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[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And not really. Reapers pretty much would own them on either front. Least in space the Reapers can't be bothered playing rabbit. 

Because taking over an entire day to travel through a Relay is completely safe... 

Their fleet is in worse condition now more than ever. They needed Rannoch.

There is absolutely no evidence they can be attacked while traversing a mass relay.  It is not a highway where faster cars can overtake them or run them off the road.  Further why are people acting like a day is long.  They are traveling in a day what would take centuries even at light speed.

Also here is EDI and Tali discussing the Reapers.  Tali seems sad that the Reapers don't care about them enough to play with or harvest them, lol.

Modifié par remydat, 02 avril 2013 - 11:27 .

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

because staying in a planet where other homeworlds that have better groundtroops and infiltrstuctures are losing milliosn by the day is completely safe.

Safer than getting trapped in space, or blocked by a Reaper next to a Relay.

No they didn't. Unless those ships were going to die in the next 5 months there was no reason for them to pick a fight with the Geth instead of trying to compromise when the Reapers were coming. None.

Tell me, what other place was safe for their civilians? No other Council race would have taken them in.

So...the low chance of a Reaper stalking you is safer than the high chance of the Reaper turning the rock you just fought over into a glorified processing center? 

Sounds legit.

Again how do you know this? They were taking in war criminals if they agreed to help on the Crucible.

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khelish wrote...
Tell me, what other place was safe for their civilians? No other Council race would have taken them in.

Says who? You? There's no way of knowing no other council race would've taken them in ESPECIALLY if they offered their expertise in tech to help with the Crucible. Freaking war criminals were being pardoned FFS.

Because every single other time in 300 years the other races shunned the Quarians. Gave them no help.

Tell me why the Council would help them now? The only reason Hackett wants the Quarians so bad is because earth is being hit the hardest. The other races don't really care about the Quarians, or are too busy crying (Asari).

[Ryzaki]

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...
Yet the pursue the geth religiously.
To me this looks like a case of having a trusted quarian by your side or a geth that may take your dome off because its Reaper overlords said so.

No geth? No chance of that happening.
No quarians? You just screwed yourself out of an ally.

They don't chase the Geth around. They make an offer the geth take it.

OFFS no. That's not how it even happened. The geth decided submission was preferable to extinction and that's a perfectly reasonable choice to make.

Sure.

And with no quarians I don't have to worry about idiots playing leeroy jenkins over a barely hospitable rock wasting time and resources on stupidity.

No need to get hostile now...
To quote you: "They don't chase the Geth around. They make an offer the geth take it."
Leeroy would be better than a turncoat any day of the week.

Yes the Geth should've just laid down and let the Quarians kill them.

Logic.

By the way your Shep takes a deal with the Reapers to you know. To win the war. Unless you're saying you refused.

Exept Destroy, lol.
Any other rhetorical points there, buddy?

Wrong.

You accept Star child's "your tech must be destroyed along with synthetics" when you pick destroy. Just because it's rebuilt quickly doesn't mean you didn't pay a price.

Try again buddy.

The geth willing sided with the enemy. Any turncoat like that deserves to get mowed down in a
 hail of gunfire.

So yeah:
Geth = Wrong
Quarian = Right

*facepalms*

NVM.

Ah well. Quarians are quite dead in my game.

[silverexile17s]

shodiswe wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The quarians seek war?

"After the quarians drove the geth into the Reapers arms I'd give anything to stop the madness of this war"
"I thought maybe there was the chance for peace"
"I begged them to negotiate rather than attack"
"The civilian fleet didnt want this war"

I can't hear you over quarians not wanting war.

So that's why they armed their ships and entered Geth space guns blazing? Because they didn't want a war?
However im sure there might have been some civilians including the Admiral of the civilian fleet who didn't want the war but the political leadership wanted the war, they armed themselves and their people strappign guns to their schoolbusses to to speak and sent them off to battle. Not because they were attacked but because they decided to go to war.
I can't see how anyone can deny this simple fact. It's one of the most undeniable of facts out there, we all know who attacked who. Both times.

