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[Dean_the_Young]

Khelish wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

They're easily the strongest military in the game post reaper upgrades. Easily.

... and it doesn't matter at all, because we cannot beat the Reapers conventionally.

If it's true in the first place. How much more effective would they have been vis-a-vis the Reapers, who already had them beat in the first place?

[NeonFlux117]

Khelish wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

They're easily the strongest military in the game post reaper upgrades. Easily.

... and it doesn't matter at all, because we cannot beat the Reapers conventionally.

yeah I know but the Geth could hold out for a very long time if they had to. I'd say at least 10 or so years. I mean the prothean held out for a LONG time, 100 years I think. So it's not reaching to say the Geth could hold out a while to. 

[Only-Twin]

Iamjdr wrote...

I've met jerk quarians,nice quarians,slave quarians,dying quarians, overzealous quarians, honorable quarians and the list goes on and on but of the Geth , I've only ever met legion and the heretics. if that doesn't stop and make you think for a bit then I don't know what to tell you.

Legion alone is essentially the "good" geth. Whereas there were many honorable quarians. The games make it pretty clear that they are good people who have been the victims of poor leadership. 

[WheatleyHQ]

Siding with the Geth is strategically sound, but would leave me saddened over Tali's, and the entire race Quarians, death.

[NeonFlux117]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Khelish wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

They're easily the strongest military in the game post reaper upgrades. Easily.

... and it doesn't matter at all, because we cannot beat the Reapers conventionally.

If it's true in the first place. How much more effective would they have been vis-a-vis the Reapers, who already had them beat in the first place?

Post reaper upgrades the Geth are capable fo free will and their military and tactical prowess increases to a rate than no other military (except the reapers) can match- but again the silly EMS statistic say's the geth are behind like what the 3rd of 4th bes "EMS" asset. That's a joke, but the devs did it for balance. Hell, I think I united Geth fleet and Turian and Human fleet could retake Earth. But I also think that this cycle could take out the reapers or at least pro long the extinction for at least as long as the prothean, but again it was done this way for a game mechanic. So arguing this stuff is academic at best. 

[Rhayak]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
How do billions of Quarians qualify for that?

Billions of dead is the very regrettable result of the Morning war, but how it started is a huge factor in determining the Geth's fault in it.

= none. Their only alternative was a passive death. Even if there is no moral high ground in war, the Quarians left them no choice. Same thing happens later, during the reclamation of Rannoch.

They were rounded up for mass forced labor and execution camps?

That's a tad extreme exageration of what was in the game.

I just said they were silenced. That's what you are told in the game, and that's what happens in dictatorships.

We can safely assume they were executed. The labor camp thing is just something you can make up.

[Iamjdr]

How is siding with the Geth more strategically sound? They can be hacked by the reapers plus they have sideded with them twice. What is strategically sound about strengthening potential reaper allies while letting them obliterate our own original allies. Cause don't forget admiral hackett sent shep to retrieve the quarians not the Geth.

[Only-Twin]

Billions of dead is the very regrettable result of the Morning war, but how it started is a huge factor in determining the Geth's fault in it.

= none. Their only alternative was a passive death. Even if there is no moral high ground in war, the Quarians left them no choice. Same thing happens later, during the reclamation of Rannoch.

So everything is justified because the geth didn't start it? By that logic we can say anything in the Middle East is justified because of 9/11 or detaining Japanese civilians in WWII was justified because their kind started it.

Modifié par Only-Twin, 17 mars 2013 - 06:24 .

[Dunabar]

I would side with the Quarians each and every time. Hackett needs ships, the quarians got them, my main Shepard's LI is a quarian, and my Shepard went out to complete his objective. Get the Quarians to aid with the war.

[NeonFlux117]

Only-Twin wrote...

Billions of dead is the very regrettable result of the Morning war, but how it started is a huge factor in determining the Geth's fault in it.

= none. Their only alternative was a passive death. Even if there is no moral high ground in war, the Quarians left them no choice. Same thing happens later, during the reclamation of Rannoch.

So everything is justified because the geth didn't start it? By that logic we can say anything in the Middle East is justified because of 9/11 or detaining Japanese civilians in WWII was justified because their kind started it.

 the middle east will always hate America, it's a relegion and support of Israel thing. But many middle east countries are craving democracy- on their own merrit, this is a positive, to bad our country can't help because of the resources wasted in Iraq and afghanistan for 10 years. But that's what happens you let a goof ball ( Bush ) run the country for 8 years. Bad things happen. 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 17 mars 2013 - 06:28 .

[Rhayak]

Only-Twin wrote...
So everything is justified because the geth didn't start it? By that logic we can say anything in the Middle East is justified because of 9/11 or detaining Japanese civilians in WWII was justified because their kind started it.

Oh my gosh. No. It's justified because the only alternative the Geth had was DEATH. Ok? The Quarians had started KILLING THEM ALL (and also the Quarians who disagreed).

Modifié par Rhayak, 17 mars 2013 - 06:30 .

[Kenshen]

Maybe if the geth started to speak like HK-47 then I would probably consider it. Otherwise I would always go with quarians since they are organic.

[Iamjdr]

It isn't justified because they shouldn't even have become sentient in the first place. It was an accident that the quarians tried to contain, and ironiclly enough the Geth ended up doing exactly what everyone fears AI would. The started murdering everyone.

