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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Khelish wrote...

remydat wrote...

Bravo on killing the hostage in a hostage situation.

The hostage was stupidy enough to get captured, this means they deserved it!

*Yay Renederp logic!*

[Xilizhra]

Khelish wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And your actions remain heinously unnecessary and vile, should you take them over peace.

Keelah!!!

My God!

THIS THREAD IS "IF YOU CANNOT MAKE PEACE"....................................

Then either your Shepard is an idiot screwup, in which case there's no hope either way, or Gerrel's even more of an obstinate ass, in which case I'll choose the geth more or less by default, because if he wants to throw away the life of the quarians after I explain the whole upload thing, there's nothing I can do about that.

[Khelish]

Xilizhra wrote...

Again, you will allow the hostage of millions of innocent civilians because of the actions of Gerrel?

Gerrel stands down when you tell him of the upload, fyi.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Heeeeeeeeey Xilizhra you might want to cut back on all the unpleasantness.

I'm not a monster for destroying the Reapers, you aren't a monster for picking whichever non-red ending you pick so let's just have everyone take a chill pill and kick a Volus or something.

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

Again, you will allow the hostage of millions of innocent civilians because of the actions of Gerrel?

Gerrel stands down when you tell him of the upload, fyi.

Can you please consult with Silver?  He seems to think the majority of the Quarians vote for War.  You guys need to come up with a consistent message here.

And you elect sh*tty leaders then you have to live with the consequences.  If I can't trust 3 Admirals to communicate a message to save their civilization without me having to mico-manage them then I am sorry, I don't need them waging a war with the Galaxy's survival in the balance.

This is a simple message.  Stand down or you will die.  3 Admirals can sort it out without me getting involved.  This is war not charity.  It pains me to say this because Tali is my true love.  But true love don't win wars and neither does incompetent admirals that can't deliver simple messages to each other.

I mean for f**k's sake, If I told that parrot SAK was talking about yesterday tell the Quarians to stand down or they will die, I am pretty sure he could repeat that message so I might as well go with the Geth and a talking parrot if I can't trust the Quarians to be smarter than said parrot.

Modifié par remydat, 02 avril 2013 - 07:20 .

[Hazegurl]

remydat wrote...

Let's say a new disease called Legion will appear in 5 years.....

So again, the reproduction process creates genetic diversity irrespective of the environment.  We simply don't notice that diversity until something in the environment forces us to take note of it.

New disease called Leigon, I like that. But yeah I get what you mean. I'm just saying that synthesis seems to cut off evolution by any other means but natural selection through mating parents. While a powerful cause of evolution it is not the only means by which evolution can take place. Making it the sole cause goes against what I feel is the beautiful and unpredictable nature of it. What if humans could evolve into something even greater than what Synthesis could give us but now that path is closed and locked forever because we have removed what we needed to go down that path. 

[Ryzaki]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

...You kill off the quarians because lol reasons...then you kill off the geth because screw star brat?...

That's...monstrous.

At least I only have the "blood" of one species on my hands for killing the Reapers.

Cheesecake if you're one of those people claiming someone's monstrous because of actions in a VIDEO GAME I'm gonna lose all respect for you.

I mean really.

IC reasons =/= metagame reasons. IC reasons are Quarians made their choice and Geth would be more useful to my Shep and Destroy because honestly...Shep's goal from the beginning of the series was to destroy the Reapers. Not control them not somehow make everyone else in the galaxy like them.

Metagame reasons are because yeah screw them and the horse they rode on and those derptastic endings are an insult to my intelligence.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 07:23 .

[Steelcan]

If you didn't give Legion to Cerberus you are doing it wrong.

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

Can you please consult with Silver?  He seems to think the majority of the Quarians vote for War.  You guys need to come up with a consistent message here.

"The Civilian Fleet didn't want this war..."

Silver and I don't always see eye to eye, just as you don't see eye to eye with your supporters.

And you elect sh*tty leaders then you have to live with the consequences.  If I can't trust 3 Admirals to communicate a message to save their civilization without me having to mico-manage them then I am sorry, I don't need them waging a war with the Galaxy's survival in the balance.

