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So... You claim the Quarians made Tali an admiral immediately after coming back to the fleet? Because it was said she was made an admiral to help them with the war effort as a technocal expert on the Geth. The war necessitated additional experts like Tali. The fact that she was with the fleet didn't make her an admiral from the get go.
Also when you meet the admirals before going to the Rannoch system you learn that Rannoch isn't the first system they attacked, they drove the Geth from other systems on the way to rannoch. The war didn't start with the attack on the sphere, the Geth did have plenty of time, but during their attack on the shere the signal got activated.
They don't specificly tell you how long they had been fighting that war until they got into trouble.
On the citadel you're told that spectre inteligence is worried about a war breaking up and Quarian ships moving in on the geth and recalling all quarians on pilgrimage.
Then they fight the geth system by system til they get to the Geth's home system tannoch where the geth had collected and consolidated their forces for a last stand.
You are accusing the Geth to have had reaper influence from before the Quarians attacked, when everything here tells us they hadn't, the Quarians were quite sucessful at nearly wiping out the Geth race/species.. Then in their desperation they accepted the Reaper offer hoping it would buy them some time..
In other wors you're wrong what you're saying is jsut headcannon on your part.
I don't even think Tali got to vote if the conclave had a chance to vote, noone says the conclave had a vote. But only crewmembers of Quarian ships get to vote, Tali isn't recognized following the admirals choice to make her Tali Zorah Vas Normandy, a non flotilla ship.
How can that survivor on Rannoch tell you the civilians didn't want war? How can Koris tell you they didn't want that war if they were allowed to vote on it? They would have won that vote in that case?
Logic dictates that the claim of a conclave vote makes no sense. Unless it was overriden by the admiralty, yet there they are.
Further more we're told the Admirals had no interest in trying to communicate or negotiate, they voted agaisnt it 3 to 2 after Tali brought it up after they had already decided to go to war. Tali was brought in to advice and help with the war effort.
It pleases me that Tali didn't betray my Shepard's confidence, it's unfortunate that the Quarian Admiralty oligarchy decided to go agasint the will of the citadel council and my Shepard, and from what we're told the will of their people. It is also unfortunate that they see peacetalks, negotiations and coexistance as undesirable. They really arn't good at making a case for the Quarians side of it. The Quarian side of it when looking at it objectively looks really bad.
She STILL was part of the overall vote. And she DOES have some measure of power, like how she was pushing against Xen on whether to recover quarian lifepods, or let Xen salvage the geth dreadnought. Raan tells Tali that she needed the "political leverage" the position gave. Tali spicifically tells you that when she returned to the fleet, she was invited into the Admiralty Board. So, YES, Tali WAS made an Admiral shortly after her return to the fleet - after all, why plan an attack on the geth
without the quarians most achieved geth expert presant?
And again, NO. The geth spicifcally say the attack on the Megastructure was what forced them to ally with the Reapers. Also, the quarians pushed through those systems to get to Rannoch. The same path a Reaper would have had to take to get there. HOW exactally do you think a Reaper got past the quarians as they were moving to Rannoch? Because as far as I can tell, the path the quarians took - through four geth systems - was the only path. After all, if they could just jump to Rannoch, they would do so. But again, if that is the only way to Rannoch, then the Reaper would have taken that path to, and would have had to move past, and overtake, the quarian fleet without being discovered. Something which I doubt the Destroyer could do.
Um... Yes they do. Gerrel says "seventeen days ago, with precision attacks on four geth systems, the quarians initiated the war to retake our homeworld."
17 days. That's pretty damn exact. And since the Rannoch invasion was at the end of that arc, that means about a day or so. Two at the most.
And AGAIN, wrong. Spectre intelligence tells you that the quarians are gearing up to fight someone, but no information on who. Remember, Diana Allers tells you in an E-Mail to your terminal that, aside from the Alliance brass and the Council,
no one else in the wider galaxy is even aware the quarians went into the Perseus Veil, let alone tried to re-take Rannoch from the geth.
Also, I'd hardly call it a last stand, since it's been confirmed that there were thousands outside the Veil. The Asari Councilor tells you that thousands of geth bodies, filled with Reaper code in place of actual geth programs, still exist outside the Veil (these are the same geth that you face in ME3 Multiplayer missions). So no, while the core of the geth fleet was at Rannoch, there were many more scattered across the Veil, either brushed past in the quarian's mad dash to take Rannoch, or having left the Veil to join the Reapers in the war.
As I stated above, it's actually the
opposate of your claims: there is nothing but evidence to support geth contact with the Reapers prior to the war. And "buy time?"
You are the one using headcannon. The geth knew full well they would never be able to escape Reaper control if the took the offer. In the end, they didn't care if it ment survival.
Reaper somehow beats the quarians in getting to Rannoch, despite that they would have to take the same path, and it does so without them noticing it. Unlikely.
The Reaper was there before the assault began. Likely.
And AGAIN, dead wrong. In ME2, when asking Gerrel about the underlying reason for Tali's trial, he says that they "almost had the votes. We just need to give people hope for victory." An indication that the quarian's war plans were put to vote among the populance of the Migrant Fleet.
And AGAIN, wrong. Tali is made an Admiral with at least a measure of power, given that Tali tells you the reason she took the position was so that she could press back against any reckless ideas, like Xen's.
And you yourself argue about the geth not wanting to fight, but doing so in desperation. The quarians agree to do the same, because they felt the only alternitive was to sit in space and die. You defend the geth making a choice they don't want to make out of desperation, yet chastize the quarians for the exact same?
And AGAIN, overruled by Admiralty is impossible without ALL THE ADMIRALS agreeing to it. Quarian law expressedly forbids Gerrel, Raan, and Xen from sending the fleet to war unless Tali and Koris agree, or unless the majority vote of the Migrant Fleet's population agrees. And AGAIN, no reason to believe a single geth, after tens of thousands assaulted the Citadel. I swear, you aren't even reading anything I've put up.
And AGAIN, dead wrong. The Council declaired open war on the geth after Eden Prime, issueing a kill order on all geth. Geth are listed as to be shot on sight after their attack on the Citadel (which the True geth never came out to clarify wasn't caused by them).That treaty Koris mentions is completely redundant by the time the quarians launched their attack.
AGAIN, dead wrong. Quarian law forbids a course of war without the Admiralty Board being in unanimous agreement. Otherwise, a majority vote from the Conclave can overrule the decsion to march to war. Instead, since the march to war took place
, the majority of the quarian population willingly voted to go to war. How many times must one say "willingly voted" before it dawns on you that they willingly voted to go to war?
And AGAIN,
dead wrong. They saw no reason to believe it. It was NOTHING like that. If it was, Gerrel would have kept attacking the geth and ignored Shepard's order to stand down in the Paragon/Renagade conversations. He stands down. So OBVIOUSLY, they aren't as unwilling to peace as you headcannon them to be. If they thought peace was possible, they WOULD have tried it. The entire reason they attacked is because they thought peace WASN'T possible. What about that do you not understand?
When looking at it
objectively, it's NOTHING like you describe it.
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