[Only-Twin]

There was obviously a point where the geth gained the upper hand. I don't see how killing 99% of a species is self-defense. It's just not possible.

Modifié par Only-Twin, 17 mars 2013 - 06:40 .

[S.A.K]

Anyone who kills 17 million men, women and childern to save a bunch of toasters (living or not) is a f*cking basterd in my book.<_<

[NeonFlux117]

Iamjdr wrote...

It isn't justified because they shouldn't even have become sentient in the first place. It was an accident that the quarians tried to contain, and ironiclly enough the Geth ended up doing exactly what everyone fears AI would. The started murdering everyone.

only AFTER the Quarians murdered them and made them slaves. The geth are not violent by nature. They only react. The Geth heretics were an incredibly small percentile of the Geth population. They only allied with the reapers cause the quarins started another war. This is after Shepard tells them not too!!! Mind boggling. The Quarians are dumb. 

[Iamjdr]

First the Geth were made as work units by the Quarians, they didn't enslave them. And the Geth are machines that the quarians were trying to deactivate not murder. because they are obviously dangerous or are you gonna tell me all those billions of quarians who died on rannoch was from friendly fire? And who cares what shep told the quarians? is he their leader? what say does he have in there decision process?

[Dean_the_Young]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Khelish wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

They're easily the strongest military in the game post reaper upgrades. Easily.

... and it doesn't matter at all, because we cannot beat the Reapers conventionally.

If it's true in the first place. How much more effective would they have been vis-a-vis the Reapers, who already had them beat in the first place?

Post reaper upgrades the Geth are capable fo free will and their military and tactical prowess increases to a rate than no other military (except the reapers) can match- but again the silly EMS statistic say's the geth are behind like what the 3rd of 4th bes "EMS" asset. That's a joke, but the devs did it for balance. Hell, I think I united Geth fleet and Turian and Human fleet could retake Earth. But I also think that this cycle could take out the reapers or at least pro long the extinction for at least as long as the prothean, but again it was done this way for a game mechanic. So arguing this stuff is academic at best. 

And unsupported, at this point.

[NeonFlux117]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Khelish wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

They're easily the strongest military in the game post reaper upgrades. Easily.

... and it doesn't matter at all, because we cannot beat the Reapers conventionally.

If it's true in the first place. How much more effective would they have been vis-a-vis the Reapers, who already had them beat in the first place?

Post reaper upgrades the Geth are capable fo free will and their military and tactical prowess increases to a rate than no other military (except the reapers) can match- but again the silly EMS statistic say's the geth are behind like what the 3rd of 4th bes "EMS" asset. That's a joke, but the devs did it for balance. Hell, I think I united Geth fleet and Turian and Human fleet could retake Earth. But I also think that this cycle could take out the reapers or at least pro long the extinction for at least as long as the prothean, but again it was done this way for a game mechanic. So arguing this stuff is academic at best. 

And unsupported, at this point.

Agreed. 

[Iamjdr]

Not only that but legion himself told me that the "true Geth" oppose the old machines and want to make there own future. Then I get to rannoch and not only have they side with the reapers with all the heretics dead but now they NEED reaper upgrades to be alive? Atleast the quarians are consistent. They have payed for there actions tenfold but that's not enough for some people. But the Geth are running around murdering folk left and right bit don't worry that's not the "true Geth" right? Right?

[NeonFlux117]

Iamjdr wrote...

Not only that but legion himself told me that the "true Geth" oppose the old machines and want to make there own future. Then I get to rannoch and not only have they side with the reapers with all the heretics dead but now they NEED reaper upgrades to be alive? Atleast the quarians are consistent. They have payed for there actions tenfold but that's not enough for some people. But the Geth are running around murdering folk left and right bit don't worry that's not the "true Geth" right? Right?

If the Geth wanted to rebel against organics post reaper upgrades or if they geth were being controlled by the reapers then they would not have sided with Shepard and the alllied fleets. And if peace is brokered and quarians still alive the Geth would not have aided Quarinas for coming back to Rannoch. Heck, Tali tells you that the geth are helping the quarians in ways she can't believe. Even uploading in their suits and perhaps making it possible for the quarins to not use them. The geth are not evil, they're not, in fact they're at the very worst indifferent and reactive. But given the oppurtunity to be free and whole what do they do. They aid in desingn the crucible, the aid in helping the Quarians re-take  Rannoch, they fight the reapers and retake Earth and the help the Quarians with perhaps making it possible for them not to live in a suit. They CHOOSE to do these things. 

geth at FOB in London- "There will be no more reasoning with the old machines" Geth speak for "Shepard we got your back go blow these reapers a-holes of this planet and straight to hell.". The geth are not evil and they don't have an agenda. 

[Only-Twin]

You also have to keep in mind that when the quarian government ordered the geth deactivated, they were only beginning to show signs of sentience. It was still the wrong decision and I don't condone it, but I understand the intent. They were trying to deactivate the geth before they could become true AIs. Unfortunately, the geth were more advanced than the quarians realized.

[Rip504]

...,but there is peace.

[S.A.K]

Seriously, the best thing about the destroy ending is the destruction of Geth. That way I can use thier war assets and get rid of them later.

Thank you Bioware.