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[shodiswe]

Scepsis wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Well, at least the Quarians are consistenth, the Quarians seek war while the Geth don't. In both cases it nearly destroys their entire race and they complain about if after beign the ones to seek the challenge.

Instead of complaining they shoudl have said, damn we lost! 99% of our people died in the war we started but at least we had a lot of fun!

From the Geth's perspective they never wanted to fight and the war would have ended much sooner if they had wanted to end it sooner, instead tey stalled the Quarians looking for alternatives. When they ran out of alternatives then the Quarrians lost pretty much instantaneously. In the end the war lasted that long only because the Geth didn't want it. When the Geth realzied they had no other option the war eneded in an instant and the Quarians had to evacuate immediately and anyone failing to evacuate died soon after.

It's the Quarians fault on both cases. That's what matters to me. It also seems liek the council sided with the Quarians until they lost then they pulled their support and told the Quarians not to provoke the Geth any further out of fear that the Geth might respond less than well to any further provocation after all that they had been through.

The only conclusion I can come to is this: You must really hate people if you honestly sympathise with a pile of servos, ferrofluid, and computer chips over living, breathing, organics.

You honestly come off as a tad bit nutty. 

Regardless, I'm not going to force my quarian girlfriend to watch her people get blown out of the sky over her newly-reclaimed homeworld. Just not gonna happen.

I think the problem here is your partiality, it makes for very poor judgements. Which I can understand even if I think it's very bad since it will have repercussions for millenia to come and have untold amounts of people dying for that decision.
Just imagine of you had been romancing Hitler... Everythign Hitler did would then be okay! Because you prioritise your feeling to that singular person over what's right.

Modifié par shodiswe, 02 avril 2013 - 09:52 .

[remydat]

Scepsis wrote...

remydat wrote...

You mean like TIM and all the other organics Leviathan and the Reapers have enthralled or indoctrinated?  So sweet, you just justified the Reapers use of organics as tools.  They clearly have the ability to program organics to do as they want them to so they have no obligationn to respect an organics right to live.

The Reapers don't respect organics and do use them as tools...
...try a better agrument next time.

And the point is we oppose them for doing so, lol.  You are basically arguing the Geth are mere tools as if that is any less morally questionable than how the Reapers view organics.  Are you going to argue the Reapers have a right to do what they do to organics.  If so then fine.  At least your position is consistently amoral, lol.  If however, you defend organic treatment of the Geth while critcizing the Reaper treament of organics then you are being hypocritical.

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...


Did the Reapers ever attack the Quarians first?  The whole galaxy was being reaped and there is no proof a Reaper even cared about the Quarians before the Quarians delivered the Geth into their arms.  After peace is achieved, I don't recall evidence to suggest the Reapers even bothered to try and attack Rannoch.  So I see no evidence the Reapers had any immediate plans to rip them apart and space.

And here is a thought.  They lived on the Flotilla for 300 years.  Maybe they could have waited a few days or weeks while Tali asked her boyfried to go find Legion and see if the Geth want to agree to peace and unite against the Reapers before launching into war with them.

. It doesn't matter if it is going to happen tomorrow or in two hundred years.  It is going to happen.  Without a world to inhabit the Migrant fleet is useless as a military asset.  

And the geth HAVE ALWAYS been isolationist.  There is absolutely no reason to believe they'd help you on the war.

[remydat]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Except it isn't...you know because we win, and unlike the Geth we didn't have to run crying to space cthulhus to do it.

1.  That was sarcasm.  He was arguing it is fine for organics to think of the Geth as lower lifeforms because they can control them and  countered by pointing out that is exactly how the Reapers think.  If the Geth are suppose to lay down and die because organics are better than them then organics should be laying down and dying because the Reapers are better than them because they can control them.

2.  And no, organics ran crying to the entity that created the space cthulhus to do it or did you miss their entire plan for success relies on the Catalyst.  Oh the irony, lol.

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Except it isn't...you know because we win, and unlike the Geth we didn't have to run crying to space cthulhus to do it.

