even shoot a criminal in your home if they are fleeing.

silverexile17s wrote...

You were again anthromoporphizeing a race with such prejudcied terms, yet accusing everyone else of being childish. Don't you see the contridiction?

No, it is not a contradiction.  You calling a real person a ****** because of a joke about a fictional race in a fictional game is not the same.  I am pretty sure most forums have rules against personal attacks on REAL PEOPLE.  There are no rules about making jokes about FICTIONAL PEOPLE.  You know why?  Because they are FICTIONAL.

Do you think fictional people should have the same rights as real people?

silverexile17s wrote...

It means that no debate with you can ever be done seriously, or that your word will ever be considered as applicable here, since you can't debate without at least acknowledgeing the cannon. Regarding cannon as cannon IS part of this debate, since you can't refute at ALL without having cannon back you up. Half the ME universe exists in book or comic, so ignoring it all as actual cannon is headcannoning it. It means no one is ever going to consider your opinions since you disregard factual cannon in favor of your own.

This is simply incorrect.  As I have been telling you for 10 pages, I have already answered the question assuming the cannon is correct. The answer is on this page.  You have ignored me telling you that I answered assuming the cannon is correct for 9 pages now.

http://social.biowar...ex/16294666/111

Modifié par remydat, 31 mars 2013 - 09:25 .

[remydat]

silverexile17s wrote...

And again, this means that you are STILL prejudiced, openly now, becase you openly admit that you are willing to persicute an entire people for a single quarian. And for something that Shepard can openly prevent. I'm saying that's not right. It's no different then the way the galaxy persicutes the geth for the Heretics, which I thought you hated.

As was stated like 70 pages ago, in the game Tali is my love interest and I choose to make peace.  The peace option is not an option in the scenario presented so you calling me prejudice for making a decision in accordance with the OP suggests you are in the wrong thread.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...


That makes no sense. How do you know they didn't experiment? Dunno if you remember but they used to turn ppl into husks remember? It's not like organics need a network to think which could be f***ed up easily. And the Geth can't even stand up to the Quarians without reaper tech.

The Heretics turned people into husks.  There is no evidence the other Geth experimented on organics as far as I am aware.

How would you feel about the Geth developing a biological or a chemical weapon based on testing Quarian subjects that was able to bypass their environmental suits?  In fact, I thought that people were up in arms about them using chemical weapons during the morning war?

The point is you are advocating a morally hazardous position.  It basically rewards the party that does the most morally questionable experiments in order to defeat the enemy.

[tevix]

I have been considering SAK's earlier point for a bit.

It would almost seem like denying the geth the RC is the most neutral choice between the two. By doing that, you return the conflict to the state it was in before either you or the reapers interfered. Unfortunately since the quarians posess proven geth-defeating technology the geth have essentially no chance at fighting back.

Remy, however, also makes an interesting point. That technology came from what could be considered unethical and unacceptable study. In ME2 its made plain as day that they were performing experiments to sentient geth. If you believe the geth/synthetics on equal terms with organics, then this should present an ethical dilemma.

I do, and it does.

[Da Don Giovanni]

S.A.K wrote...

And the Geth can't even stand up to the Quarians without reaper tech.

Partially correct, the Geth Dreadnought the Geth built without Reaper tech was invunerable to anything the Quarians threw at it.

[Argolas]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

And the Geth can't even stand up to the Quarians without reaper tech.

Partially correct, the Geth Dreadnought the Geth built without Reaper tech was invunerable to anything the Quarians threw at it.

They wouldn't have been that effective without the Reaper upgrades though, the Geth were clearly losing. Even that dreadnought would have fallen apart eventually, it can't be as good as a Souvereign-class Reaper.

[MetioricTest]

I would choose The Krogan to wipe them both out

[robertthebard]

Too many nested quotes to try to clean it up, but, there is a simpler, more logical reason why the Geth weren't at Earth, or Palaven: Open hostility towards the Geth after the attack on the Citadel. There is, in fact, an email in Liara's console in 3 that has a soldier having to apologize to a Geth Prime for shooting at it after they became allies. There is, also, the little problem of being engaged in an active war with the Quarians. They were trying to decide what to do in 2. This comes out in Tali's loyalty mission. It's no big, well kept secret, from Shepard anyway.

In 3, immediately after you get reinstated as a Spectre, you can read, on the Spectre terminal, that the Quarians are indeed preparing for war, they are recalling all of their people on Pigrimage, and are even buying hardware that, according to the text in either that terminal, or one your personal emails on the Normandy when you can first check it, can be used to mount guns, something that we learn the Quarians did indeed do with their Live Ships.

