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1. The Reapers care about harvesting the volus for God's sake. If they didn't care about harvestong every species, they why haven't they carpet-bombed everyone? Why didn't they just nuke Palaven, Thessia, Tuchanka, Irune, Dekunna, Earth, Heshtok, and Kajhe from orbit, instead of initating costly ground wars? They are compulsive eaters. They are driven to instinctually preserve all races as Reapers.remydat wrote...
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But again, the Reapers are "compulsive eaters" that are driven to harvest every single race in the galaxy to fulfil the Catalyst's mandate. And the geth have proven that the Reaper code upgrades would allowed them to roll over the geth easily. Why didn't they? The Reapers didn't want to wipe out the quarians. They wanted to keep them imobilized. Reapers are master stragtiests, remember?
And the quarians attacked because it was either retake Rannoch or die.
The geth joined the Reapers because it was either live or die.
BOTH were in a "live or die" situation, so I don't see why you are being so prejudiced against the quarians.
And WRONG. Your point was disproven. The quarians had old maps, hsitroical logs. Raan herself says that she recalls the southern continent having "exclient farmland." And you honestly were thinking a single farm? It's acers of farming land, for dozens of farms. So no, they knew where they were going to farm, so your point is disproven. And again, they have no reason to believe that Rannoch is any different then how it was 300 years ago. It's an arid world. They tend to be hardy. Besides, they recover just fine if the geth aren't around either, so it's not a problem, is it?
Legion himself says that the damage done to the quarian worlds is neglegible except for toxin damage. Physical damage isn't that bad according to him.
And the fact that Haestrom was, and to qoute verbatium from the Codex "one of the first worlds to fall to the geth in the rebellion," seems to disprove that assertion. And it's listed as a quarian colony world in the planetary discription.
And you are forgetting that the quarians are counting on having tons upon tons of geth tech to salvage and recycle/refurbish, like the geth anti-air towers and jamming towers. The geth's fortifacations and crashed ships. They're counting on having more then enough extra cableing, power units, recyclers, heating units recycled from starship heat diffiusion systems, and so-on. So refurbishing those buildings won't be a problem. After all, some of the quarian's ships pre-date the Morning War. If they can keep those ships running for 300 years, repairing cities with their now-abundant resources and assumed masses of geth salvage won't be a chalange.
And AGAIN, salvaged geth fortifacations? They were counting on retaking Rannoch without losing much. They never counted on the geth getting Reaper upgrades.
And I remind you that Kajhe - hanar homeworld - stays intact with simple automated defenses. For some reason, defenses that can be brought down by a single virus has the Reapers scared. Also, Rannoch is out past the Terminus systems, out of the way of the Reaper's main warpath. The Reapers would have to go extremely out of the way to hit Rannoch. And again, Earth anf Palaven lasted six months apiece. Even the volus lasted longer in a gound battle then the space fleets.
The REAL way to screw your race is to load them ALL into ships and take them against the ship-demolishing Reapers. Congrats - you killed your entire race. Nice work<_<
1. The Quarians attacked the Geth and the Reapers so it as an opportunity to enlist the Geth as allies because the Geth faced extinction. There is no evidence that if the Quarians had not attacked that the Reapers would care about harvesting 17 million people when they have planets with billions of people to harvest. It took them centuries to finish off the last cycle and the Quarians would likely be one of the last they worry about.
2. I can find 300 year old maps of earth. Farmland 300 years ago could be poisoned with toxins today, overrun by weeds and bugs that kill off edible plants. Without irrigation systems in place, the soil could be dried up. Where is the electricity to provide power? This makes no sense Silver. It literally would be like me coming to America in 2013 and expecting it to look like what America looked like in 1713. Farmland doesn't just remain pristine and able to sustain large populations when they have not been maintained for 300 years. Also, you do realize toxins get in soil. You go plant trees on excellant farmland that was subjected to chemical warfare and see if it is excellant farmland still. The Quarians have no knowledge that the Geth cleaned up the toxins. Those toxins would naturally make it's way into the soil of those excellant farmlands.
3. The reason the Quarians appear fine post Rannoch is because the Reapers never bother to attack them. This is more evidence that the Reapers don't really care about the Quarians or the writers didn't care because sending two Reapers to Rannoch post peace and with no Geth basically means the Quarians would have abandoned everyone else in the Galaxy to go save their exposed civilians. The Quarians can't really take on the Reapers as a combined fleet and you think they would have survived with half their forces including most of the War ships assisting the war and the other half protecting a planet that can't even feed them yet?
