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[Ryzaki]

Wouldn't need to be common knowledge. Geth like all AIs are master hackers . (Granted "all" AI seems to only extend to that one that was siphoning creds, the Reapers and EDI but still...it's a pattern).

Some curiousty, use of keywords and there we go.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 avril 2013 - 05:07 .

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wouldn't need to be common knowledge. Geth like all AIs are master hackers .

Because being good at hacking means you can break into the most protected vault of secrets in the galaxy... 

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

Prove to me that it is common knowledge.

Prove to me it wasn't common knowledge 300 years ago when the Geth were living at the time it occurred?

In fact just about all the videos we see in there are not that classified.  The first one shows a scene from the First Contact War.  I knew the first contact war existed without that scene.  Another one shows a Krogan attacking some councillors.  I know the Krogan Rebelled without that scene.  We see Shep becoming a Spectre being discussed.  I knew he was a Spectre without that scene.

So I see no evidence the overall events were some big secret.  It is entirely likely that 300 years ago people notices and commented and perhaps even wrote stories about the magical disappearence of a group of harmless AI living on the Citadel.

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 05:21 .

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Wouldn't need to be common knowledge. Geth like all AIs are master hackers .

Because being good at hacking means you can break into the most protected vault of secrets in the galaxy... 

Uh...it kind of does if they're stored on a data server that has any connection at all to the extranet. I highly doubt those files are in a complete vacuum.

And before you bring up the clone...he's barely even competent let alone a hacker.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 avril 2013 - 05:11 .

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Wouldn't need to be common knowledge. Geth like all AIs are master hackers .

Because being good at hacking means you can break into the most protected vault of secrets in the galaxy... 

Uh...it kind of does if they're stored on a data server that has any connection at all to the extranet. I highly doubt those files are in a complete vacuum.

You give the Geth's hacking "ability", far too much credit. You are making baseless claims saying the Geth could have hacked the vaults...

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

My point is, the Geth's knowledge of the AI incident would not be the entire story. Any info they gathered would be from some random dude online.

Not everything on the extranet is true, ya know...

Even if they did know, why would it matter? Why not keep trying for peace? You can send messages without physical contact.

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...
You give the Geth's hacking "ability", far too much credit. You are making baseless claims saying the Geth could have hacked the vaults...

Whatever yous ay.

And your claim isn't? We're both "Speculating!". Sadly on this front without author's word your opinion isn't anymore valid then mine

And your claim's pretty baseless saying no one other than the council and those who made that data would be aware of this. Something being in that vault =! no one knowing about it. Everyone and their mother knows about Shep's origins...those are in that vault.

Why wouldn't they be? People aren't just going to completely ignore a bunch of AI vanishing?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 avril 2013 - 05:17 .

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khelish wrote...
You give the Geth's hacking "ability", far too much credit. You are making baseless claims saying the Geth could have hacked the vaults...

And your claim's pretty baseless saying no one other than the council and those who made that data would be aware of this. Something being in that vault =! no one knowing about it. Everyone and their mother knows about Shep's origins...those are in that vault.

Why wouldn't they be? People aren't just going to completely ignore a bunch of AI vanishing.

Lol, go look at what I wrote... I didn't say any of that pal...

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...
Lol, go look at what I wrote... I didn't say any of that pal...

So you didn't say it wouldn't be common knowledge? Or that it'd be classified?

Remy, much of the information in the Archives is classified. You think
it is common knowledge the Council had AI rounded up and killed?

Considering this was 300 years ago and most people who did it would be dead...(save the Asari counsilar).

That leaves...the council and a few others.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 avril 2013 - 05:19 .

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...


Whatever yous ay.

And your claim isn't? We're both "Speculating!". Sadly on this front without author's word your opinion isn't anymore valid then mine

Did I say mine wasn't? You are going around making it sound as if the Geth hacked into the matrix...

I think you give them far too much credit.

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


Whatever yous ay.

And your claim isn't? We're both "Speculating!". Sadly on this front without author's word your opinion isn't anymore valid then mine

Did I say mine wasn't? You are going around making it sound as if the Geth hacked into the matrix...

I think you give them far too much credit.

*sigh* Still speculations.

And I think you give them to few. We done with the circle game now?

[remydat]

Let's look at the other events.

First Contact War - Yep common knowledge that it happened.

Krogan Rebellions - Yep common knowledge been referenced over and over in the game

Battle of the Citadel - Yep common knowledge complete with books and souvenirs about it.

Krogan Genophage - Yep common knowledge

Spectres - Yep knew about them too

Citadel Discovery - Yep knew Citadel existed

First Human Specture - Yep knew I was Spectre.

Conclusion - while the specific scenes as depicted in the Archives may not be known, they all relate to events everybody knew about. So it is pretty absurd to pretend that no one including the Geth who lived at the time would never have heard about these AI being killed.