I find it amusing that people are willing to attempt to shout people down for ignoring the books as canon, and yet will ignore events in game as canon, because it, what, doesn't fit with what they believe happened? Stating that the Geth would have taken the Reapers offer without being attacked by the Quarians is head canon. We will never know if they would or not, since they were attacked by the Quarians, and we know, for a fact, that the Quarians were planning to do so at least 6 months prior to events in ME 3. This is, however, exactly why I feel that anything that isn't the game should never be considered canon.

Just one other point of note here; the Geth are not the only AI that came into awareness and found themselves in a war with organics. There is another in game example of a VI becoming an AI and having to be shut down. It happens in ME 1, anyone care to venture a guess? Hint: It has nothing to do with the AI on the Citadel.

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...


That makes no sense. How do you know they didn't experiment? Dunno if you remember but they used to turn ppl into husks remember? It's not like organics need a network to think which could be f***ed up easily. And the Geth can't even stand up to the Quarians without reaper tech.

The Heretics turned people into husks.  There is no evidence the other Geth experimented on organics as far as I am aware.

How would you feel about the Geth developing a biological or a chemical weapon based on testing Quarian subjects that was able to bypass their environmental suits?  In fact, I thought that people were up in arms about them using chemical weapons during the morning war?

The point is you are advocating a morally hazardous position.  It basically rewards the party that does the most morally questionable experiments in order to defeat the enemy.

I am not sure about the doing or not doing experiments. That was back in ME1 and there was no clues about Heretics back then.

If I am not mistaken, those experiments were done on reassembled Geth parts which are not sapient. And that weapon Quarians used on the Geth was like a flash bang granade which blind and disorientate the Geth. Last time I checked those were none lethel and can't be compared to chemical or biological. I don't recall anything like you say being done in game. Still my point stands. If you upload that code, you are essentially providing reaper tech to all Geth to wipe out the Quarians. If you don't you allow the war to continue without reaper/3rd party involvement which is survival of the fittest like you were saying. Don't know about you, but my Shepard won't condemn the Quarians to death himself. So no reaper tech.:innocent:

[milkytoast]

I think why the Geth have so many supporters is that they are presented as the Paragon choice, The Top Right was always the Paragon choice. For a decision like that it should have been made more neutral.

If you want to just look at History, removing strange stats like Total Ready ness and strange game stats.

Quarians
pros
Tali has been helping you for a while
The Quarians have practical experience fighting synthetics.
Ships are built with organic needs in mind, can assist easily with evacuation.

cons
That one general is kind of a jerk
Were jerks to the Awakened Geth


Geth
Pros
Legion helped you out for a bit
No biological drawbacks.

Cons
They have sided with the reapers on more than one occasian
They are technically now related to the reapers and have more reason to side with them
Have a history of slaughtering organics.


So this math to me points out Quarians 1, Geth -1, for a snap genocidal judgment I would have to side with the Quarians... again. I was having trouble with this, but I think it was only because the Geth were presented with a Bias as the Paragon choice.

Feel free to manipulate the pros and cons to your hearts content, I felt I was more than fair to the Geth.

[Da Don Giovanni]

MetioricTest wrote...

I would choose The Krogan to wipe them both out

I don't knowa Geth Prime Platoon on Platinum can lay down some hurt.

Sent from Android for Galaxy SIII

[S.A.K]

Remember the last choices in Rannoch?
1. Upload the code.
2. Let Geth die.
I am sure most casual players would just select upload the code. And they wouldn't bother replaying the game.

[Khelish]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

I don't knowa Geth Prime Platoon on Platinum can lay down some hurt.

I can do just as much damage with my QMM, QFE, and QFI.

[Auld Wulf]

The problem silver and people like him tend to have is that it's easy to adjust your mind to a racist sort of setting because that's easier to comprehend. It's simpler. Nicer. Because complexity requires lots of philosophy and thinking. So it's easy to consider the Reapers as one lump sum. In other words -- to a racist mindset, all people of a certain "type" are the same, even if the mindset is primarily depicting extremists. The case here is the geth versus the heretics. I mean, it's a painfully obvious bit of symbology to me that they're dealing with issues of racism in the game, it's kind of funny that people are thus being racist.

