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[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

Just Cav wrote...

I don't know if the rest of you realize this, but you are effectively forced to choose via dialogue wheel right before you find out that you have a Paragon/Renegade option to save both.

I know, it's only slightly problematic however.. The thing is, by use of simple logic you know it's the Quarians that are the agressors, you can't save the Geth if you support the Quarians becase their goal is the extermination of the Geth.

However if you choose the Geth then you can "atempt" to make the Quarians stop and see reason and hope they can resolve things.

Like I said before(a few pages back) when someone is getting attacked by a gang in a dark alley it would make no sense for the passing police officer to walk over to the victim and tell him to stop resisting. Unless of course you prefer the victim dead or beaten up for some reason. Shepard is a Spectre and a council and alliance diplomat, it's Shepards job to mediate and know which is which. If you do your job right the Asari councilor will be impressed by your ability to end a 300 year old conflict. Something they have been too stupid and closeminded to accomplish.

You don't have to choose the Geth first to initiate peace. Both first options are ok.

Geth weren't "resisting", they have given themselves willingly to the enemy and the Geth were too stupid to expect the Quarians would want their world back at some point. They were holding a world they do not need (any world is ok for the Geth), which is the only world the Quarians could live and the Geth were shooting anything trying to approch it. So the Quarians are forced to go to war. And they were building a dyson sphere there while they could have used any other star. If it was completed. It would kill everything on Rannoch because it will cut sun light.

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Just Cav wrote...

I don't know if the rest of you realize this, but you are effectively forced to choose via dialogue wheel right before you find out that you have a Paragon/Renegade option to save both.

I know, it's only slightly problematic however.. The thing is, by use of simple logic you know it's the Quarians that are the agressors, you can't save the Geth if you support the Quarians becase their goal is the extermination of the Geth.

However if you choose the Geth then you can "atempt" to make the Quarians stop and see reason and hope they can resolve things.

Like I said before(a few pages back) when someone is getting attacked by a gang in a dark alley it would make no sense for the passing police officer to walk over to the victim and tell him to stop resisting. Unless of course you prefer the victim dead or beaten up for some reason. Shepard is a Spectre and a council and alliance diplomat, it's Shepards job to mediate and know which is which. If you do your job right the Asari councilor will be impressed by your ability to end a 300 year old conflict. Something they have been too stupid and closeminded to accomplish.

You don't have to choose the Geth first to initiate peace. Both first options are ok.

Geth weren't "resisting", they have given themselves willingly to the enemy and the Geth were too stupid to expect the Quarians would want their world back at some point. They were holding a world they do not need (any world is ok for the Geth), which is the only world the Quarians could live and the Geth were shooting anything trying to approch it. So the Quarians are forced to go to war. And they were building a dyson sphere there while they could have used any other star. If it was completed. It would kill everything on Rannoch because it will cut sun light.

That sphere doesnt' have to cut the light in the Equatorial region that warms the planets of the Rannoch star system. Most of the sun light of a star is wasted only a very small fraction of the sunlight reaches the planets orbiting the star.

Also, you cant make peace by choosing the Quarians at the start because that is the same as saying no to Legion, and that's a deathsentence for Legion and his people. If you can make peace after telling legion no, then I would like to see it, such a thing doesn't make sense.

Garrel want's t destroy the defenceless geth ships, he won't stop as long as he thinks they will remain defenceless and his purification can procede.

Modifié par shodiswe, 07 avril 2013 - 03:21 .

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

One additional problem here is that people played the game differently resulting in characters behivign differently which in turn affects the players view on events and characters.

It's almost like people didn't play the same game when you look at the details, even if it all commes down to the same choices at the end of ME3.

So are you saying you have more or less perspective on the matter than everyone else?

Least there isn't a geth LI in the series. Though people can like Legion all the same, like people like wrex. I am however judging people by their actions, if it had been a legal matter then the Quarians would be the offenders who trid to murder the Geth. People are usualy allowed to defend themselves. The geth stops attacking if the Quarians stops threatening them. The Involved Quarians would get jailtime or worse, the Geth would likely walk free seeing as they only defended themselves.
Murder or massmurder to aquier property, someone elses property, that usualy counts as a crime in most courts. 
This is one of the consideration I'm taking. The actions of the Quarians can't be excused.