NO. They attacked because the alternitive was to sit in space and die. There is no where else to go, and joining the war as-is will be more hinderance then help. They MUST become self-sufficant to aid the war, and that can only be possible if they have a world. A world with the following criteria:
Dextro-based.
"Shirt-Sleeves" temperature levels.
Oxygen-based atmosphere.
Clean water sources.
Tolerable gravity levels.
Air particles that are not lethal to them.
Edible food that doens't need to be reduced to sterle paste to eat.
Insect-free ecology that matches the mammal-spicific symbiotic ecosystem they hail from.
HOW many worlds like that do you think there are? They looked for 300 years and found nothing. There is only one world that matches the above specifications: Rannoch. And the geth residing in the Perceus Veil have made it clear they seem to have no intertest in negotiation.
And you don't seem to have a problem with Hackett and Udina ordering all human civilian ships to be armed. And AGAIN, not arming the liveships would have made NO DIFFERENCE. None of the unarmed diplomatic ships in the Veil were spared. Being armed makes no difference to the geth. All they need to shoot you is for you to cross the border into the Veil. Once you do that, then armed or not, you are attacked. And the quarians planned to fight the Reapers afterward, so the ships would have been armed anyway.
The problem is that you repeatedly ignore the reasonings behind each, or thing that "who attacked first" instantly justifies responding with mass slaughter.

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Khelish wrote...
Tell me, what other place was safe for their civilians? No other Council race would have taken them in.

Says who? You? There's no way of knowing no other council race would've taken them in ESPECIALLY if they offered their expertise in tech to help with the Crucible. Freaking war criminals were being pardoned FFS.

Because every single other time in 300 years the other races shunned the Quarians. Gave them no help.

Tell me why the Council would help them now? The only reason Hackett wants the Quarians so bad is because earth is being hit the hardest. The other races don't really care about the Quarians, or are too busy crying (Asari).

So we're gonna ignore the fact that their technological expertise would be highly wanted for the Crucible eh? 

Yep let's ignore the point that pokes holes in your "OMG they have no other choice!" theory.

because clearly people desperate enough to forgive war criminals and cure the genophage are gonna thumb their noses up at Quarians. That's legit.

[Ryzaki]

Only so much wallbanger

ZOMG 1 side is right other WRONG!!! I can take.

Lost my patience for that.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Khelish wrote...


or are too busy crying (Asari).

Can we just let the Reapers finish off the asari?

I'm sure nothing of value would be lost.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 02 avril 2013 - 11:26 .

[remydat]

Steelcan wrote...

Why on Earth would they stop shooting on the order of Shepard?  Even if Tali and Koris join in, they still have no reason to expec a y mercy from the geth, they've never received it before.  So it would make sense to them to keep fighting.

Because there is a galactic apocalypse taking place.  If they can't set aside their petty beef and listen to an Admiral of their fleet or can't talk amongst themselves to figure out that the RC is being uploaded then they are a liability in war.

Gherel, Tali and Raan.  Tali and Raan give an order because of the RC.  Somehow none of these bozos can figure out to explain why they gave the order or inquire what such an order was given unless I interject.  I have enough things to worry about than to employ idiots who can give or accept simple orders.

Look out you can pick who you want but trying to pretend those threw not being able to communicate with each other about the RC is not one of the biggest idiot moments in the entire series is silly.

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

They is absolutely no evidence they can be attacked while traversing a mass relay.  It is not a highway where faster cars can overtake them or run them off the road.

Are you that daft?

They would get killed before entering FTL...

Further why are people acting like a day is long.  They are traveling in a day what would take centuries even at light speed.

Only so many ships can enter at once, if a Reaper comes along, he will blast any stragglers. "Hidding" in space won't work.

Also here is EDI and Tali discussing the Reapers.  Tali seems also said that the Reapers don't care about them enough to harvest them, lol.

Killing =/= Harvesting

The Reapers are harvesting humans, yet they still kill millions...

[Hazegurl]

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Scepsis wrote...
Yet the pursue the geth religiously.
To me this looks like a case of having a trusted quarian by your side or a geth that may take your dome off because its Reaper overlords said so.