I mean, the geth are no different than the Muslims, or Americans, or the Irish, or any other group of people that have an extremist faction. A large factor of racism is believing that an extremist faction represents the entire group, it's easier to deal with. That way you can dismiss them as monsters and/or unwashed savages without having to think of the complexity of their society and culture as a whole.

What we're dealing with here is Silver's headcanon that the geth built the Reaper base before they built the megastructure. This is ridiculous because Legion already has stated that the megastructure was the only thing they were building and devoting resources to. But let's fight headcanon with headcanon to expose the very peculiarly racist-like mindsets. There are, at the very least, two factions of the geth. The orthodox geth, and the extremist heretic faction.

Note that the orthodox geth refer to them as heretics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy

"Heresy is any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs."

The orthodox geth desire peace and cooperation with organics. They built Legion to that end. They even gave Legion adorable little wiggly eyebrows so that organics would find him more relatable. Essentially, Legion is a peace envoy who's trying to understand and make peace with any organics he's able to. But where's the Alliance peace envoy? The Council peace envoy? Or the peace envoy from the quarian peoples? Even one ambassador? Even one diplomat?

The only diplomat is Legion.

Legion is of the orthodox geth. A group of geth who consider the other faction of geth to be heretics. Please see the definition of heresy again. Legion does not agree with the heretics nor their actions. However, to the racist mindset, the geth are all heretics, and they're all one, big happy family. This is because the racist mindset doesn't comprehend that people of another ethnicity might actually agree with them. That the people they're demonising as monsters might also find the extremist groups repugnant.

So here's the thing. Headcanon time: Who's to say that the heretics hadn't moved in on Rannoch after the orthodox geth left? Who's to say that the heretics didn't build that bunker? Who's to say that the heretics weren't just waiting for the quarian military to attack and provoke the orthodox geth so that the heretics seem more sympathetic? See, to my mind, the heretics had this all figured out, and the quarian military played right into their metallic hands by blowing up the peaceful megastructure of the orthodox geth.

This also meant that the heretical geth had the numbers now to strong-arm the orthodox geth into new opinions. Furthermore, since the orthodox geth were terrified for their very state of existence at that point, it gave the heretics more political clout. Essentially, in my headcanon, I think that the quarian military forced the orthodox geth into bed with the heretics. The heretics are as logical as the orthodox geth, they just have different motivations. As such, the heretics likely predicted that the military would make a pre-emptive strike.

Why?

The quarian military doesn't want to see the geth as anything more than one species. They're racist. They see the extremists but they blame the whole.

That would be like me blaming all of the quarian peoples for the idiocy of their military (which I don't do).

The funny thing though is because the quarians are racist, and because the quarians are familiar, it's conditioned a lot of people into being similarly racist. The same thing happens in social circles in everyday life. If your friends are all racist against a certain group of people, you're going to want to be racist too in order to fit in. You might not even agree with it at first, but after a while it settles in and then all you know is how to hate. That's fascinating to me. It stops a person from having a truly objective mindset.

And then we have war, where innocents die. Because hey! The extremists totally represent everyone.

The sad part is is that the orthodox geth only went running to the heretics because they didn't know what the heck else to do. To look at it from the perspective of the orthodox geth, the quarian military is akin to the Reapers. The orthodox geth going to the heretics is sort of like us going to Cerberus.

Think about that for a bit.

[Khelish]

S.A.K wrote...

Remember the last choices in Rannoch?
1. Upload the code.
2. Let Geth die.
I am sure most casual players would just select upload the code. And they wouldn't bother replaying the game.

The choices themselves are painted with bias. It should have said:

Let the Quarians die

Let the Geth die

There was no correct choice in that situation. Either choice ends with an entire culture and people killed.

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

Khelish wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

And you are the one mispelling Gerrel's name over a petty dislike. Again, don't call the kettle black.

Inb4 Reammmy says "Gherral" is a fictional character, so mispelling his name shouldn't bug you.

No it shouldn't.  If it does then you probably should log off and go hug a real person. 

Remy, it is not about me or anyone else getting offended at your misspelling of Gerrels name. All this is, is a childish and immature way for you to show dislike for a character.

I dislike the Geth VI. I do not however, go around spelling his name as "Gith IV" just to get reactions out of people. What you are doing is just plain silly. I only ever bring attention to it because it reminds me of a kindergarteners behaviour.

Is he fictional? Yes. Does that excuse you from acting immature? No.

It is spelled Gerrel, not "Gherrel".

[S.A.K]

Auld Wulf wrote...
*snip*

Ok I thought about it for a bit...