In that case, I guess all the German people in WWII deserve to die. Because when they eleceted Hitler, he made promises of good fortune. 

No, I don't give a **** about godwin.

This is a simple message.  Stand down or you will die.  3 Admirals can sort it out without me getting involved.  This is war not charity.  It pains me to say this because Tali is my true love.  But true love don't win wars and neither does incompetent admirals that can't deliver simple messages to each other.

Wow, well, Tali doesn't love you back, considering she would rather die than be with you... 

[Xilizhra]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Heeeeeeeeey Xilizhra you might want to cut back on all the unpleasantness.

I'm not a monster for destroying the Reapers, you aren't a monster for picking whichever non-red ending you pick so let's just have everyone take a chill pill and kick a Volus or something.

You personally may not be. But the question is about the characters (except for those who are already demonstrated antisynthetic bigots IRL).

Again, you will allow the hostage of millions of innocent civilians because of the actions of Gerrel?

Gerrel stands down when you tell him of the upload, fyi.

Yes, the premise here is that I cannot make peace; the most logical reason for this is Gerrel not standing down.

[Venom man4]

If peace isn't possible I see this as just a choice of personal favorite, and not moral.

Tali is my LI so I would pick the Quarians if peace wasn't possible.

Is that a very moral decision to pick your gf's race over another simply cause she is your gf? No but in this choice if you can't do peace than there isn't much moral can come into play anyway.

[silverexile17s]

robertthebard wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Again, you are looking at this as if what Shepard knows is common knwoledge to everyone else. It isn't. IDK if you realize this, but next to no one knows that there was a split between the geth.
Also, that statement is invalidated by this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEIGWV7Fuw
Note the Salarian Councilor in particular: "we have found nothing to suggest Sovergien was not a geth creation."
The Council believes that Sovergien was a geth-created dreadnought. The information about Sovergien IS exactally that: information that only Shepard knows. Anyone else like Anderson has no proof that anyone else believes.
The first point is actually compounded and validated by that vidio you gave, which Tali flat-out states the geth butchered millions upon millions. Also, Mass Effect: Revelation tells us that the current quarian population is less then 1% of the original race. Hence the Billion's desegnation.
The second point, third point, and fourth point are also compounded and validated by this video as well, as you should again note Tali's words at the end of this video: "Why do you think they cut themselves off from the rest of the galaxy? Why do you think they've killed every organic being who's ever tried to contact them?"  These two things showed that the geth both ignored any attempt to contact them, never tried contacting the rest of the galaxy,  and killed any organics that came to their doorstep. And again, that conversation has an option that wasn't chosen:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1bYrWUK7fw&list=PL41D7BD67BB110396
Tali tells you that they share Saren/Sovergien's desire to attack organics. That view is what everyone thinks of them.
The fifth point, sixth point, seventh point and eighth point is how the galaxy at large sees the geth. They see a large group of geth assault Eden Prime, Feros, and the Citadel, and infiltrate Noveria. The galaxy believes the geth are openly hostile.
The ninth point is the ME2 mission "N7: Save Crashing Ship" in which the Heretics hijack a ship loaded with military-grade munitions and attempt to suicide run the colony there.
The tenth point is the simple truth. I don't recall any attempt by the geth to disclaim the Heretics actions as their own. Theefore, everyone assumes the geth attacking the Citadel represent the rest of the geth.
And for the eleventh point, WRONG. it WASN'T the same attack listed twice. First they were prosicuted for attacking the Citadel in ME1. NOW, in ME3, the Council knows that Sovergein was a Reaper, and can now openly accuse the geth of being Reaper allies. There was a difference in what they were prosicuted for between games. In ME1, they were being prosicuted for being enemies of organics. Now, in ME3, with the Reaper's existance confirmed, they are able to prosicute the geth for being associated with Reapers.
IDK how you missed that. I differentated it as clear as I could make it. First they blamed them for attacking the Citadel, then after the Reapers were confirmed to exist, they blamed the geth for being Reaper allies too.
See? NOT listing the same event twice. Listing the change in viewpoint of the event after the Reapers were confirmed to be real.

