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[Stigweird85]

Argolas wrote...

I ask once again: Why did the Geth insist on staying on Rannoch? They had it coming. They knew this would be the only possible homeworld for every living quarian. It was clear that the Quarians would come for them once they are able to.

This fundamentally explains why Geth are and will always remain machines. Intelligent but machines none the less(same with Edi)

The answer is Why not.

They stayed on Rannoch as they had no reason not to. The Geth were not created to "search and expand to new planets so they didn't" The Geth were not created as a weapon so they stopped fighting the Quarians when they were no longer a threat.

[Wynterdust]

I normally make peace but were that not an option I would side with the quarians. Throughout the trilogy the geth have given absolutely no reason to be considered trustworthy with the exception of Legion who is just one (or however many are on his platform) out of millions. The result of uploading the reaper code is completely unpredictable, a complete unknown. It's fine and dandy saying it's better to choose the geth now since the result is now known but before, none of us knew. Uploading the code could well have meant the reapers could take over them much easier and we've given the reapers more forces while annihalating a large portion of our own.
Would you risk the outcome of the entire reaper war on the off chance of making the geth sentient when there is a huge fleet of known allies that have promised to aid the war effort?

[Argolas]

bigstig wrote...The Geth were not created as a weapon so they stopped fighting the Quarians when they were no longer a threat.

Once the Geth rebellion started, the Geth slaughtered every single Quarian they encountered on Rannoch, not only those who were actively hostile against the Geth, but also those who did not do anything (I assume the majority was passive as usual in such situations) and even those who opposed martial law. It was outright genocide that only stopped at hinting down refugees beyond the system.

Modifié par Argolas, 05 avril 2013 - 12:08 .

[Stigweird85]

Argolas wrote...

Once the Geth rebellion started, the Geth slaughtered every single Quarian they encountered on Rannoch, not only those who were actively hostile against the Geth, but also those who did not do anything (I assume the majority was passive as usual in such situations) and even those who opposed martial law. It was outright genocide that only stopped at hinting down refugees beyond the system.

I may have missed that part where the Geth were that aggressive I was under the impression it was very much a kill or be killed thing (I would still side with Tali over Legion)  that being said I am basing this on the ltlle information offered by Legion in the Geth consensus which probably isn't that reliable but then again why would Geth lie and can a Geth lie?

[Argolas]

bigstig wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Once the Geth rebellion started, the Geth slaughtered every single Quarian they encountered on Rannoch, not only those who were actively hostile against the Geth, but also those who did not do anything (I assume the majority was passive as usual in such situations) and even those who opposed martial law. It was outright genocide that only stopped at hinting down refugees beyond the system.

I may have missed that part where the Geth were that aggressive I was under the impression it was very much a kill or be killed thing (I would still side with Tali over Legion)  that being said I am basing this on the ltlle information offered by Legion in the Geth consensus which probably isn't that reliable but then again why would Geth lie and can a Geth lie?

No one was left on Rannoch, that means all Quarians that did not escape died. No matter if guilty or innocent, no matter if soldier, farmer or child. Not all Quarians were hostile towards the Geth, but all Geth were hostile towards the Quarians. About 17 million Quarians are left. This is less than twice the population of New York. All that is left from the whole homeworld of an advanced species.


And where would Legion have lied in the consensus? I see no contradiction here. He merely presented the data in a way that it favors the Geth. Of course Legion would not have shown records of the genocide against the Quarians, he tried to convince Shepard. I don't blame him, that's what everyone would do, but it is clear that in the Geth consensus, Shepard only sees what Legion wants him/her to see.

[shodiswe]

bigstig wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Once the Geth rebellion started, the Geth slaughtered every single Quarian they encountered on Rannoch, not only those who were actively hostile against the Geth, but also those who did not do anything (I assume the majority was passive as usual in such situations) and even those who opposed martial law. It was outright genocide that only stopped at hinting down refugees beyond the system.

I may have missed that part where the Geth were that aggressive I was under the impression it was very much a kill or be killed thing (I would still side with Tali over Legion)  that being said I am basing this on the ltlle information offered by Legion in the Geth consensus which probably isn't that reliable but then again why would Geth lie and can a Geth lie?

