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[DeinonSlayer]

shodiswe wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I'll just toss this out there:

The planet Rannoch, an arid planet orbiting an older star in the Tikkun system, is the former quarian homeworld. Almost three hundred years ago, the quarians were driven from Rannoch by the geth, synthetic servants who gained sapience and rebelled against their creators. Although Rannoch is now largely uninhabited, the geth have acted as caretakers, working to repair the planet's ecology, restore ancient structures, and cultivate some farmland.

Rannoch has no insect life. As a result, its pollinating plants evolved to rely on animals for propagation. This symbiosis between flora and fauna is responsible for the quarians' weakened immune systems, which made colonization of other planets extremely difficult after their exile from Rannoch. For many quarians, reclaiming their homeworld from the geth is a matter of both cultural and physiological necessity.

Yes, the necessity of 60 years compared to 100 years. One coudl ask if it's worth it considerign the cost. After a 100 years they would be just as well adapted to their new planet as they were with Rannoch. And in the time time window of the Reaper war that difference makes no difference.

Six hundred. Six hundred years. Get your facts straight, please.

[remydat]

Scepsis wrote...
Well-played, sir. 

Why thank you good sir, lol.

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...


It's a pretty illogical position but look I understand they were desperate and when you are desperate you don't think logically.  However, we can think logically and it makes no sense to me.

. So you find it more logical to side with the guys who have already sided with the Reapers not once but twice.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Not to mention that in a no peace scenario your choice is a race that has already pledged you its support, or one that willingly agreed to serve the Reapers.

Traitors deserve no mercy.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 02 avril 2013 - 10:44 .

[DeinonSlayer]

@Remy
For all we know, a stealth drone got a look at Rannoch or Legion told Tali during the period in which they were communicating. It wouldn't help the Quarians either way that the Geth patched up the planet if they're still killing anyone spotted entering their space.

[remydat]

Steelcan wrote...

It is still better than waiting in space to be obliterated

Isn't that what they did for 300 years?  Or did they trust that the kind hearted Geth would never think to finish the job as they floated about in space all that time?

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Steel I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't have such a hilarious fail rate.

. Lazarus was successful.  Sanctuary was successful, those experiments on Reaper technology were successful.  Overlord was successful, they found a way to interact with the geth virtually.  Their adjutant experiments were successful.

Overlord was a disaster. If Shep hadn't intervened they have to nuke the whole project. Experiments on Reaper tech end up with all of them indoctrinated and almost cost humanity the war. (unless you mean EDI in which case fair enough). Sanctuary? No not at all. They were almost sucessful until the Reapers got a hold of em and nuked everything.

Only thing I can see that was fully successful was Lazarus, and EDI.

. You and I aren't using the same definition of success.  I define finding a way to interact with the geth as a success, finding a way to control Reapers, a success.

yeah to me a success means squat if you can't actually use it.

If you create a cure for AIDS and then the building burns down and the cure is lost because you didn't turn off a burner or something...uh...you failed in my sight.

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

It is still better than waiting in space to be obliterated

Isn't that what they did for 300 years?  Or did they trust that the kind hearted Geth would never think to finish the job as they floated about in space all that time?

. Their fleet is barely holding together.  

And they did worry abut the geth persuing them, this why they are still under military rule.

Modifié par Steelcan, 02 avril 2013 - 10:46 .

[remydat]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

@Remy
For all we know, a stealth drone got a look at Rannoch or Legion told Tali during the period in which they were communicating. It wouldn't help the Quarians either way that the Geth patched up the planet if they're still killing anyone spotted entering their space.

Even if they did, there is no guarantee that after you try to exterminate them, they don't use another batch of chemical weapons or bombs to destroy the planet again.

In any event, we are just arguing about our speculation none of which can really be confirmed by the game.  I still maintain, Tali and or Koris could have enlisted Shep to broker peace before resorting to war when no Reaper attack was imminent.  You are free to believe otherwise.

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

yeah to me a success means squat if you can't actually use it.

If you create a cure for AIDS and then the building burns down and the cure is lost because you didn't turn off a burner or something...uh...you failed in my sight.

. Except TIM now knows Control is not only possible, it is feasible.  And the geth did use their research in Overlord in ME3.

[remydat]

Steelcan wrote...

Their fleet is barely holding together.  

And they did worry abut the geth persuing them, this why they are still under military rule.

But yet never tried to settle another planet?  Like I said, get Shep on the phone and tell him to talk to the Geth.  That is an alternative with little risk.  It works great, it doesn't at least you tried.

Modifié par remydat, 02 avril 2013 - 10:49 .

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

But yet never tried to settle another planet?  Like I said, get Shep on the phone and tell him to talk to the Geth.  That is an alternative with little risk.  It works great, it doesn't at least you tried.

. Some admirals did want to ry that.  But they were overridden because the others thought it would be a waste of time.

[DeinonSlayer]

Something else to think about: In Ascension, we're told the Migrant Fleet is eighty years from death - the population is stable, but ships are wearing out faster than they can be replaced, meaning they'll run out of livable space. One of those things people wouldn't be aware of going solely off of what the games tell them.

[Khelish]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Something else to think about: In Ascension, we're told the Migrant Fleet is eighty years from death - the population is stable, but ships are wearing out faster than they can be replaced, meaning they'll run out of livable space. One of those things people wouldn't be aware of going solely off of what the games tell them.

INB4 SHIPS CAN MOVE, PLANETS CAN'T!!!!

[ghost9191]

eh wouldn't call this "the GREAT DEBATE" most of the crap here is opinion lol


but quarians are the logical choice. geth have proven themselves a threat numerous times. too big of a chance to take when fighting the reapers . way too many unknowns to side with the geth


but looking at history it would be wise to side with the qurians. although i suppose the second part was my opinion

that is just on the choice ...    

Modifié par ghost9191, 02 avril 2013 - 10:54 .

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

If the Reapers find the Migrant fleet it is all over. If the quarians take Rannoch they have a fighting chance

lmao

everytime we see Quarian groundtroops they're getting roflstomped.

Why would the Reapers be different?

[Ryzaki]

Scepsis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

If the Reapers find the Migrant fleet it is all over. If the quarians take Rannoch they have a fighting chance

The Reapers are not even remotely interested in the quarians anyway, unlike the geth.
Chances are, the geth would turn on organics eventually anyway if preserved.

Uh wrong.

EDI flat out says the only reason the Reapers aren't interested is because they quarians are too bothersome to find.

[remydat]

Steelcan wrote...
So you find it more logical to side with the guys who have already sided with the Reapers not once but twice.

First time wasn't them, second time the Quarians once again forced the Geth to become enemies of organics.  Seems to me, you get rid of the dudes who keep attacking first and problem solved.

Furthermore, these geniuses can even communicate properly.  If I don't get involved and allow the Reaper upload, they die because they can pass simple instructions.  And you want me to trust these bozos to save the Galaxy?

I mean honestly this is not even funny.  These guys kill their race because they can't explain to each other that the Reaper code is being uploaded.  Their entire existence is at stake and I give a basic instruction that in the words of Les Grossman, a nutless monkey could do and they find a way to f**k it up.

Modifié par remydat, 02 avril 2013 - 11:08 .