And again, wrong, because Anderson directly tells you that the geth are still at war with the Alliance and Council. And Tali's viewpoints on the geth joining Saren because they had the same goals is how everyone sees the geth. They thought the geth did what they did because they agreed wholeheartedly with Saren. They didn't know anything else about the situation. The Council took what happened as evidence that all geth were naturally hostile to organics. They believed the fact that Saren was able to motivate them to attack the Citadel itself was proof of the geth having inbread hostility to organics.
And AGAIN, you are confused. I am simply stating how The Council and the wider galaxy see the geth. I never said it was my personal opinion on the geth. I am simply stating what everyone esle thought the geth were.

Except that, by the time we get to Rannoch in ME 3, Shepard knows that there are factions within the Geth, and whether or not the rest of the galaxy knows or not is irrelevant, because Shepard is the one making the decision.  In that conversation, Tali and Shepard are both in the dark about the Heretics, and Tali is basing her opinion about them sharing the Reaper's goals entirely on what's happening now, and what she knows about the MW, and after, and frankly, from the perspective they have at the time, it is a valid assumption.  We are, however, not making our choice based solely on one conversation, nor on one game.  If the Geth really shared the Reaper's goals, then Shepard dies on the derelict Reaper in ME 2.  Because Legion had a perfect head shot.

This is, as someone else pointed out, and as I pointed out much earlier, interesting to talk about, but moot.  You will base your decision on what you think or feel, and I will as well.  I have done paragon and renegade save both, and paragon and renegade save one or the other.  I did a Renegade save both last night that had lines I haven't seen in any vids, and that I hadn't gotten before.  Does this mean that I can't make up my mind?  Maybe it means that each of those Shepards interpreted the data differently?  Maybe one or two of them shared your views, that the Geth are irredeemable, and maybe other Sheps saw something that made them worth saving, even if that meant that the Quarians weren't.

Regarding the death toll from the MW, and the contradiction between what is presented in the vid I provided, and the novels some like to quote, there is a discrepancy there, and to me, the game wins out in this case.  That billions of Quarians died as a result of the war is likely, but millions upon millions is different than billions.  There is the fact lots of Quarians that died likely died during the initial phase of becoming nomads.  Those that couldn't adapt, or got sick, or whatever.  We can say:  But the Geth are the reason that they are forced to do so.  If we choose to ignore facts in evidence, this is a correct assumption.  However, we also know that the Quarians struck first, assuming that the Geth would indeed attack them.  No matter what happens after the Quarians attack, no matter what the Geth, Heretic or not do after this happens, we cannot know that this would have been the result.  We can also assume that Legion is lying about it, except that we have empirical evidence that the Geth didn't want to wipe out the Quarians.  That evidence is, quite simply, that there are still Quarians.  I have no reason to discount the statement by Legion that they didn't pursue the Quarians and finish them off because they didn't pursue the Quarians and finish them off, even though they were in a position to be able to do so.

Despite claims in the book that the Geth were openly hostile, I have nothing in game that suggests that they were aggressive about this hostility because nobody had seem them cross the Veil into Terminus or Council space until the events in ME 1.  However, in their place, I doubt that I would view organics any differently.  From the Geth perspective, they were peacefully co-existing with the Quarians, and then the Quarians started a war.  They have no data to suggest that the same wouldn't happen again with other organics.  But before we get all "but they were openly hostile to anyone that tried", do you have From Ashes?  Right after you get Javik rescued from Eden Prime, you get a com message from Liara because the guards won't let her talk to him.  Why?  Alliance Regs regarding a new species:  Assume hostility.  Are the Geth any less suspicious of other species?  Apparently, based on the vid I linked, no.  If we are going to condemn the Geth, then we must also condemn the Alliance for having rules that are similar to the actions they take?