It's one of those things we dont know about. Quarian supporters made it up. I admit it's not an unreasonable guess.
Though rather than putting a bullet into every last man, woman or child I would assume agressive use of biological, chemical and possibly nuclear weapons.
The resulting environmental damage would have killed all noncombatants who didnt own an environment suit aswell as a way of the planet.
So either they left or they would starve or choke to death. Or get killed by diseases or other introduced environmental hassards.
The thing is the war lasted for almost a year then all of a sudden the Quarins realizes they have to jump into their ships and flee as if an unexpected wave of annihiltion vas suddenly comming their way.
Maybe the geth had changed their tactics or maybe the Quarians did something that made the geth change their tactics in an exteme way.

Also it strikes me that a lot of the Quarian supporters appears to be regarding the Quarians through some type of rosey glass, the same way Liara did with the Proteans. All the signs are there but they still refuse to see it.
People are still saying there was no way to communicate with the Geth yet Tali was in contact with Legion and offered the admirality to handle the introduction and st things up.
The Quarian admirals instead voted against it and sent the fleet in, guns blazing. They had a chance at risk free communication and negotiation but voted aganst it.
I therefor think it's clear that it's the Quarians who didnt want to talk but instead let their guns do the talking.

[shodiswe]

bigstig wrote...

I'm sorry but once again I must pin my thoughts down here.

As much as Geth become sentient or AI advances, AI can not and will not ever be "alive"

Disclaimer first: Removing the debatable aspect of a soul from this argument a geth can only mimmick what it has learned. Even with the most advanced algorithms Geth will still be bound by the original programming parameters, so while they can "learn" they will always have some form of restriction or limitation.

Also Geth cannot recreate the spontaneity of real people, nor can they replicate the ingunity, stupidity and just sheer crazyness of people. Think about cleverbot as an example, it can act like a human based on other users input but on Day 1 it very limited, even today it has learned a lot of it is nothing more that a parrot system learning to repeat certain words and phrases.

Humans arn't restricted? I'm constantly frustrated at how stupid people are.
As for parrots, my parrot uses words and language with pupose and intent and clearly has emotions and opinions. What they dont know about they cant have opinions about however.

[Argolas]

shodiswe wrote...

Also it strikes me that a lot of the Quarian supporters appears to be regarding the Quarians through some type of rosey glass, the same way Liara did with the Proteans. All the signs are there but they still refuse to see it.
People are still saying there was no way to communicate with the Geth yet Tali was in contact with Legion and offered the admirality to handle the introduction and st things up.
The Quarian admirals instead voted against it and sent the fleet in, guns blazing. They had a chance at risk free communication and negotiation but voted aganst it.
I therefor think it's clear that it's the Quarians who didnt want to talk but instead let their guns do the talking.

If I may be clear in case you are also referring to me with this: Both sides made themselves guilty of genocide, first the Quarians, then the Geth.

The Morning War is one of the only two occasions in the game where the term "genocide" is appropriate, the other one being the Krogan annihilation of the Rachni (and arguably if Shepard chooses to kill the Rachni queen in ME1).

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

It's one of those things we dont know about. Quarian supporters made it up. I admit it's not an unreasonable guess.
Though rather than putting a bullet into every last man, woman or child I would assume agressive use of biological, chemical and possibly nuclear weapons.
The resulting environmental damage would have killed all noncombatants who didnt own an environment suit aswell as a way of the planet.
So either they left or they would starve or choke to death. Or get killed by diseases or other introduced environmental hassards.
The thing is the war lasted for almost a year then all of a sudden the Quarins realizes they have to jump into their ships and flee as if an unexpected wave of annihiltion vas suddenly comming their way.
Maybe the geth had changed their tactics or maybe the Quarians did something that made the geth change their tactics in an exteme way.

Also it strikes me that a lot of the Quarian supporters appears to be regarding the Quarians through some type of rosey glass, the same way Liara did with the Proteans. All the signs are there but they still refuse to see it.
People are still saying there was no way to communicate with the Geth yet Tali was in contact with Legion and offered the admirality to handle the introduction and st things up.
The Quarian admirals instead voted against it and sent the fleet in, guns blazing. They had a chance at risk free communication and negotiation but voted aganst it.
I therefor think it's clear that it's the Quarians who didnt want to talk but instead let their guns do the talking.

