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[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

yeah to me a success means squat if you can't actually use it.

If you create a cure for AIDS and then the building burns down and the cure is lost because you didn't turn off a burner or something...uh...you failed in my sight.

. Except TIM now knows Control is not only possible, it is feasible.  And the geth did use their research in Overlord in ME3.

Which does squat if he can't do it.

I'll give you that. The Geth did have to improve upon it otherwise Shep'd gone bonkers.

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

If the Reapers find the Migrant fleet it is all over. If the quarians take Rannoch they have a fighting chance

lmao

everytime we see Quarian groundtroops they're getting roflstomped.

Why would the Reapers be different?

And the only time we ever see the Turian fleet, they are getting their asses wooped.

The Quarians stand a better chance on Rannoch than in space.

[Ryzaki]

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

If the Reapers find the Migrant fleet it is all over. If the quarians take Rannoch they have a fighting chance

The Reapers are not even remotely interested in the quarians anyway, unlike the geth.
Chances are, the geth would turn on organics eventually anyway if preserved.

Uh wrong.

EDI flat out says the only reason the Reapers aren't interested is because they quarians are too bothersome to find.

So you just confirmed my point... so how am I wrong? 

You said the Reapers aren't remotely interested.

They are. That interest just isn't enough for them to go system to system trying to stalk Quarians.

They find out they have a homeworld? 

Pfft that's easy enough to take over. No chasing needed.

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

If the Reapers find the Migrant fleet it is all over. If the quarians take Rannoch they have a fighting chance

lmao

everytime we see Quarian groundtroops they're getting roflstomped.

Why would the Reapers be different?

And the only time we ever see the Turian fleet, they are getting their asses wooped.

The Quarians stand a better chance on Rannoch than in space.

Last I checked the turians won quite a few wars. And fought humanity to standstill (they'd won without Asari interference). So...no no.

And not really. Reapers pretty much would own them on either front. Least in space the Reapers can't be bothered playing rabbit.

The quarians would lose to the Reapers period (just like everyone else). They don't even have the numbers for a drawn out fight. (With Reaper invasions the usual price of admission is the loss of millions. The Quarians don't even have a billion people. They're screwed.) They'd simply lose faster because of their weak immune systems and inferior ground troops.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 11:11 .

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

If the Reapers find the Migrant fleet it is all over. If the quarians take Rannoch they have a fighting chance

lmao

everytime we see Quarian groundtroops they're getting roflstomped.

Why would the Reapers be different?

. We see them once.  We are talking about fleets anyways.

[remydat]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Something else to think about: In Ascension, we're told the Migrant Fleet is eighty years from death - the population is stable, but ships are wearing out faster than they can be replaced, meaning they'll run out of livable space. One of those things people wouldn't be aware of going solely off of what the games tell them.

So they can't ask Shep to go talk to the Geth about peace because they think it will take him 80 years to find the Geth?  80 years is not an immediate threat. 

People are confusing the issue I think.  People where claiming they had no alternative as if there was an immediate threat on their lives.  There wasn't.  The Reapers appear to have no interest in them and sweet in 80 years there may screwed.  Guess that means we can't take a few days or weeks for Shep to go track down the Geth.

Modifié par remydat, 02 avril 2013 - 11:13 .

[Steelcan]

remydat wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
So you find it more logical to side with the guys who have already sided with the Reapers not once but twice.

First time wasn't them, second time the Quarians once again forced the Geth to become enemies of organics.  Seems to me, you get rid of the dudes who keep attacking first and problem solved.

Furthermore, these geniuses can even communicate properly.  If I don't get involved and allow the Reaper upload, they die because they can pass simple instructions.  And you want me to trust these bozos to save the Galaxy?

I mean honestly this is not even funny.  These guys kill their race because they can't explain to each other that the Reaper code is being uploaded.  Their entire existence is at stake and I give a basic instruction that in the words of Les Grossman, a nutless monkey could do and they find a way to f**k it up.

. Why on Earth would they stop shooting on the order of Shepard?  Even if Tali and Koris join in, they still have no reason to expec a y mercy from the geth, they've never received it before.  So it would make sense to them to keep fighting.

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

And not really. Reapers pretty much would own them on either front. Least in space the Reapers can't be bothered playing rabbit. 

Because taking over an entire day to travel through a Relay is completely safe... 

Their fleet is in worse condition now more than ever. They needed Rannoch.

[Ryzaki]

Scepsis wrote...
Yet the pursue the geth religiously.
To me this looks like a case of having a trusted quarian by your side or a geth that may take your dome off because its Reaper overlords said so.

No geth? No chance of that happening.
No quarians? You just screwed yourself out of an ally.

They don't chase the Geth around. They make an offer the geth take it.

OFFS no. That's not how it even happened. The geth decided submission was preferable to extinction and that's a perfectly reasonable choice to make.