So are the actions of Geth. If the Geth only engaged the Quarian military that maybe so. But thats not the case now is it. And the Geth didn't stop killing there. Been doing that for 300 more years.

Ok let's look at the moment when Shepard chooses the side. In a realistic situation, Tali or Raan would have just shot Legion. Sure Shepard can shoot her or something if he want, but the Geth are pretty screwed aren't they.

Legion never struck me as defenceless, though that upload might be compromising his awareness of what's going on around him. Also Legion also makes it clear that the Geth don't leave the veil. Tbh, according to Legion the Quarians never settled for peace with the Geth, a concept which is familiar to Legion. Unfortunately we have already established that the Quarians cant even contemplate the idea of a peace unless Shepard forces it at the end with Koris and Tali as supporters. The Geth can't sure for peace on their own. The Citadel DLC shows the stupidity of unarmed synthetics atempting direct contact with organics to negotiate peace.
I wonder what Xen's thoughts were durign Legion's upload, maybe she told Garrel to stop aswell we just didn't hear that transmission or maybe she was there with Garrel and noticed the upload.
Also all of the targets that the Geth attacked during this conflict were armed and engaged in the conquest of the Geth homeworld/system. Every Quarian ship was armed and there to fight, there were no non-military targets among the Quarians.
Hopefully the Quarians will get more agreeable in the future.
All we know is that the Quarians only stop if Shepard goes to extreme lenghts to accomplish a peaceful settlement and support Koris and save him from the crashsite.

Like I said, the Geth arn't pushing for the war, if you want peace then you have to convince the Quarians.

Well Tali and Raan both nail him pretty easy.
The rest is just plain wrong. First Geth didn't do anything to show they were open for peace. If they actually wanted peace, why cut all communications and shoot anything entering their systems? They only sent one Geth in 300 year that even talks to organics, without it, even Shepard wouldn't know about Heretics. If that was their idea of peace, it's pretty strange idea. And when they can't take on the Quarians themselves, they just join the Reapers. I don't see anything to suggest the Quarian admirals knew about the upload. I don't see how explaining the situation in a few lines over the radio is "extreme". Atleast 2 of the Quarian admiral were open for peace. If the Geth actually contacted them, they might have settled for peace. Legion just talks about peace, but never acts on it. Legion even cut contacts with Tali before they start the war. Quarians are far more agreeable than you want to see. They don't join Reapers, don't need Reaper tech or try to kill Shepard. All they need is information.

[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

Also, you cant make peace by choosing the Quarians at the start because that is the same as saying no to Legion, and that's a deathsentence for Legion and his people. If you can make peace after telling legion no, then I would like to see it, such a thing doesn't make sense.

Yes, you can. How about you go play the game, sir.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Just Cav wrote...

I don't know if the rest of you realize this, but you are effectively forced to choose via dialogue wheel right before you find out that you have a Paragon/Renegade option to save both.

I know, it's only slightly problematic however.. The thing is, by use of simple logic you know it's the Quarians that are the agressors, you can't save the Geth if you support the Quarians becase their goal is the extermination of the Geth.

However if you choose the Geth then you can "atempt" to make the Quarians stop and see reason and hope they can resolve things.

Like I said before(a few pages back) when someone is getting attacked by a gang in a dark alley it would make no sense for the passing police officer to walk over to the victim and tell him to stop resisting. Unless of course you prefer the victim dead or beaten up for some reason. Shepard is a Spectre and a council and alliance diplomat, it's Shepards job to mediate and know which is which. If you do your job right the Asari councilor will be impressed by your ability to end a 300 year old conflict. Something they have been too stupid and closeminded to accomplish.

You don't have to choose the Geth first to initiate peace. Both first options are ok.

Geth weren't "resisting", they have given themselves willingly to the enemy and the Geth were too stupid to expect the Quarians would want their world back at some point. They were holding a world they do not need (any world is ok for the Geth), which is the only world the Quarians could live and the Geth were shooting anything trying to approch it. So the Quarians are forced to go to war. And they were building a dyson sphere there while they could have used any other star. If it was completed. It would kill everything on Rannoch because it will cut sun light.