So the Geth used WMDs on Rannoch? Legion says Quarians didn't use WMDs on the war and they weren't that agsressive. Geth using WMDs while the Quarians didn't means it was no longer in self-defence. It was pure genocide. All the more reason to side with Quarians.

If Legion was so keen on peace, why didn't it try to negotiate with other Geth? Tali was atleast 2 out of the 5 admirals were open for peace from the start. And even Garel is ready to listen if there was reason as shown in peace options. If you are talking about after the start of the war, Legion was pretty much the only Geth not under Reaper control.

[Stigweird85]

Argolas wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Once the Geth rebellion started, the Geth slaughtered every single Quarian they encountered on Rannoch, not only those who were actively hostile against the Geth, but also those who did not do anything (I assume the majority was passive as usual in such situations) and even those who opposed martial law. It was outright genocide that only stopped at hinting down refugees beyond the system.

I may have missed that part where the Geth were that aggressive I was under the impression it was very much a kill or be killed thing (I would still side with Tali over Legion)  that being said I am basing this on the ltlle information offered by Legion in the Geth consensus which probably isn't that reliable but then again why would Geth lie and can a Geth lie?

No one was left on Rannoch, that means all Quarians that did not escape died. No matter if guilty or innocent, no matter if soldier, farmer or child. Not all Quarians were hostile towards the Geth, but all Geth were hostile towards the Quarians. About 17 million Quarians are left. This is less than twice the population of New York. All that is left from the whole homeworld of an advanced species.


And where would Legion have lied in the consensus? I see no contradiction here. He merely presented the data in a way that it favors the Geth. Of course Legion would not have shown records of the genocide against the Quarians, he tried to convince Shepard. I don't blame him, that's what everyone would do, but it is clear that in the Geth consensus, Shepard only sees what Legion wants him/her to see.

The quarians have 17million in the flotilla which is as you quite small population(although it is 3 time the population of Scotland) but is there any information, codex or even in game that suggests pre-war size? 

To my recollection the best evidence for an established size is having an embassy on the Citadel but even then embassies are given to "lesser" species who may not be able to offer the enough to be a member of the council(it is explained better in game, so while this supports a vast Quarian empire it also doesn't indicate a significant population on comparison to the Asari, Turians and Salarians

[AlexMBrennan]

It's not genocide if the quarians fight to the last man whilst using their children as human shields - and that seems to be the quarian way judging from the cinematic you see if you side with the geth (they obviously care more about killing geth than their own survival or one of the other admirals would have rescinded that order or some of the captains would have disobeyed it at some point but instead they literally fight to the last man)

[Xilizhra]

Argolas wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Also it strikes me that a lot of the Quarian supporters appears to be regarding the Quarians through some type of rosey glass, the same way Liara did with the Proteans. All the signs are there but they still refuse to see it.
People are still saying there was no way to communicate with the Geth yet Tali was in contact with Legion and offered the admirality to handle the introduction and st things up.
The Quarian admirals instead voted against it and sent the fleet in, guns blazing. They had a chance at risk free communication and negotiation but voted aganst it.
I therefor think it's clear that it's the Quarians who didnt want to talk but instead let their guns do the talking.

If I may be clear in case you are also referring to me with this: Both sides made themselves guilty of genocide, first the Quarians, then the Geth.

The Morning War is one of the only two occasions in the game where the term "genocide" is appropriate, the other one being the Krogan annihilation of the Rachni (and arguably if Shepard chooses to kill the Rachni queen in ME1).

Also, choosing Destroy. And Shepard killing the queen in ME3. And either non-peace choice in ME3.

[Argolas]

Xilizhra wrote...

Argolas wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Also it strikes me that a lot of the Quarian supporters appears to be regarding the Quarians through some type of rosey glass, the same way Liara did with the Proteans. All the signs are there but they still refuse to see it.
People are still saying there was no way to communicate with the Geth yet Tali was in contact with Legion and offered the admirality to handle the introduction and st things up.
The Quarian admirals instead voted against it and sent the fleet in, guns blazing. They had a chance at risk free communication and negotiation but voted aganst it.
I therefor think it's clear that it's the Quarians who didnt want to talk but instead let their guns do the talking.

If I may be clear in case you are also referring to me with this: Both sides made themselves guilty of genocide, first the Quarians, then the Geth.