No geth? No chance of that happening.
No quarians? You just screwed yourself out of an ally.

They don't chase the Geth around. They make an offer the geth take it.

OFFS no. That's not how it even happened. The geth decided submission was preferable to extinction and that's a perfectly reasonable choice to make.

Sure.

And with no quarians I don't have to worry about idiots playing leeroy jenkins over a barely hospitable rock wasting time and resources on stupidity.

No need to get hostile now...
To quote you: "They don't chase the Geth around. They make an offer the geth take it."
Leeroy would be better than a turncoat any day of the week.

Yes the Geth should've just laid down and let the Quarians kill them.

Logic.

By the way your Shep takes a deal with the Reapers to you know. To win the war. Unless you're saying you refused.

Exept Destroy, lol.
Any other rhetorical points there, buddy?

Wrong.

You accept Star child's "your tech must be destroyed along with synthetics" when you pick destroy. Just because it's rebuilt quickly doesn't mean you didn't pay a price.

Try again buddy.

Pretty much this. All three options are the Reaper King's logic. Refusal is the only choice that is not making a deal with Reapers. 

[ghost9191]

Ryzaki wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

eh whatever , nice to start a "debate" with a post that shows he is clearly biased

debate is lol to me though

and so do the quarians... souls i mean lol... yay logic

"let us blow up the quarians to save teh geth because they totally have souls" but wait a tick

that ^^ is just for the "soul" argument ...


@Ryzaki

did you pay attention at all to the geth throughout the 3 games? they weren't really... competent

i mean what, there were two fights you actually saw the qurians in. both in ME2 . they didn't exactly have a advantage in those . and well hastrom or whatever. if i recall they were outnumbered and still held their own

just saying. comparing the two? i would say the qurians were better fighters

?

They were plenty competent actually. Just Shep and Co were more so.

No they didn't. They all died save 2 people. And those two only live thanks to Shep.

So...no not really.

ah what 6 plus 2 held their own against a geth transport full of , yes you guessed it geth. the fact most were still alive when shep got there says something

and right so they couldn't stop shep plus 2 .. and that is a point in their favor how?  

and the reason they sided with the reapers in ME3 was what again? point made



qurians are more competent.      if not than the geth wouldn't have needed to side with the reapers


and about the point of submitting... that is all well and good but i think the fact that your race will be pretty much wiped out anyways. not to mention the fact you will be helpping the reapers commit genocide 14 times over . what is the point. live another 40 years and than just become a hammer to them... smart i suppose

Modifié par ghost9191, 02 avril 2013 - 11:28 .

[Ryzaki]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Can we just let the Reapers finish off the asari?

I'm sure nothing of value would be lost.

Might have a shortage of strippers though! Whatever shall we do!

[Ryzaki]

ghost9191 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

eh whatever , nice to start a "debate" with a post that shows he is clearly biased

debate is lol to me though

and so do the quarians... souls i mean lol... yay logic

"let us blow up the quarians to save teh geth because they totally have souls" but wait a tick

that ^^ is just for the "soul" argument ...


@Ryzaki

did you pay attention at all to the geth throughout the 3 games? they weren't really... competent

i mean what, there were two fights you actually saw the qurians in. both in ME2 . they didn't exactly have a advantage in those . and well hastrom or whatever. if i recall they were outnumbered and still held their own

just saying. comparing the two? i would say the qurians were better fighters

?

They were plenty competent actually. Just Shep and Co were more so.

No they didn't. They all died save 2 people. And those two only live thanks to Shep.

So...no not really.

ah what 6 plus 2 held their own against a geth transport full of , yes you guessed it geth. the fact most were still alive when shep got there says something

and right so they couldn't stop shep plus 2 .. and that is a point in their favor how?  

and the reason they sided with the reapers in ME3 was what again? point made

That got there not long ago?

...you actually think the Quarians could do any better?  Shep's a juggernaught of destruction. Not being able to stop him/her isn't a failing.