Sure.

And with no quarians I don't have to worry about idiots playing leeroy jenkins over a barely hospitable rock wasting time and resources on stupidity.

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And not really. Reapers pretty much would own them on either front. Least in space the Reapers can't be bothered playing rabbit. 

Because taking over an entire day to travel through a Relay is completely safe... 

Their fleet is in worse condition now more than ever. They needed Rannoch.

because staying in a planet where other homeworlds that have better groundtroops and infiltrstuctures are losing milliosn by the day is completely safe.

No they didn't. Unless those ships were going to die in the next 5 months there was no reason for them to pick a fight with the Geth instead of trying to compromise when the Reapers were coming. None.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 11:14 .

[Pelle6666]

Quarians, because I romanced Tali and it would have sucked if she died. Also I've seen Legions death scene on youtube and it's devastating. You have to "renegade shoot" him three times in the face while he looks at you!!!! I'm a sucker for drama and I swear I would cry my eyes out if I'd chosen to side with the quarians.

[Ryzaki]

Scepsis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

If the Reapers find the Migrant fleet it is all over. If the quarians take Rannoch they have a fighting chance

lmao

everytime we see Quarian groundtroops they're getting roflstomped.

Why would the Reapers be different?

. We see them once.  We are talking about fleets anyways.

The Q's kicked that destroyer's ass on Rannoch didn't they? 

You mean the destroyer they were only able to weaken thanks to EDI and Shep and took almost a whole fleet for 1 mere destroyer? That one?

[ghost9191]

eh whatever , nice to start a "debate" with a post that shows he is clearly biased

debate is lol to me though

and so do the quarians... souls i mean lol... yay logic

"let us blow up the quarians to save teh geth because they totally have souls" but wait a tick

that ^^ is just for the "soul" argument ...


@Ryzaki

did you pay attention at all to the geth throughout the 3 games? they weren't really... competent

i mean what, there were two fights you actually saw the qurians in. both in ME2 . they didn't exactly have a advantage in those . and well hastrom or whatever. if i recall they were outnumbered and still held their own

just saying. comparing the two? i would say the qurians were better fighters

[silverexile17s]

shodiswe wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

I'll take actual living, breathing, and self-aware organics over needlessly complicated toasters any day. 

What's wrong is that it had to come to a choice or that people think a choice is nessesary.

The game is built on choices. Are really saying that you want less  choice from an ME title?

No, I find it sickening that the whole galaxy turned on the Geth. Initialy only a few Geth waged war while others choose not to. But something changed things and suddenly sent what was left of the quarian people fleeing from what was once their homeworld.
Apparently they were taken by shoch by a very sudden change in the resistance they were facing. Maybe the councils execution of of AI envoys to the citadel made the Geth that hadn't taken up arms against the quarians realize that there could be no peace. Suddenly the small uprising of a few Geth fightign back and the majority in hiding changed to all out war where all Geth realized they had t ofight or die because noone cared if they lived or died.
There was nothing holding the Geth back because the Quarians and the council had made the choice for them. They could have negotiated a peace and assigned the Geth their own planet or space in Quarian space peacefully, but instead they went along with trying to exterminate them and ignore any atempts at peace.

The Quarians and the council decided that the Geth had to die and then the choice was simple, fight or die. Why was it so important to fight them if they were prepared to talk about it? That's just xenophobia and prejudice.
The Quarians got driven off Rannoch because of a war that they choose to go through with even if it wasn't nessesary. Their "enemy" didn't even want to fight.

For God's sake, how many times must you be told that no one knew there was a Heretic split before you realize that no one knew there was a Heretic split? No one knew that the geth that attacked the Citadel represented a minority of the geth, and the geth made no effort to correct that ideal of them.

I'm talking about the mouning war here, not the reaper war and the Heretics. The mourning war was what set the stage for the situation we face in the mass effect series. The treatment the Quarians and the council gave the geth and whatever fellow synthetics there might have been set the stage for this later conflict. That is the mouning war that happend approximately 300 years before the events of the mass effect series.
You are merely failign to understand what im telling you, and the conflict between the Geth and the Quarians in ME3 has it roots in the time of the mourning wars. It set the stage. The council even hid the fact that they killed the first diplomats that were trying to settle the conflict between synthetics and organics because they thoguht they would win and didn't need to resolve thing "peacefully", Quarian representatives probably had something to do wih the councils decition aswell telling them to terminate the geth and any synthetics that showed up.