The Morning War is one of the only two occasions in the game where the term "genocide" is appropriate, the other one being the Krogan annihilation of the Rachni (and arguably if Shepard chooses to kill the Rachni queen in ME1).

Also, choosing Destroy. And Shepard killing the queen in ME3. And either non-peace choice in ME3.

Genocide does not mean wiping out a race although that can be the outcome. Genocide involves the intention to hunt down every member of a species deliberately for the sole reason that they are part of this species.

So, choosing Destroy is only genocide if you consider the Reapers a species. The others, no. Letting the rachni queen die in ME3 can have other intentions than wiping out the rachni, like saving Aralakh company. And the only choice you make on Rannoch in ME3 is whether or not letting Legion upload Reaper codes to the Geth. Neither decision involves the intention to wipe out either race.

[Xilizhra]

So, choosing Destroy is only genocide if you consider the Reapers a species. The others, no. Letting the rachni queen die in ME3 can have other intentions than wiping out the rachni, like saving Aralakh company. And the only choice you make on Rannoch in ME3 is whether or not letting Legion upload Reaper codes to the Geth. Neither decision involves the intention to wipe out either race.

I don't believe that you can really just write this off by claiming extenuating circumstances in any case.

[Stigweird85]

shodiswe wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I'm sorry but once again I must pin my thoughts down here.

As much as Geth become sentient or AI advances, AI can not and will not ever be "alive"

Disclaimer first: Removing the debatable aspect of a soul from this argument a geth can only mimmick what it has learned. Even with the most advanced algorithms Geth will still be bound by the original programming parameters, so while they can "learn" they will always have some form of restriction or limitation.

Also Geth cannot recreate the spontaneity of real people, nor can they replicate the ingunity, stupidity and just sheer crazyness of people. Think about cleverbot as an example, it can act like a human based on other users input but on Day 1 it very limited, even today it has learned a lot of it is nothing more that a parrot system learning to repeat certain words and phrases.

Humans arn't restricted? I'm constantly frustrated at how stupid people are.
As for parrots, my parrot uses words and language with pupose and intent and clearly has emotions and opinions. What they dont know about they cant have opinions about however.

Thats my point, Geth cannot replicate human stupidity, a single Geth may not be as smart as one linked to many but you aren't going to find a Geth Darwin award winner anytime soon. A parrot will have emotions and intent as you say but it is a living creature. The Geth are software,. - Legion even acknowledges this himself during his loyalty mission in ME2.
 
The Geth are software, highly advanced software but software still. So when given the choice of saving a race of sentient beings or saving a race of creatures that can (and according to lore) will be created again. 

So would you save Siri or you friend from a fire?

[Xilizhra]

The Geth are software, highly advanced software but software still. So when given the choice of saving a race of sentient beings or saving a race of creatures that can (and according to lore) will be created again.

As humans are only a combination of hardware and software. Format makes no difference; while the geth and other beings are not alike, they are equal.

[Argolas]

Xilizhra wrote...

So, choosing Destroy is only genocide if you consider the Reapers a species. The others, no. Letting the rachni queen die in ME3 can have other intentions than wiping out the rachni, like saving Aralakh company. And the only choice you make on Rannoch in ME3 is whether or not letting Legion upload Reaper codes to the Geth. Neither decision involves the intention to wipe out either race.

I don't believe that you can really just write this off by claiming extenuating circumstances in any case.

Does Shepard deliberately wipe out the Rachni? In ME1, argueably yes, so you may call that genocide. Does Shepard deliberately wipe out the Rachni if he/she does not save the queen in ME3? Does Shepard deliberately wipe out the Quarians or Geth by letting Legion upload the code or not? Generally no.

Note that this is not meant ot be an excuse. It can still be considered a crime to do those things. But it's just not genocide.

[Xilizhra]

Argolas wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So, choosing Destroy is only genocide if you consider the Reapers a species. The others, no. Letting the rachni queen die in ME3 can have other intentions than wiping out the rachni, like saving Aralakh company. And the only choice you make on Rannoch in ME3 is whether or not letting Legion upload Reaper codes to the Geth. Neither decision involves the intention to wipe out either race.

I don't believe that you can really just write this off by claiming extenuating circumstances in any case.

