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[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

... Or it's called I blocked you because we have nothing more to discuss... 

You just keep saying the same things over and over in all of your messages, ignoring all the points I make, its like talking with a child. "No u!1!!1"

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...
... Or it's called I blocked you because we have nothing more to discuss... 

You just keep saying the same things over and over in all of your messages, ignoring all the points I make, its like talking with a child. "No u!1!!1"

If you don't want to continue discussing something then say agree to disagree.  However, responding with a 3 paragraph statement expressing yourself and then trying to block me so I can't respond isn't going to work Khelish.  You don't get to start something and then decide for the other person when it is over.  The Quarians tried that and 2 billion people died, lol.  

And I answered your points, you just don't like the answers because they disagree with you.  It is hilarious you say talking to me is like talking to a child when you are the one sending multiple PMs and then in a hissy fit blocking me because I disagree with you.

Now, do you want to move on or not?

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 01:24 .

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

If you don't want to continue discussing something then say agree to disagree.  However, responding with a 3 paragraph statement expressing yourself and then trying to block me so I can't respond isn't going to work Khelish.

Lol, 3 paragraphs? It was 4 sentences of me telling you I did not agree with your post.

You don't get to start something and then decide for the other person when it is over.

Actually, I can. I decide when I am done talking about this.

The Quarians tried that and 2 billion people died, lol.

I guess the Geth using chemical weapons on civilians is all fun and games right? As long as you add "lol" it must be funny.

And I answered your points, you just don't like the answers because they disagree with you.

And I could say the same for you.

Now, do you want to move on or not?

Uh, yes? Took you long enough to get the message... 

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

Lol, 3 paragraphs? It was 4 sentences of me telling you I did not agree with your post.

Actually, I can. I decide when I am done talking about this.

I guess the Geth using chemical weapons on civilians is all fun and games right? As long as you add "lol" it must be funny.

And I could say the same for you.

Uh, yes? Took you long enough to get the message... 

You can decide you are done by not responding or saying agree to disagree.  The minute you block the person you started the conversation with you are trying to decide for them that they are done.  I am not.

And no you couldn't say the same for me because I am not trying to force you to stop responding by blocking you.  You are free to disagree with me and when I am no longer interested I won't block you, I will simply stop responding.  

And no you don't want to move on because instead of just accepting my offer, you insisted on trying to discuss further. And here we are.

P.S. when you separate sentences by hitting enter and creating empty space between them, you have created a new paragraph.  Doesn't matter how many sentences there are.

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 01:44 .

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

... aaaand instead of moving on, you keep on discussing it. The problem here is you Remy, you always have to get the last word in.

Agree to disagree? Or is that too hard for you?

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

... aaaand instead of moving on, you keep on discussing it. The problem here is you Remy, you always have to get the last word in.

Agree to disagree? Or is that too hard for you?

PM'ing someone and then blocking them is you trying to get the last word.  Otherwise, you wouldn't feel the need to block the other person from responding.  I am just honest about the fact I like to get the last word and willing to fight for it instead of trying to get it cheaply by blocking someone, lol.

And yes we can agree to disagree.

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 01:52 .

[Hazegurl]

remydat wrote...

From where he starts, he can't see the buttons or the lights up close to be suspicious of them.  He would literally have to go and investigate each in order to even think about the fact that one is just walking into a beam. And he unlike us doesn't have all day.  The Galaxy is dying outside, he is shot to pieces, and limping.  Not to mention I believe the refuse option kicks in if he takes too long.  All Star Kid had to do was say the true synthesis is really Destroy, the true Destroy is Control and the true Control is synthese. How the hell is Shepard going to figure out the truth?  Based on some Mass Effect booklet Star Kid dropped on the floor explaining the truth?

Look, this all just sounds to me like people hate the endings so they just project all their hate for Bioware on Star Kid.  Everyone damn well knows Bioware prefered Synthesis so trying to act like Star Kid is tricking them is just silly because we know Bioware intends for synthesis to be a good thing.  So rather than trying to invent motives just say you hate the endings and call it a day.

Star Kid gave an opinion.  He is doing what anyone with an opinion would do.  It doesn't make Synthesis right nor does it make it wrong.  It is up to you to decide and that is what Bioware intended.  They told us their preference but ultimately gave you other options.

The starkid can lie all he likes but once Shepard gets close enough he will see the other options, then the game changes. Considering how each side operates I don't think he can get away with playing the mismatch game for long. Who would believe that jumping into a beam and dying is destorying the reapers? That is a hard sell and only an idiot would buy it. And it defeats the point of telling such a lie if Shepard decides Synthesis is awesome and walks over to destory. The Star kid will then have to ruin his credibility by stopping Shepard and explaining the green beam.  It's better to just tell the truth as he sees it but guide toward the option he favors.