So the Quarians wouldn't kill them all. Yes how dare they want to live. How DARE they.

[Ryzaki]

Scepsis wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Only so much wallbanger

ZOMG 1 side is right other WRONG!!! I can take.

Lost my patience for that.

That statement is so hypocritical...
My sides, man.

Actually I NEVER said anyone was wrong for siding with the Quarians not once.

I argued the Quarians being idiots for starting a war with the Geth over a hunk of rock they would quickly lose yes.

But saying someone was "wrong" or the Geth was "in the right"? 

No.

I acknowledged the Geth had a crappy choice to make "extinction or slavery" and choose the less crappy option that I myself would make because crappy choice was crappy. That's all.

So yeah you laugh it up.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 11:29 .

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

because clearly people desperate enough to forgive war criminals and cure the genophage are gonna thumb their noses up at Quarians. That's legit.

Funny.

After the Quarians lost 99% of their population, the Council threatened to kill them instead of helping them.

Give me one reason the Council would extend an offer. Where would they put the 17 million civilians? Every homeworld is being attacked, Rannoch only has Geth (to their knowledge).

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ryzaki wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Can we just let the Reapers finish off the asari?

I'm sure nothing of value would be lost.

Might have a shortage of strippers though! Whatever shall we do!

We'll make do.

Step 1: Make peace at Rannoch.
Step: 2 let the geth fix the quarian immune system.
Step: 3 ????
Step: 4 quarian strippers for everyone!!!

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

because clearly people desperate enough to forgive war criminals and cure the genophage are gonna thumb their noses up at Quarians. That's legit.

Funny.

After the Quarians lost 99% of their population, the Council threatened to kill them instead of helping them.

Give me one reason the Council would extend an offer. Where would they put the 17 million civilians? Every homeworld is being attacked, Rannoch only has Geth (to their knowledge).

Why are you still bringing up stuff like they're gonna ignore the Reaper fleet outside their windows? 

Because they're tech experts and the Council really want that crucible built so their worlds aren't Reaper chow. That's why.

These people are desperate enough to cure the genophage, to forgive war criminals...and you somehow think they think giving the Quarians some aid is going too far?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 11:30 .

[Ryzaki]

Screw it I said I'm done I'm done. Circular arguements ahoy.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 avril 2013 - 11:34 .

[ghost9191]

Ryzaki wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

eh whatever , nice to start a "debate" with a post that shows he is clearly biased

debate is lol to me though

and so do the quarians... souls i mean lol... yay logic

"let us blow up the quarians to save teh geth because they totally have souls" but wait a tick

that ^^ is just for the "soul" argument ...


@Ryzaki

did you pay attention at all to the geth throughout the 3 games? they weren't really... competent

i mean what, there were two fights you actually saw the qurians in. both in ME2 . they didn't exactly have a advantage in those . and well hastrom or whatever. if i recall they were outnumbered and still held their own

just saying. comparing the two? i would say the qurians were better fighters

?

They were plenty competent actually. Just Shep and Co were more so.

No they didn't. They all died save 2 people. And those two only live thanks to Shep.

So...no not really.

ah what 6 plus 2 held their own against a geth transport full of , yes you guessed it geth. the fact most were still alive when shep got there says something

and right so they couldn't stop shep plus 2 .. and that is a point in their favor how?  

and the reason they sided with the reapers in ME3 was what again? point made

That got there not long ago?

...you actually think the Quarians could do any better?  Shep's a juggernaught of destruction. Not being able to stop him/her isn't a failing.

So the Quarians wouldn't kill them all. Yes how dare they want to live. How DARE they.

rhetorical question. proved my point

and yes how dare they want to live. even though doing what they did meant that they would be pretty much destroyed in the end. just a shell . tool to be used ... not even self aware

and yeah it is totally not like they willl be helping the reapers slaughter billions just so they can live for another 40 some odd years... yeah they totally were in the right




logical choice would have been to submit to someone that wouldn't destroy them and use them to kill billions... you know maybe shepard and co

Modifié par ghost9191, 02 avril 2013 - 11:33 .