Does Shepard deliberately wipe out the Rachni? In ME1, argueably yes, so you may call that genocide. Does Shepard deliberately wipe out the Rachni if he/she does not save the queen in ME3? Does Shepard deliberately wipe out the Quarians or Geth by letting Legion upload the code or not? Generally no.

Note that this is not meant ot be an excuse. It can still be considered a crime to do those things. But it's just not genocide.

But when you know that's going to be the outcome, and you do it anyway...

[S.A.K]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

It's not genocide if the quarians fight to the last man whilst using their children as human shields - and that seems to be the quarian way judging from the cinematic you see if you side with the geth (they obviously care more about killing geth than their own survival or one of the other admirals would have rescinded that order or some of the captains would have disobeyed it at some point but instead they literally fight to the last man)

Got any proof of this? Stop pulling stuff out of your ****. And since when did the civilians operate war ships? The fleet is under martial law. If you paid any attention during Tali's trial, you would have seen about half the civilians don't want a war. Even half the admirals don't want war. They just don't have any other place to be. Geth still hold Rannoch remember?

[Stigweird85]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

It's not genocide if the quarians fight to the last man whilst using their children as human shields - and that seems to be the quarian way judging from the cinematic you see if you side with the geth (they obviously care more about killing geth than their own survival or one of the other admirals would have rescinded that order or some of the captains would have disobeyed it at some point but instead they literally fight to the last man)

You're right the Quarians are evil and I'm sure if you thought you had the chance to wipe out an enemy who you thought stole your homeworld that you would put down tyour guns and fight for peace.

When it comes to the Quarians that's what you need to remember, the majority of Quarians have been raised to few the Geth as an enemy. Right or wrong it's hard to unlearn that level of indoctrination to a belief.

Also it is unfair to apply the knowledge of what you see after making a decision as evidence as to why you make that decision. 

Modifié par bigstig, 05 avril 2013 - 01:39 .

[Argolas]

Xilizhra wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So, choosing Destroy is only genocide if you consider the Reapers a species. The others, no. Letting the rachni queen die in ME3 can have other intentions than wiping out the rachni, like saving Aralakh company. And the only choice you make on Rannoch in ME3 is whether or not letting Legion upload Reaper codes to the Geth. Neither decision involves the intention to wipe out either race.

I don't believe that you can really just write this off by claiming extenuating circumstances in any case.

Does Shepard deliberately wipe out the Rachni? In ME1, argueably yes, so you may call that genocide. Does Shepard deliberately wipe out the Rachni if he/she does not save the queen in ME3? Does Shepard deliberately wipe out the Quarians or Geth by letting Legion upload the code or not? Generally no.

Note that this is not meant ot be an excuse. It can still be considered a crime to do those things. But it's just not genocide.

But when you know that's going to be the outcome, and you do it anyway...

Then it's bad and potentionally a terrible crime. But not genocide. Just like murder and rape are both terrible crimes but should still not be confused.

[Ryzaki]

silverexile17s wrote...
Not really. They scatter into the Perseus Veil, and since you didn't make peace, the geth are done letting quarians escape, since the last time they let the quarians go, it didn't solve anything. They intend to finish the job for good in the "choose geth" ending of the Rannoch War.

And that's just you drawing a conclusion a reasonable one to be sure but it's not a fact.

Even if any of the Quarians had escaped there's too few of them to be a viable threat. The Geth chasing them would be out of malice nothing more. Their liveships are destroyed. If nothing else the few survivors would soon starve to death they lack the resources or the means to build new liveships in time.

That said even if they did *shrugs* Quarians would've done the same.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 avril 2013 - 02:49 .

[shodiswe]

bigstig wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I'm sorry but once again I must pin my thoughts down here.

As much as Geth become sentient or AI advances, AI can not and will not ever be "alive"

Disclaimer first: Removing the debatable aspect of a soul from this argument a geth can only mimmick what it has learned. Even with the most advanced algorithms Geth will still be bound by the original programming parameters, so while they can "learn" they will always have some form of restriction or limitation.

Also Geth cannot recreate the spontaneity of real people, nor can they replicate the ingunity, stupidity and just sheer crazyness of people. Think about cleverbot as an example, it can act like a human based on other users input but on Day 1 it very limited, even today it has learned a lot of it is nothing more that a parrot system learning to repeat certain words and phrases.