Again, that WASN'T soley the quarian's fault. The Council's policies were looming over them. And with how harshly the geth retaliated, all it did was validate them. Unless you think the geth's mass slaughter was unavoidable, because I sure don't see anything that makes it necessary.
You are the one failing to comprehend things. The war could have been avoided, because I remind you that for  300 years organics DID try to actively contact the geth and reach peace. The geth killed them all. Your problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that the geth responded too harshly, and that they perpetuated the conflict just as mcuh.
And AGAIN, those mechs were NOT represenitives of the geth. That's pure headcannon. They were not part of the geth, and they were not a public fact. Your entire premise falls flat right there by making the rather massive assumption that the A.I.s on the Citadel were geth represenitives. If the geth wanted to have peace, they would have come out of the Veil themselves. That event had NOTHING to do with geth isolation, because those A.I.s were not tied to the geth, nor was their existance and death ever public knowledge.

[ghost9191]

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

If the Reapers find the Migrant fleet it is all over. If the quarians take Rannoch they have a fighting chance

lmao

everytime we see Quarian groundtroops they're getting roflstomped.

Why would the Reapers be different?

. We see them once.  We are talking about fleets anyways.

The Q's kicked that destroyer's ass on Rannoch didn't they? 

You mean the destroyer they were only able to weaken thanks to EDI and Shep and took almost a whole fleet for 1 mere destroyer? That one?

yeah suppose they could have just followed the geths example and side with the reapers

[Ryzaki]

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...
Yet the pursue the geth religiously.
To me this looks like a case of having a trusted quarian by your side or a geth that may take your dome off because its Reaper overlords said so.

No geth? No chance of that happening.
No quarians? You just screwed yourself out of an ally.

They don't chase the Geth around. They make an offer the geth take it.

OFFS no. That's not how it even happened. The geth decided submission was preferable to extinction and that's a perfectly reasonable choice to make.

Sure.

And with no quarians I don't have to worry about idiots playing leeroy jenkins over a barely hospitable rock wasting time and resources on stupidity.

No need to get hostile now...
To quote you: "They don't chase the Geth around. They make an offer the geth take it."
Leeroy would be better than a turncoat any day of the week.

Yes the Geth should've just laid down and let the Quarians kill them.

Logic.

By the way your Shep takes a deal with the Reapers to you know. To win the war. Unless you're saying you refused.

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

because staying in a planet where other homeworlds that have better groundtroops and infiltrstuctures are losing milliosn by the day is completely safe.

Safer than getting trapped in space, or blocked by a Reaper next to a Relay.

No they didn't. Unless those ships were going to die in the next 5 months there was no reason for them to pick a fight with the Geth instead of trying to compromise when the Reapers were coming. None.

Tell me, what other place was safe for their civilians? No other Council race would have taken them in.

Modifié par Khelish, 02 avril 2013 - 11:18 .

[Ryzaki]

ghost9191 wrote...

eh whatever , nice to start a "debate" with a post that shows he is clearly biased

debate is lol to me though

and so do the quarians... souls i mean lol... yay logic

"let us blow up the quarians to save teh geth because they totally have souls" but wait a tick

that ^^ is just for the "soul" argument ...


@Ryzaki

did you pay attention at all to the geth throughout the 3 games? they weren't really... competent

i mean what, there were two fights you actually saw the qurians in. both in ME2 . they didn't exactly have a advantage in those . and well hastrom or whatever. if i recall they were outnumbered and still held their own

just saying. comparing the two? i would say the qurians were better fighters

?

They were plenty competent actually. Just Shep and Co were more so.

No they didn't. They all died save 2 people. And those two only live thanks to Shep.

So...no not really.

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...
Tell me, what other place was safe for their civilians? No other Council race would have taken them in.

Says who? You? There's no way of knowing no other council race would've taken them in ESPECIALLY if they offered their expertise in tech to help with the Crucible. Freaking war criminals were being pardoned FFS.

[Ryzaki]

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...
Yet the pursue the geth religiously.
To me this looks like a case of having a trusted quarian by your side or a geth that may take your dome off because its Reaper overlords said so.

No geth? No chance of that happening.
No quarians? You just screwed yourself out of an ally.

They don't chase the Geth around. They make an offer the geth take it.

OFFS no. That's not how it even happened. The geth decided submission was preferable to extinction and that's a perfectly reasonable choice to make.

Sure.

And with no quarians I don't have to worry about idiots playing leeroy jenkins over a barely hospitable rock wasting time and resources on stupidity.

No need to get hostile now...
To quote you: "They don't chase the Geth around. They make an offer the geth take it."
Leeroy would be better than a turncoat any day of the week.

Yes the Geth should've just laid down and let the Quarians kill them.

Logic.

By the way your Shep takes a deal with the Reapers to you know. To win the war. Unless you're saying you refused.

Exept Destroy, lol.
Any other rhetorical points there, buddy?

Wrong.

You accept Star child's "your tech must be destroyed along with synthetics" when you pick destroy. Just because it's rebuilt quickly doesn't mean you didn't pay a price.

Try again buddy.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 11:19 .