Considering the fact that starkid pushes Synthesis like a Directv rep trying to sell HBO, he makes it clear it is HIS choice. Saying that doesn't mean I hate Bioware. Do I like the starkid? No I don't. Primiarly because he represents crappy writing but it doesn't destory my love for Bioware games nor my overall enjoyment of ME3. I don't even understand why that has to be the case simply because I don't like starbrat and consider the character to be manipulative. Yep I don't like the ending hence why I choose MEHEM. Cause a being that has been murdering every organic across the galaxy for billions of years based on a** backwards logic doesn't deserve to have an opinion.
Now let's move on.

[PirateMouse]

So ignoring whatever just happened here and focusing on the original thread topic ...

I'd side with the geth. Sorry, Tali, I really am ... but your people are jerks, and the war is basically entirely their fault. The ones who weren't jerks mostly died trying to stop the jerks.

If I'd side with the quarians anyway just because they're organic, then wouldn't I in a way be proving the Starbrat right? Yeah, screw that.

[remydat]

Hazegurl wrote...

The starkid can lie all he likes but once Shepard gets close enough he will see the other options, then the game changes. Considering how each side operates I don't think he can get away with playing the mismatch game for long. Who would believe that jumping into a beam and dying is destorying the reapers? That is a hard sell and only an idiot would buy it. And it defeats the point of telling such a lie if Shepard decides Synthesis is awesome and walks over to destory. The Star kid will then have to ruin his credibility by stopping Shepard and explaining the green beam.  It's better to just tell the truth as he sees it but guide toward the option he favors.

Considering the fact that starkid pushes Synthesis like a Directv rep trying to sell HBO, he makes it clear it is HIS choice. Saying that doesn't mean I hate Bioware. Do I like the starkid? No I don't. Primiarly because he represents crappy writing but it doesn't destory my love for Bioware games nor my overall enjoyment of ME3. I don't even understand why that has to be the case simply because I don't like starbrat and consider the character to be manipulative. Yep I don't like the ending hence why I choose MEHEM. Cause a being that has been murdering every organic across the galaxy for billions of years based on a** backwards logic doesn't deserve to have an opinion.
Now let's move on.

Haha, we can't move on when you respond with 2 paragraphs before saying let's move on.  Again, that is just trying to get the last word in but not being willing to fight for it, lol.  You got to earn it Hazegurl not try and trick me into giving it to you.  That is very Star Kid of you, lol.

The premise that Star Kid is orchestrating a deception is that he doesn't think Shep wants to choose Synthesis.  So why would he worry about Shep actually choosing synthesis because it is awesome?  Futher, why the hell would Star Kid say Shep has to die?  Again, if the aim here is to deceive, I wouldn't tell Shep he dies.  How the hell would he know?  Does he die when he walks into the little area to activate and create the holographic image of himself when he talks to TIM in ME2?  Walking into a beam light is basically what he did all throughout ME2 to activate the holograph and talk to TIM so there is nothing unusal about it unless Star Kid is an idiot and tells him he will die.  Again, there are too much holes in this theory.

Let me ask a simple question.  Do you think Bioware's preference was Synthesis? If so, why would Bioware prefer synthesis but then write a story where Star Kid is trying to be a douchebag in supporting it?  It makes no sense.  Most of the fans I see upset are upset because they think Bioware was pushing synthesis.  So they are really angry with Bioware pushing synthesis and thus take it out on Star Kid.   Logically if Bioware's preference is Synthesis then the reason why Star Kid pushes it is not because of sinister motives but because the writers who created the story deem it to be the preferred option.  Fans disagree and so they invent reasons why Star Kid is trying to be a douche.

[Khelish]

See Haze?

Good luck getting him to drop the topic...

[N7 Drone]

I'm sticking with the Geth.I'm sorry but quarians civilians dying card won't change my mind. Its not my problem. .

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

See Haze?

Good luck getting him to drop the topic...

Crono and I were having a discussion.  He stopped responding because he doesn't need to have the last word.  He made his point and moved on.  I can respect that.  You on the other hand keep stating your opinion and then throwing in at the end that you are done but yet here you are again.  If you are going to try and take the moral high ground then take it and stop responding.  If not then don't but this passive aggressive tactic isn't going to work.

[Khelish]

Lol Reamy, are you still posting?

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

Lol Reamy, are you still posting?

The bigger question is why are you?  You are the one claiming I want the last word but what are you doing if not trying to get the last word, lol.

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 02:51 .