Final thought:  The Council is privy to Shepard's mission reports.  Any data that Shepard has can be assumed to be shared with both the Alliance, and the Council.  In ME 1 and ME 3, Shepard reports to both.  In ME 2, there is a wide variety of ways you can deal with it, but for me, Paragon or Renegade, I dislike Cerberus, and so, where the game gives me a choice, any data I get that may be harmful to Cerberus, such as the one mission where you find their captured agent in ME 2, I send that data to the Alliance.  Every time but one, where I kept it for myself.  I played ME 1, and I played it Completionist just about every game, and so, I know about what Cerberus stands for.  However, to tie back to this dialog, you have plenty of people here willing to dismiss ME 1, or that never played it, that want to believe that Pragia was a rogue faction.  They want to believe that Cerberus in ME 3 was mischaracterized, despite what happened in ME 1.  I see this as a parallel to what happens with the Geth.

AGAIN, What Shepard knows is NOT common knowledge to the rest of the galaxy. Therefore, NO ONE is going to understand and accept Shepard's judgement like that because they don't know where the Commander is comming from.
And last I checked, knowing there was a Heretic split doesn't magically erase the billions of deaths they caused, or the dozens of diplomatic ships they blew up over the past 300 years.
And AGAIN, no one else can take the word of Legion, because (a) Legion openly admitted he isn't directly connected to the geth consensis, ( he has zero proof to back his claim, aside from the blind faith Shepard places in him, © Shepard's regarded as not being the most sane given the Cerberus ties and the Alpha Relay event, and (d) no one even seems to know he's an authentic geth. They all assume he's a salvaged and reprogramed trophy bot, or a LOKI with a geth shell over it.

And Regardless, you are still seeing two different sides of the arguement. You can't discredit the other. You need to take all of it into account.
And AGAIN, you confuse yourself. *I* Never said that I think the geth are irredimiable. I said everyone else in the ME universe thinks that, and listed the reasons why their distruct of the geth was logical.

But AGAIN, didn't I just tell you that those vids were pre-Morning War, and thus have zero association with the actual warfare? Those videos are from BEFORE War broke out. And again, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't using two videos of, what, a dozen people, to judge two races with billions on each side a biased way to look at this? I stated this before, but it's like using Kelly Chambers as a template for what everyone in Cerberus -- a human-centric, alien-opposed supremist group -- must be like. It's judging the many based on the actions of  the few - the very thing you chastized the Council for doing. We saw a single quarian arrested after resisting an order from a police officer. Then we saw a quarian killed after they used a bomb to breach a safe house, meaning the death may have been an accedental casualty from the bomb, not an intentional death.
And AGAIN, the current quarian population is listed in Mass Effect: Revelation as being less then 1% of what the original was. That would mean the race numbered in the single-digit Billions as one point
And NO, that's not a factor, because that's what the suits were for. They wore those suits when they fled from Ranncoh. And their ships were sterrle. So no, the death toll in fleeing their world was not substancial. Certinly not in the millions. Hundreds at the very least, if even that. Honestly, it's almost like you are looking for anything to shift the death toll away from being geth-caused.
And yes, the fear of what the geth were becoming panicked the quarians. And as we've seen in the Cidatel DLC's Council Archives, the Council wouldn't have been forviving of the A.I.s. Do you really think they wouldn't have punished the quarians for creating the geth. The last race to break Council rules were the krogan. Look how that ended. The quarians lost their s*** at the notion that if the geth didn't rise up and kill them, the Council would bring the hammer down on their heads. Literally a rock and a hard place. So they panicked and attacked.
Also, Legion states that the reason they didn't wipe out the quarians was because they couldn't calculate the mathmatical remafacations of wiping out an entire race. Not the moral implications - the mathmatical ramafacations.

As far as the rest of the galaxy knows, the Attack on the Citadel was the proof. I state again, what Shepard knows is not common knowledge to the rest of the cosmos. Certenly it's not common knowledge to the quarian flotila. And again, the geth's retaliation was far more brutal then it needed to be. They butchered billions of people, even alien visitors that had no impact on the conflcit, like Erinya's bondmate, who was there studying quarian music. I find it unlikely that there wasn't any oppertunity to take prisoners, or target military holdings alone.  In ME3, on Rannoch when you are looking for Admiral Koris, if you brought Javik as the other teammate, then Tali will exposit how the geth never learned to take any prisoners. Javik will write it off "as expected of synthetics."