Even if we pretend they never saw this footage, there is no requirement for them to have seen the exact details of what happened to know it happened as again I knew all of the events happened without seeing the Citadel Archives.

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 05:23 .

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khelish wrote...
Lol, go look at what I wrote... I didn't say any of that pal...

So you didn't say it wouldn't be common knowledge? Or that it'd be classified?

Common is the key word.

classified intel can be declassified over time.

I'm simply saying that most of the intel online, should not be taken as 100% truth. The Geth should know this, considering they lie and troll via the extranet... 

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...
Common is the key word.

classified intel can be declassified over time.

I'm simply saying that most of the intel online, should not be taken as 100% truth. The Geth should know this, considering they lie and troll via the extranet... 

I notice the moving of goal posts...

So now...the data possibly can't be legit and shouldn't be trusted? Compared to the it wouldn't be wildly available from before? 

There's this magical thing called checking sources. People do that now.

[Khelish]

remydat wrote...

Remy, all those events, we know about. What most likely wasn't common knowledge, was the small details. Who knows, maybe the Council lied and said those AI tried to attack.

Speculations for everyone.

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

So now...the data possibly can't be legit and shouldn't be trusted? Compared to the it wouldn't be wildly available from before? 

There's this magical thing called checking sources. People do that now.

How do you check sources from 300 years ago? Pls tell.

[remydat]

Khelish wrote...

My point is, the Geth's knowledge of the AI incident would not be the entire story. Any info they gathered would be from some random dude online.

Not everything on the extranet is true, ya know...

Even if they did know, why would it matter? Why not keep trying for peace? You can send messages without physical contact.

You guys are claiming organics are right not to trust the Geth.  Part of your basis is these alleged shooting down of diplomats for which no Geth has ever told their side of the story.

Now all of a sudden you are concerned about something not being the entire truth?  I am confused as to when the entire truth is required and when it isn't as apparently it is only required if you are synthetic.

Khelish wrote...
Remy, all those events, we know about. What most likely wasn't common knowledge, was the small details. Who knows, maybe the Council lied and said those AI tried to attack.

Speculations for everyone.

SAK brought up the fact that organics have no reason to trust synthetics.  I countered explaining why the same could be said of the Geth given what they know.  Neither side knows the full story from the other so either they both are free to not trust the other or they both should be taking a chance to do so.  I simply want the argument to be applied consistently to both parties.

Modifié par remydat, 04 avril 2013 - 05:28 .

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So now...the data possibly can't be legit and shouldn't be trusted? Compared to the it wouldn't be wildly available from before? 

There's this magical thing called checking sources. People do that now.

How do you check sources from 300 years ago? Pls tell.

Same way historians do it? 

You do realize we have data from 300 years ago right?

Data that we're pretty sure is legit? 

Oi vey.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 avril 2013 - 05:26 .

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

*Sigh*

My point, is that not all information we count on for history, is correct. You really believe everything historians say is infallible?

[Ryzaki]

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*Sigh*

My point, is that not all information we count on for history, is correct. You really believe everything historians say is infallible?

Infallible =/= entirely false.

You keep on moving those goal posts.

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khelish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*Sigh*

My point, is that not all information we count on for history, is correct. You really believe everything historians say is infallible?

Infallible =/= entirely false.

You keep on moving those goal posts.

Lol, that was my point...

The Geth should not see the interwebs and say "OMGz, they all hate us!"

[Ryzaki]

...you mean they shouldn't look on the internet

See laws banning their kind...

Organics killing their kind...(along with first hand knowledge of this with them having done nothing hostile to start hostilities)

And draw from that the conclusion that no...organics don't like them and have a high probability of attempting to kill them for daring to exist?

*facepalms*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 avril 2013 - 05:33 .

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

...you mean they shouldn't look on the internet

See laws banning their kind...

Organics killing their kind...

And draw from that the conclusion that no...organics don't like them?

*facepalms*

You don't make vast generalizations of all people because of stuff you read online.

The Geth are smart enough to realize not all organics think like that, yet they don't try to send any message of peace.

[Ryzaki]

There are laws against their existence. Clearly the majority do not have problems with those laws. The second the Quarians believed they broke this law their reaction was to destroy the evidence. To the extent that they killed and/or arrested the minority that disagreed.

Why would they? The organics have given them no reason to believe they want peace!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 avril 2013 - 05:36 .

[Khelish]

Ryzaki wrote...

There are laws against their existence. Clearly the majority do not have problems with those laws.

Why would they? The organics have given them no reason to believe they want peace!

That is no excuse to not try and send peaceful messages.

And actually, we don't know who or why that ban was there. The Council doesn't vote by majority of all organics.

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Its getting late, I'm signing off. 

Modifié par Khelish, 04 avril 2013 - 05:37 .