4. The Turians and Humans have billions of people Silver. They take months to defeat because they have billions. The Turians have 17 million. Don't know how many are military but if they go to support the war, the people left behind are going to be mostly civilians and parts of the Heavy Fleet.
5. If my enemy is going to make me extinct then I am blowing up and destroying as much of the planet as I can. I don't just leave everything behind so the people who exterminated me can live good. So it is pretty illogical to think that machines with no sentimental ties to Rannoch would not destroy most of the infrastructure if there was no Reapers. In war, it is referred to as a scorched earth policy. Organics with emotions used it frequently during war and you think the supposed unemotional machines that used chemical weapons won't? When did the Quarians start believing the Geth were so good and pure?
I mean, do the Volus strike you as a threatening race? Do the hanar? do the volus and hanar seem like they warrent an invasion of capital ships? Kajhe is overun is a single day if the defenses are sabotaged. If the Reapers care about harvesting volus and hanar, then they will care about harvesting anything, quarian included.
2. Earth is a very diverse world. Rannoch isn't. In fact, if Rannoch's wildlife had been more diverse and common, the quarians would never have had the colonization problems that forced them to try and take the homeworld back.
Rannoch is an arid world with the same ecosystem on much of the surface. Being an arid world, the plants are hardy, like desert cacti, so water deprevation isn't a problem. They seem confident that they can repair and reseed the farmlands.
Also, the elcetricity would come from salvaged geth ships. Again, you fail to remember my notation: the quarians are counting on having the entire geth fleet to salvage after the war. They are counting on having the wrekage of the largest fleet to salvage in order to get all these raw materials. So no, it DOES make sense. Also, if there is anything the quarians are good at, it's making sterile food.
3. The quarians aren't a chief proirity. The geth were ment to contain them until the Reapers casually finished with at least a few races, then the Reapers would leasurally mozy on up to the Veil and harvest them. After all, if the Reapers are willing to devote resources to harvesting hanar and volus, they will be willing to do the same for quarians. The quarians have the advantage of being in the Terminus systems, which is a far treak out of the way for the Reapers. Most other races in the galaxy are all grouped together in the "south and southwest" edges of the galaxy. The quarians are the only race "north or northeast" of them, on the farthest edge of the galaxy. The only other execption is Heshtok, the vorcha homeworld, which is in the "northwest" corner of the galaxy. And surprise surprise, the Reapers aren't harvesting them yet, instead focusing on supressing the vorcha and preventing them form joining the war, just as they were using the geth to supress the quarians. The quarians are too far out of the way for the Reapers to warrent them a chief harvesting priority. And only a quarter of the fleet would stay. The majority would head out to war, to help with supply runs, Crucible construction, troop transport, colony evacuation, and other logcistics support. They aren't sought after for firepower - they are ment to be the support infrastcucture of the war.
4. Um... I think you ment the quarians have 17 million. And those ships are far overcrowed. 300 per ship at lesst. And again, firepower isn't what Hackett wants them for. Logistcis, troop transport, colony evac, and supply running are what Hackett wants you to get them for.
And again, wrong. Kajhe, the hanar homeworld, is run by simple automated defensive grids. Yet the Reapers are held off by them. Again, the quarians are out of the way, so any Reaper force will be small. Also, the quarians were counting on being able to capture and refurbish the geth's technology. Rannoch alone = defensible, but not perfect.
Rannoch + hundreds of geth automated defenses, and corrosponding jamming towers to prevent Reapers from auto-targeting them, or locating their viligaes and bunkers from orbit = fortified defensible position.
The quarians were counting on not just the natural rocky landscape to defend them, but being able to reprogram the geth's defenses for themselves. Therefore, the Reapers would have quite a thick wall to break through.
5. When didn't they? The fear that the geth would be impure was another motivator. Look at the quarian's position in the Morning War:
If the geth are becoming sapiant, they could rebel and kill us.
If the geth are not sapiant, they can be deactivated and fixed.
If the Council finds out about any of these problems, we are boned.
This mindset is what drove the quarians to panic and attack.
And AGAIN, Tali herself tells you up-front that the quarians thought they were going to reclaim their worlds. They didn't want them to be destroyed. And when they finally were driven from Rannoch, they still didn't destroy the infrastructure because they thought that maybe they could get support form the Council - a futile hope, but they were desperate after literally losing everything.
So you would instead go krogan and bomb your own land to keep the other from getting it, so that not even you yourself can reclaim the land? Last I checked, that didn't work for humans, it didn't work for krogan. The quarians were not planning to be driven from their worlds, so they avoided using scorched earth tactics.
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