2.  And no, organics ran crying to the entity that created the space cthulhus to do it or did you miss their entire plan for success relies on the Catalyst.  Oh the irony, lol.

. No we used the Citadel as the Catalyst.  The Crucible blueprints were designed to use the Citadel.  The Catalyst just buts in and calls himself the Catalyst.

[shodiswe]

remydat wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

remydat wrote...

You mean like TIM and all the other organics Leviathan and the Reapers have enthralled or indoctrinated?  So sweet, you just justified the Reapers use of organics as tools.  They clearly have the ability to program organics to do as they want them to so they have no obligationn to respect an organics right to live.

The Reapers don't respect organics and do use them as tools...
...try a better agrument next time.

And the point is we oppose them for doing so, lol.  You are basically arguing the Geth are mere tools as if that is any less morally questionable than how the Reapers view organics.  Are you going to argue the Reapers have a right to do what they do to organics.  If so then fine.  At least your position is consistently amoral, lol.  If however, you defend organic treatment of the Geth while critcizing the Reaper treament of organics then you are being hypocritical.

The thing is this person will justify the action's if their bedmate no matter what they do, I don't think there would be any crime that they woudln't defend just to stay on their bedmates good side.
Family commes before everything else. Loves goes before reason.

[remydat]

Steelcan wrote...

It doesn't matter if it is going to happen tomorrow or in two hundred years.  It is going to happen.  Without a world to inhabit the Migrant fleet is useless as a military asset.  

And the geth HAVE ALWAYS been isolationist.  There is absolutely no reason to believe they'd help you on the war.

Except it does matter because it means you did not have to rush into war.

The reason to believe they may help is Shepard and Tali meeting and talking to Legion.  The have been floating in space for 300 years and by your own admission the Reaper attack might be 200 years from now and you don't think that getting Shepard to talk to the Geth about peace is worth waiting a few days or weeks. 

Sure dude, the amount of time doesn't matter at all, lol.

[shodiswe]

Scepsis wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

I think the problem here is your partiality, it makes for very poor judgements. Which I can understand even if I think it's very bad since it will have repercussions for millenia to come and have untold amounts of people dying for that decision.
Just imagine of you had been romancing Hitler... Everythign Hitler did would then be okay! Because you prioritise your feeling to that singular person over what's right.

Hehehe... wait... was that ment to be serious? 

Yes, it's also why Rann abstains her vote in Tali's trial in ME2. People who are too partial can't see clearly, they are too biased. This is clearly the case here.

[remydat]

Scepsis wrote...

Call it what you want, but you can't **** a machine! 

And Tali aint the only girl in the world.  I am a grown man.  I stopped letting my penis make life and death decisions for me when I was 17, lol.

[remydat]

Scepsis wrote...

"Bedmates?"
Really? It's a damn game dude.
You do realize it isn't real right, so inturn aguring the morals of a fictional decision is stupid, right?

It's no less stupid than making the decision so you can get some fictional a** from Tali.  To each his/her own I suppose, lol.  Or does fictional a** trump fictional morals?

Modifié par remydat, 02 avril 2013 - 10:04 .

[shodiswe]

Scepsis wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

The thing is this person will justify the action's if their bedmate no matter what they do, I don't think there would be any crime that they woudln't defend just to stay on their bedmates good side.
Family commes before everything else. Loves goes before reason.

"Bedmates?"
Really? It's a damn game dude.
You do realize it isn't real right, so inturn aguring the morals of a fictional decision is stupid, right?

Any argument of the morals of a fictional decition would be based on the assumption of the implication it would have if it actualy happend. How else can one have a discussion, it's a theoretical debate. So while it's strictly theoretical and fictional the basis would be realworld morals under the circumstances of the fictional scenario. We can agree on that I hope.

[remydat]

Scepsis wrote...
You must be a geth based on your lack of understaning humor... <_<

You must be a Quarian based on your lack of understanding when someon returns your attempts at humor(murder) with better humor (murder), lol.  

Modifié par remydat, 02 avril 2013 - 10:06 .

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

It doesn't matter if it is going to happen tomorrow or in two hundred years.  It is going to happen.  Without a world to inhabit the Migrant fleet is useless as a military asset.  