Only things I can see from that is.
1. Geth are not that bad and I agree.
2. Some quarians are rasist towards Geth, which they have good reason to be so. None of the Quarians from MW are still alive. Only 17million out of billions are still alive and those are suffering for 300 years because of the Geth. They are still holding their planet which get have almost no use of and kills anyone who comes close.

Point is that Geth have done next to nothing to show they are open for peace. actually they have done the opposite by letting the Heretics run free and almost destroy the galaxy and rest of the Geth do nothing about them untill their own exsistance is threatened. Hell, without Legion even you won't know about the "good" side of the Geth. And he is just one Geth platform. Geth have done nothing other than try to save their own a**es. I don't see any reason for the Quarians(or anyone for that matter) should trust the Geth.

3. On the other hand there are no evidance of Quarians being violent before the MW. It is said they are the once who found most number of relays. Even during MW, Quarians did not use any WMDs. They were careful not to destroy the planet unlike the Krogan. Legion says this itself. And Quarians did build the Geth in the first place.

Saving the Geth and making peace is one thing. But I still don't even remotly see a reason to save Geth by destroying the Quarians.

P.s : What ever their reasons, after siding with reapers all Geth are Heretics. And without potentially dangarous reaper code, Quarians are more powerful then Geth.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...


I am not sure about the doing or not doing experiments. That was back in ME1 and there was no clues about Heretics back then.

If I am not mistaken, those experiments were done on reassembled Geth parts which are not sapient. And that weapon Quarians used on the Geth was like a flash bang granade which blind and disorientate the Geth. Last time I checked those were none lethel and can't be compared to chemical or biological. I don't recall anything like you say being done in game. Still my point stands. If you upload that code, you are essentially providing reaper tech to all Geth to wipe out the Quarians. If you don't you allow the war to continue without reaper/3rd party involvement which is survival of the fittest like you were saying. Don't know about you, but my Shepard won't condemn the Quarians to death himself. So no reaper tech.:innocent:

Tali's father did experiments on live Geth.  That is why during Tali's loyalty mission the ship he is working on is overrun with Geth.  That is why when Legion trys to send this data to the other Geth, Tali freaks out and says if the Geth find out the Quarians did this they will attack.  Xen sends Shepard an email after the loyalty mission saying she saw the research and then she is the one that creates the weapon that disables the Geth.  The flashbang attacks the equivalent of the nervous system of the Geth and that is what disorients or disables them.  That is no different than a synthetic developing a biological or chemical weapon that attacks the nevour system of organics with the purpose of then shooting them to death.

In terms of what causes the Quarians death, it is the fact that Gherel continues to shoot at what he thinks are defenseless Geth.  It is proven in the game that if he stops shooting that the Geth never return fire and peace is achieved.  The uploading of the code is irrelevant.  Gherel under all scenarios either has to be talked down from killing the Geth, be allowed to kill the Geth or be killed by the Geth.  When the peace option is achieved the entire conversation is aimed at convincing the Quarians to stop firing.  The Geth don't have to be convinced of anything.  They just need to see the Quarians have stopped trying to kill them.

So it is not the same.  It is not my fault the game designers made the game this way and yes you could argue from a meta perspective ie as a game player, the way they choose to do it is biased towards the Geth but that is what the game says.  The Game tells me that Gherel is the one who has to be talked down not the Geth.

Modifié par remydat, 31 mars 2013 - 04:43 .

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...
Remy, it is not about me or anyone else getting offended at your misspelling of Gerrels name. All this is, is a childish and immature way for you to show dislike for a character.

I dislike the Geth VI. I do not however, go around spelling his name as "Gith IV" just to get reactions out of people. What you are doing is just plain silly. I only ever bring attention to it because it reminds me of a kindergarteners behaviour.

Is he fictional? Yes. Does that excuse you from acting immature? No.

It is spelled Gerrel, not "Gherrel".

And?  The purpose of language is communicate.  You know who I am talking about and my spelling the name wrong has nothing to do with the arguments being made.  It is completely irrelevant to the topic.

I find it amusing, you find it childish.  Ok, we have different senses of humour.  Below is from rule 3.  I don't see where I am precluded from making jokes about fictional characters.  I do see where personal attacks are forbidden.  So you don't see the problem when you apparently care more about my jokes about fictional characters than you do about people launching personal attacks because they can't take a joke about fictional characters and events.  So no Khelish, it is not the same.  I am violating no rules and am allowed to have a different sense of humour than you.  Personal attacks on real people is expressly forbidden.  I don't care that people make them as if I did I would have reported them to a moderator but trying to morally equate me with them is simply incorrect.