[Khelish]

...

Reamy, I posted to Haze as a joke...

Why must you turn everything into a debate?

[remydat]

Why can't you just move on Mr. I don't like the last word?

P.S.  This is me joking with you.

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 02:58 .

[Hazegurl]

Khelish wrote...

See Haze?

Good luck getting him to drop the topic...

LOL!! Yeah it seems like a simple mention of the ending is enough to make people want to cut you.

But I won't reply to it because I don't want the thread to go too far off topic and get locked.

[remydat]

Hazegurl wrote...

LOL!! Yeah it seems like a simple mention of the ending is enough to make people want to cut you.

But I won't reply to it because I don't want the thread to go too far off topic and get locked.

Haha, no one wants to cut you.

But I thank you for being the bigger person and not responding.  Too bad, Khelish and I are not, lol.

[S.A.K]

S.A.K wrote...

Geth have never given any reason for organics to not hate or fear them since the MW. If they did please specify when. Organics have tried to communicate, but Geth always ignored them. Come to think of it, I can't actually blame Quarians for attacking. Geth were obviously not going to hand them Rannoch peacefully.

None of the Geth supporters tried to disprove this. Guess they can't...

Edit : about council law against AI.

According to council knowledge, there are currently no AIs other than Geth and Reapres. So those laws are to discourage any more AIs being developed. Council has no reason to believe Geth are not hostile. So revoking or changing those rules seems pointless or even bad. Besides there are rules against provoking/attacking the Geth. So the arguement about council rules seems to be invalid.

Modifié par S.A.K, 04 avril 2013 - 04:10 .

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

None of the Geth supporters tried to disprove this. Guess they can't...

Legion saves Shepard during the IFF mission.  Shepard saves the Galaxy.  Legion fights the Collectors with Shepard saving the harvest of human colonies to create a human reaper.  Legion informs the Quarians about a Reaper signal on Rannoch which if he had not would have resulted in the idiots thinking the Reaper signal was disabled and continuing their attack on Rannoch which would have led to their becoming extinct when that Reaper signal which turned out to be an actual Reaper gave the Geth the Reaper signal again.

Furthermore organics have never given the Geth any reason not to hate or fear them since the MW.  They invade Geth space while the prejudiced laws are on the books and right after wiping out a harmaless AI race and expect the Geth to not consider it some sneaky organic plan to do to them what their laws say should be done and what they just recently did to that harmless group of AI on the Citadel?

I can just imagine these alleged diplomatic ships as they enter Geth space. 

Alleged Diplomatic Ship - Hey guys, just ignore the Council Laws that say you shouldn't exist and the the fact that we just massacred some harmless AI on the Citadel, we just want to talk peace.

Geth - Who do these organics take us for, blow these hateful mofos out of the sky right now.

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 04:21 .

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

Edit : about council law against AI.

According to council knowledge, there are currently no AIs other than Geth and Reapres. So those laws are to discourage any more AIs being developed. Council has no reason to believe Geth are not hostile. So revoking or changing those rules seems pointless or even bad. Besides there are rules against provoking/attacking the Geth. So the arguement about council rules seems to be invalid.

As I believe Silver so nicely pointed out, there are no other AIs except the Geth because towards the end or just after the MW, harmless AI on the Citadel were killed to the last man.  Just wiped from existence.  These guys had filed a petition.  These guys claimed killing them was against the Council Laws and they were wiped from existence anyway.

 In fact let's watch from 1:30 on where the AI tries to explain that the termination action is unlawful.  Apparently organics don't care about unlawful actions as long as they get to kill synthetics.



So a non aggression pact is not worth the paper it is written on.  This event was right around the time of the MW.  Pretty sure, the Geth could find this sh*t on the extranet and you think they should trust organic ships entering Geth space.  Sure dude.

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 04:31 .

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

Pretty sure, the Geth could find this sh*t on the extranet and you think they should trust organic ships entering Geth space.  Sure dude.

Eh, considering it was locked away in the Archives all quiet like, I doubt that... 

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

Eh, considering it was locked away in the Archives all quiet like, I doubt that... 

Umm 300 years have passed.  I would find it tough in 2013 AD to find references of something that happened in 1713 AD because things are forgotten and records destroyed over 300 years.  However, if I lived in 1713 AD, I am more likely to become aware that hey those harmless AI that used to be on the Citadel are suddenly no more.

Shepard is living 300 years later.  See the difference in their ability to find out about this massacre?

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 04:57 .

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

Remy, much of the information in the Archives is classified. You think it is common knowledge the Council had AI rounded up and killed?

Not everything we are shown is widely known...

Prove to me that it is common knowledge.