And the geth HAVE ALWAYS been isolationist.  There is absolutely no reason to believe they'd help you on the war.

Except it does matter because it means you did not have to rush into war.

The reason to believe they may help is Shepard and Tali meeting and talking to Legion.  The have been floating in space for 300 years and by your own admission the Reaper attack might be 200 years from now and you don't think that getting Shepard to talk to the Geth about peace is worth waiting a few days or weeks. 

Sure dude, the amount of time doesn't matter at all, lol.

.  No it isn't.  The quarians could be cut off tomorrow.  As soon as they have the ability to take their home world the should seize it, and that's what they did.  

[remydat]

Scepsis wrote...

Morals do not apply to kitchen appliances.

Getting laid doesn't apply to fictional characters.

[Hazegurl]

silverexile17s wrote...
Besides, did you see the rest of the galaxy?

You have to admit: ME3 projects an image of a galaxy where mutual trust and rational, long-term thinking isn't in big supply, is it?

I don't know if much would have changed if the Council could tell the Heretics from the rest of the Geth. The Galaxy probably would have just went on to say "How do we know there aren't more heretics" just to keep on keeping on. I mean, in ME1 the council didn't even want to acknowledge humans as being a part of the galatic community or they were very bias toward any other races but the council races. Acknowledging yet another race that could rise up and share power probably wouldn't be in their best interest.

I think if Earth was the last planet to be attacked and we were already dealing with one threat that wished to take it from us, we wouldn't be rushing out to attack the new mega threat either. In the worst case scenario the Geth would have to deal with both the Quarians and the Reapers. Sadly the worst case scenario is just what they got when the Quarians attacked. If they turned down the Reapers and chose to fight them too, they would be dealing with two overwhelming forces. If the Reapers wanted to, they could have just waited the Geth/Quarians war out. Let the Quarians kill the Geth and waste their ships and firepower doing it, then land on Rannoch and destory the Quarians.  Easiest victory ever.

Right, no one should just outright trust the Geth. I've said it before. The Geth doesn't owe the other races anything and they don't owe the Geth anything. No one was interested in making peace with anyone, not even while the Reapers were killing everyone. However, I do have to hand it to the Geth for at least extending a hand for peace themselves without needing Shepard to do it for them.

With all honestly, I hated almost every race in the galaxy. I do like that the writers don't protray any race as being perfect, they all have their screw ups and flaws, including the Geth. They all chose to ignore warnings about the Reapers then act shocked when Reapers show up and they are not prepared. I admit that banking everything on one device isn't the wisest choice, but with nothing else to go on, and the fact that the last races were trying to build it 50,000 years ago, make it a better deal then nothing.

Leigon doesn't concede, he had already offered assistance in stopping the Geth.  There is just no point in talking to Shepard after she says that renegade interrupt. Not going further into the discussion, especially when the other party is dead set on their views doesn't mean they agree with them.  I see no point in him arguing with Shepard who sees the Geth as nothing but machines.

[shodiswe]

Scepsis wrote...

remydat wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

"Bedmates?"
Really? It's a damn game dude.
You do realize it isn't real right, so inturn aguring the morals of a fictional decision is stupid, right?

It's no less stupid than making the decision so you can get some fictional a** from Tali.  To each his/her own I suppose, lol.  Or does fictional a** trump fictional morals?

Morals do not apply to kitchen appliances.

The decision will apply to people getting killed by what you call kitchen appliances, now and for thousands of years to come, and the more you do to escalate the conflict the harder it will be to solve it.
Some may care abotu the "kitchen appliacnes being killed" while most woud lcare aobut the other people who get killed in a meaningless war driven by intolerance. There was no reason to fight other than the Quarians wish to exterminate the Geth.

[remydat]

Scepsis wrote...

Difference of opinions in the works here, folks.
Agree to disagree? I mean, were not moving each other either way and are at a standstill.

But I am enjoying the ****** for tat and witty banter, lol.  I mean just like the Quarians, when you start something sometimes the other person doesn't know when to end it before 2 billion are dead, lol.