And again, using Alliance standards to judge the quarians and geth is, to quote Legion "benign anthromorphisim. Each race must be judged by their own standards." You can't judge the geth based on Alliance regulations. And Javik hardly broadcasts his intentions aside from wanting to kill Reapers. To quote Liara  "Javik is his usual forthcomming self." It's easy to assume hostilities when the other side makes little attempt to boradcast their intentions.
The ships that came to make contact with the geth hailed them on all frequencies with messages of coming in peace. The geth shot them down instantly.
And then turn it around, look at how the galaxy assumed hostility with how the geth did nothing to broadcast their intentions, and the pciture looks pretty diffinitive to the avarage passerby.

Again, the Council hasn't got solid proof. And I have yet to see a Cerberus supporter here, or in many other places. And again, Cerberus' work doesn't stop Shepard from turning to them when the Alliance refuses to listen. In spite of those crimes - rachni cloning, breeding and deployment, experimenting with Thorian creeepers, modifying husk implants, killing an Alliance Admiral (Kahoku), setting up the Akuze thersher maw massicare, then trying it again on Edolus. It's obvious they aren't on the right side. I'm surprised you'd try to use that as an example. Cerberus turned out to be what people in the galaxy thought it was in ME3. Why would anyone in the galaxy assume different of the geth?

[Xilizhra]

And I have yet to see a Cerberus supporter here, or in many other places.

Steelcan.

[Steelcan]

Venom man4 wrote...

If peace isn't possible I see this as just a choice of personal favorite, and not moral.

Tali is my LI so I would pick the Quarians if peace wasn't possible.

Is that a very moral decision to pick your gf's race over another simply cause she is your gf? No but in this choice if you can't do peace than there isn't much moral can come into play anyway.

. Ignoring the "moral" discussion, there is also a practical one.  Who should you trust?  The people who shave already offered you their fleet or the people who have sided voluntarily with the Reapers, again.

[Khelish]

Ugh...

I need to stop posting here...

[silverexile17s]

Xilizhra wrote...

How prejudiced. You should know that the vast majority willingly voted to send the Migrant Fleet to war. By quarian law, Gerrel is forbiddon to force the fleet into anything without the uninamous support of the other four Admirals. Otherwise, the matter must be voted on by the quarian Conclave senete, which then polls the matter to every single ship in the fleet.
The majority of the 17 million quarians willingly agreed to march to war. So NO, it WASN'T a dictatorship.

So, wait. The geth are right in that the quarians are now a hostile consensus that want to obliterate them all? Did you suddenly switch to the other side?

In any case, my point was about the willingness of some people willing to wipe out a whole species due to denying their personhood.

Again, wrong. The quarians needed their world back. It was either reclaim Rannoch or wait in space to die. It was the same life or death situation that the geth were forced into. Both races made the choice to live. You can't blame the quarians for making the same choice as the geth.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

And I have yet to see a Cerberus supporter here, or in many other places.

Steelcan.

. You rang?

[Xilizhra]

silverexile17s wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

How prejudiced. You should know that the vast majority willingly voted to send the Migrant Fleet to war. By quarian law, Gerrel is forbiddon to force the fleet into anything without the uninamous support of the other four Admirals. Otherwise, the matter must be voted on by the quarian Conclave senete, which then polls the matter to every single ship in the fleet.
The majority of the 17 million quarians willingly agreed to march to war. So NO, it WASN'T a dictatorship.

So, wait. The geth are right in that the quarians are now a hostile consensus that want to obliterate them all? Did you suddenly switch to the other side?

In any case, my point was about the willingness of some people willing to wipe out a whole species due to denying their personhood.

Again, wrong. The quarians needed their world back. It was either reclaim Rannoch or wait in space to die. It was the same life or death situation that the geth were forced into. Both races made the choice to live. You can't blame the quarians for making the same choice as the geth.

Perhaps, but if that's the case, can you blame the geth for making the same choice as the quarians?