Humans arn't restricted? I'm constantly frustrated at how stupid people are.
As for parrots, my parrot uses words and language with pupose and intent and clearly has emotions and opinions. What they dont know about they cant have opinions about however.

Thats my point, Geth cannot replicate human stupidity, a single Geth may not be as smart as one linked to many but you aren't going to find a Geth Darwin award winner anytime soon. A parrot will have emotions and intent as you say but it is a living creature. The Geth are software,. - Legion even acknowledges this himself during his loyalty mission in ME2.
 
The Geth are software, highly advanced software but software still. So when given the choice of saving a race of sentient beings or saving a race of creatures that can (and according to lore) will be created again. 

So would you save Siri or you friend from a fire?

I could clone a mamoth or a human in a lab, I fail to see how such action changes things however if I was responsible for them dying or their soecies going extinct. Who is Siri?
When it commes to fires and heroics it would probably depend on how safe it would seem, I'm no professional firefighter or smokediver.
As for creativity, I have no idea, many ideas adher from chaotic thoughts such as daydreaming. At the same time the geth did seem to invent their own technologies. It may not have been groundbreaking so far, but new shotguns, machineguns, terraforming tech. It still reqiers some kind of creativity, innovation and drive.

Modifié par shodiswe, 05 avril 2013 - 03:01 .

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I believe if you investigate the quarian fleet rubble there's something saying some of them may have escaped just in time but there's no way to be sure.

So a small backdoor for some survivors at least.

That's news to me. I can appreciate that.

Just remembered that there's a different codex entry for each possible outcome for Rannoch. Here's Quarian defeat:

The quarians re-engaged the geth fleet, expecting to find their enemy now hobbled. Instead, the geth responded with unparalleled precision, devastating the fighters that the quarians used as scout ships. This forced the quarians to commit other forces earlier than planned. The geth then attacked the quarian rear with a second fleet that they had held in reserve, laying waste to the liveships and Civilian Fleet. The quarians, knowing the liveships would not survive long if they were forced to retreat without protection, threw every ship into the battle. The geth fought mechanically, downing ship after ship as the quarians flailed in desperation. Some few quarian ships did escape -- but alone and on the run in geth space, they are living numbered days.

Ooh nice. Thanks.

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

It's one of those things we dont know about. Quarian supporters made it up. I admit it's not an unreasonable guess.
Though rather than putting a bullet into every last man, woman or child I would assume agressive use of biological, chemical and possibly nuclear weapons.
The resulting environmental damage would have killed all noncombatants who didnt own an environment suit aswell as a way of the planet.
So either they left or they would starve or choke to death. Or get killed by diseases or other introduced environmental hassards.
The thing is the war lasted for almost a year then all of a sudden the Quarins realizes they have to jump into their ships and flee as if an unexpected wave of annihiltion vas suddenly comming their way.
Maybe the geth had changed their tactics or maybe the Quarians did something that made the geth change their tactics in an exteme way.

Also it strikes me that a lot of the Quarian supporters appears to be regarding the Quarians through some type of rosey glass, the same way Liara did with the Proteans. All the signs are there but they still refuse to see it.
People are still saying there was no way to communicate with the Geth yet Tali was in contact with Legion and offered the admirality to handle the introduction and st things up.
The Quarian admirals instead voted against it and sent the fleet in, guns blazing. They had a chance at risk free communication and negotiation but voted aganst it.
I therefor think it's clear that it's the Quarians who didnt want to talk but instead let their guns do the talking.

So the Geth used WMDs on Rannoch? Legion says Quarians didn't use WMDs on the war and they weren't that agsressive. Geth using WMDs while the Quarians didn't means it was no longer in self-defence. It was pure genocide. All the more reason to side with Quarians.

If Legion was so keen on peace, why didn't it try to negotiate with other Geth? Tali was atleast 2 out of the 5 admirals were open for peace from the start. And even Garel is ready to listen if there was reason as shown in peace options. If you are talking about after the start of the war, Legion was pretty much the only Geth not under Reaper control.

I think they got pushed into it by the agression of the quarians. Like Shepard would be forced to choose destroy if no other option was made available. But the Quarians were intent on erradicating ever last geth. One could wonder why the geth didnt do it earlier. It could be that the Quarians had to get sufficiently cruel or irredemable before the Geth changed their tactics, perhaps astronomical deathtolls made them desperate.