Anyone posting a personal attack on staff, moderators or other Community members will, at the sole discretion of staff or moderators, be banned from the BioWare Social Network without notice and is no longer welcomed.

Modifié par remydat, 31 mars 2013 - 04:39 .

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

Lol, what personal attacks are you referring?

Misspelling a characters name as a "joke" is indeed childish behaviour (AKA immature), and adds nothing of value to the discussion.

Edit: I could care less about someone calling you names. I don't get involved with it. But when you reply to not only me, but everyone else with "Gherrel", it irks me.

Your "sense" of humor with Gerrel's name is not even funny, considering no one has commented on it. I never said you are not allowed to act childish, I simply pointed out how you were acting. 

Acting like that is completely up to you. Your choice.

I'm done responding to you. Just know that whenever you write "Gherrel", I will be laughing not at your "joke", but at the failed attempt of one.

Modifié par Khelish, 31 mars 2013 - 04:55 .

[robertthebard]

S.A.K wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...
*snip*

Ok I thought about it for a bit...

Only things I can see from that is.
1. Geth are not that bad and I agree.
2. Some quarians are rasist towards Geth, which they have good reason to be so. None of the Quarians from MW are still alive. Only 17million out of billions are still alive and those are suffering for 300 years because of the Geth. They are still holding their planet which get have almost no use of and kills anyone who comes close.

Point is that Geth have done next to nothing to show they are open for peace. actually they have done the opposite by letting the Heretics run free and almost destroy the galaxy and rest of the Geth do nothing about them untill their own exsistance is threatened. Hell, without Legion even you won't know about the "good" side of the Geth. And he is just one Geth platform. Geth have done nothing other than try to save their own a**es. I don't see any reason for the Quarians(or anyone for that matter) should trust the Geth.

3. On the other hand there are no evidance of Quarians being violent before the MW. It is said they are the once who found most number of relays. Even during MW, Quarians did not use any WMDs. They were careful not to destroy the planet unlike the Krogan. Legion says this itself. And Quarians did build the Geth in the first place.

Saving the Geth and making peace is one thing. But I still don't even remotly see a reason to save Geth by destroying the Quarians.

P.s : What ever their reasons, after siding with reapers all Geth are Heretics. And without potentially dangarous reaper code, Quarians are more powerful then Geth.

I'm going to disagree with the highlighted portion above in principle.  There is never a justification for racism.  There is rationale for them to hate the Geth, even if the motivation equals out to being self inflicted.  But, that does not mean they are justified to be racist. 

There's also a timeline to consider.  I don't know that there are references to when they discovered relays, but it would seem likely that they became wandering explorers after they were forced to become wandering explorers by losing their home to the Geth.  We are, however, uninformed as to what kind of people the Quarians were.  However, to touch on something you mentioned earlier, I don't think it was likely that they kept organic slaves.  Part of the reaction to the Geth becoming sentient was that they would then be using them as slaves.  This would suggest that they didn't keep organic slaves, if they were concerned about the implications of keeping synthetic slaves.

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

Lol, what personal attacks are you referring?

Misspelling a characters name as a "joke" is indeed childish behaviour (AKA immature), and adds nothing of value to the discussion.

Edit: I could care less about someone calling you names. I don't get involved with it. But when you reply to not only me, but everyone else with "Gherrel", it irks me.

Your "sense" of humor with Gerrel's name is not even funny, considering no one has commented on it. I never said you are not allowed to act childish, I simply pointed out how you were acting. 

Acting like that is completely up to you. Your choice.

I'm done responding to you. Just know that whenever you write "Gherrel", I will be laughing not at your "joke", but at the failed attempt of one.

I was referring mainly to a certain poster calling me a ****** because I made a joke about fictional characters.

The thread is not about you or my views on what is or is not childish.  It is about the game.  I see no rule requiring me to conform to your personal notions of what you find funny or what you find childish.  That is what PM is for.  You are adding nothing to the discussion about ME3 by posting your opinion of me and my jokes.  I am not in the game and thus am not suppose to be a topic of discussion.

And if you are laughing at my failed attempt at a joke then sweet. I don't care if you laugh at the joke or laugh at me for making a bad one.  It's not that serious bro.

Gherel

Modifié par remydat, 31 mars 2013 - 05:15 .