[shodiswe]

Unschuld wrote...

remydat wrote...
This is simply false.  Genocide has happened frequently in human history. Serbia, Rwanda, WWII and that is just within the last 100 years.  Entire ethnic groups were wiped from existence over the course of human histroy.  We are the descendents of the a**holes that did it because for whatever reason they considered those people not like them.

I don't think you understand the concept. The concept isn't that "genocide never happens", far from it. The examples of genocide you provided are groups destroying large groups of people because of differences/etc. The group in power rounded up and killed those people. Do any of these examples show that the victimized population were ruthlessly attacking the oppressive groups in power  and thus caused themselves to be killed, i.e. throwing themselves armed with pitchforks at a wall of machine guns?

No?

That's right.
For the Geth to be innocent of genocide, the Quarians would have had to have been throwing their lives away into an endless meat grinder until 99% of them were gone. No sentient being will do this, as they would realize their actions were futile long before that point.  In other words, despite the whitewashing, the Geth must have been rounding up Quarians by the millions and gunning them down like "good olde-fashioned" genocide. Don't bother saying "well that's not possible, Geth would have shown you in the consensus", because the game already provides several examples of Legion lying by omission. The entire  Geth consensus mission could be a sham.

No, the Geth were defenselessly being grinded by the Quarians warmachine whiel they were trying ot initiate contact with the Quarians and the Galactic council. When the Quarians shot their emisaries and ignored their pleas and the citadel council did the same they realized it was hopeless and released chemical and bilogical weaons to fight of an otherwise vastly superior enemy force... Just like hitting the Destroy option at the end of ME3.

There was no meaningful gradual killing of the Quarians that made them back of, but when the Geth grew desperate enough, ruthless enough to use the only option left to them, they did it because they were given no quarter.
The Quarian's then fell dead by the billion the remaining people mostlikely military personel with protective envirosuits retreated to spaceports and fleed.

What happend between the Quarians and the Geth was probably similar to the Destroy option, and you call it monsterous, yet I think you support Destroy yourself. The only thing this thread does show is the immaturity of the human race as a whole. Humany history already tells me this so I don't know why I'm trying to sound shocked or surprised.
Like I said before, "YOU" can't determine the worth of another entity and make it the ultimate truth that everyone has to agree on, if they choose to think differently all you do is create conflict and an enemy.
If at the end Shepard does nothing and just let thigns happen then the Quarians destroy themselves through their hatred and ignorance. They started the fight, the defenders/victims (Geth) finnish it.

What Tali did wrong was that she keept her diplomatic lines secret, she didn't tell her people she had means of negotiating with the Geth. It's possible that it wouldn't have made a difference to the warmongers, but the case should have been made. The Quarians didn't try diplomacy. I like Tali but her people are doing sometihng that's very stupid and wrong in so many way no matter how you look at it. Attacking the Geth is stupid, attacking the Geth while the Reapers are attacking the galaxy is beyond stupid.
If the Quarians had explored space and found a habitable planet 300 years ago then they would have had a lot of time to adapt to their new planet and rebuild their civilization. But, for 300 years they did nothing, all they did was dream of the day when they would attack the Geth. I find it incredibly convenient that the means to do so appeared just as the Reapers were attacking. I wonder if Tali's father had some outside help. Maybe Tali's father was the TIM of the Quarians. Secret group running illegal experiments. If the Quarians had found a previously unknown planet that suited them then there would have been nothign the council could have done, going to war agaistn the Quarians would have been incredibly costly for the Tuians and not worth it. Also it would have looked bad to take away the only planet the Quarians had, one that they had invested into finding. As long as the planet wasn't located in the core of Turian or citadel space then i'm pretty sure they would have let them go, The turians wouldn't start a war in the Terminous systems or even in the Attican traverse and the Terminous systems is a vast area of space, no single species there would have been able to oppose them. But every species and pirate scum there would have been wary of a Turian fleet occupying a neighbouring planet.

EDIT: The "ANTI GETH" people keep saying the Geth used bilogical and otherwise weapons that damaged the planet and it makese sense that it was their last resort after every other peaceful solution was deemed a failure. The Geth spent time and resources into undoing the damage to the planet, (probably because they feelt bad about what they had to do) but they were left with no choice.
Why did this happen? Because one people "the Quarians" and their alies "the council" thought another Species should be killed of and no options were given.

Modifié par shodiswe, 02 avril 2013 - 07:36 .

[Argolas]

So what do you think about this:

The Geth have no specific requirements of where they live as long as the conditions aren't too extreme. The Quarians would probably need dozens of generations to adapt to a new homeworld other than Rannoch. Did the Geth seriously expect the Quarians would not get back at them? The Geth could go anywhere, the Quarians can't...

[Xilizhra]

Argolas wrote...

So what do you think about this:

The Geth have no specific requirements of where they live as long as the conditions aren't too extreme. The Quarians would probably need dozens of generations to adapt to a new homeworld other than Rannoch. Did the Geth seriously expect the Quarians would not get back at them? The Geth could go anywhere, the Quarians can't...

The quarians didn't begin with weird immune systems. In fact, the explanation for that is rather odd. They wrecked their immune systems within the sterile environment of the flotilla... but now they wear suits on the flotilla, the environment they adapted to in the first place? How can it be sterile if they still need suits there? I think the geth just didn't count on the power of Plot crushing quarian immune systems.

[Steelcan]

shodiswe wrote...

No, the Geth were defenselessly being grinded by the Quarians warmachine whiel they were trying ot initiate contact with the Quarians and the Galactic council. When the Quarians shot their emisaries and ignored their pleas and the citadel council did the same they realized it was hopeless and released chemical and bilogical weaons to fight of an otherwise vastly superior enemy force....

. Ummm. Source?

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Argolas wrote...

So what do you think about this:

The Geth have no specific requirements of where they live as long as the conditions aren't too extreme. The Quarians would probably need dozens of generations to adapt to a new homeworld other than Rannoch. Did the Geth seriously expect the Quarians would not get back at them? The Geth could go anywhere, the Quarians can't...

The quarians didn't begin with weird immune systems. In fact, the explanation for that is rather odd. They wrecked their immune systems within the sterile environment of the flotilla... but now they wear suits on the flotilla, the environment they adapted to in the first place? How can it be sterile if they still need suits there? I think the geth just didn't count on the power of Plot crushing quarian immune systems.

. They wear the suits on the flotilla out of tradition.  Stupid excuse yes, but it is given.

[robertthebard]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Heeeeeeeeey Xilizhra you might want to cut back on all the unpleasantness.

I'm not a monster for destroying the Reapers, you aren't a monster for picking whichever non-red ending you pick so let's just have everyone take a chill pill and kick a Volus or something.

I've always wondered, instead of tossing dwarves, since they don't really have any, do they toss Volus instead?

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

remydat wrote...

Can you please consult with Silver?  He seems to think the majority of the Quarians vote for War.  You guys need to come up with a consistent message here.

"The Civilian Fleet didn't want this war..."

Silver and I don't always see eye to eye, just as you don't see eye to eye with your supporters.

In that case, I guess all the German people in WWII deserve to die. Because when they eleceted Hitler, he made promises of good fortune. 

No, I don't give a **** about godwin.

Wow, well, Tali doesn't love you back, considering she would rather die than be with you... 

I don't care about Godwin either.  Hitler spewed his hatred of the Jews long before he got elected.  In fact, that was one of the platforms he campaigned on ie that the Jews were behind the Treaty of Versailles and were the cause of the German people's suffering.  So yeah they knew what they were getting so if I have to choose between them dying or the people who their prejudice targeted then I choose them.

The Civilians Fleet should have stood up for their beliefs then.  Legion didn't want the Reaper Code and he rebelled against his whole race.  Am I suppose to kill the Geth because Admiral Koris and company valued consensus over doing the right thing?

And love forged in the heat of war is often tragic.  Our love is a sad tale of how sometimes true love can't overcome the stupidity of prejudice.  Her sacrifice makes me love her more and gives me the courage to die for the cause in the end rather than choose destory so I can breathe.  If there is an afterlife, I take solace in the fact that we can be reunited without having to deal with the stupidity and incompetence of her leaders.

Modifié par remydat, 02 avril 2013 - 07:41 .