That sphere doesnt' have to cut the light in the Equatorial region that warms the planets of the Rannoch star system. Most of the sun light of a star is wasted only a very small fraction of the sunlight reaches the planets orbiting the star.

Also, you cant make peace by choosing the Quarians at the start because that is the same as saying no to Legion, and that's a deathsentence for Legion and his people. If you can make peace after telling legion no, then I would like to see it, such a thing doesn't make sense.

Garrel want's t destroy the defenceless geth ships, he won't stop as long as he thinks they will remain defenceless and his purification can procede.

It's Dyson SPHERE as in round ball thing that cover the whole star. Look it up in the internet.

I am talking about start of the choice. Sorry if I gave you a wrong idea.

Ofcause he wants them destroyed. He has no idea what they will do when they come to their senses. And they were shooting a few minutes ago... They came that far to take their world back, not to run away in the last moment. Geth wouldn't give them back the world peacefully for the 300 years. Why would be believe they will now?

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

One additional problem here is that people played the game differently resulting in characters behivign differently which in turn affects the players view on events and characters.

It's almost like people didn't play the same game when you look at the details, even if it all commes down to the same choices at the end of ME3.

So are you saying you have more or less perspective on the matter than everyone else?

Least there isn't a geth LI in the series. Though people can like Legion all the same, like people like wrex. I am however judging people by their actions, if it had been a legal matter then the Quarians would be the offenders who trid to murder the Geth. People are usualy allowed to defend themselves. The geth stops attacking if the Quarians stops threatening them. The Involved Quarians would get jailtime or worse, the Geth would likely walk free seeing as they only defended themselves.
Murder or massmurder to aquier property, someone elses property, that usualy counts as a crime in most courts. 
This is one of the consideration I'm taking. The actions of the Quarians can't be excused.

So are the actions of Geth. If the Geth only engaged the Quarian military that maybe so. But thats not the case now is it. And the Geth didn't stop killing there. Been doing that for 300 more years.

Ok let's look at the moment when Shepard chooses the side. In a realistic situation, Tali or Raan would have just shot Legion. Sure Shepard can shoot her or something if he want, but the Geth are pretty screwed aren't they.

Legion never struck me as defenceless, though that upload might be compromising his awareness of what's going on around him. Also Legion also makes it clear that the Geth don't leave the veil. Tbh, according to Legion the Quarians never settled for peace with the Geth, a concept which is familiar to Legion. Unfortunately we have already established that the Quarians cant even contemplate the idea of a peace unless Shepard forces it at the end with Koris and Tali as supporters. The Geth can't sure for peace on their own. The Citadel DLC shows the stupidity of unarmed synthetics atempting direct contact with organics to negotiate peace.
I wonder what Xen's thoughts were durign Legion's upload, maybe she told Garrel to stop aswell we just didn't hear that transmission or maybe she was there with Garrel and noticed the upload.
Also all of the targets that the Geth attacked during this conflict were armed and engaged in the conquest of the Geth homeworld/system. Every Quarian ship was armed and there to fight, there were no non-military targets among the Quarians.
Hopefully the Quarians will get more agreeable in the future.
All we know is that the Quarians only stop if Shepard goes to extreme lenghts to accomplish a peaceful settlement and support Koris and save him from the crashsite.

Like I said, the Geth arn't pushing for the war, if you want peace then you have to convince the Quarians.

Well Tali and Raan both nail him pretty easy.
The rest is just plain wrong. First Geth didn't do anything to show they were open for peace. If they actually wanted peace, why cut all communications and shoot anything entering their systems? They only sent one Geth in 300 year that even talks to organics, without it, even Shepard wouldn't know about Heretics. If that was their idea of peace, it's pretty strange idea. And when they can't take on the Quarians themselves, they just join the Reapers. I don't see anything to suggest the Quarian admirals knew about the upload. I don't see how explaining the situation in a few lines over the radio is "extreme". Atleast 2 of the Quarian admiral were open for peace. If the Geth actually contacted them, they might have settled for peace. Legion just talks about peace, but never acts on it. Legion even cut contacts with Tali before they start the war. Quarians are far more agreeable than you want to see. They don't join Reapers, don't need Reaper tech or try to kill Shepard. All they need is information.

It's not specified if it's before or after the war that legion stops returning the calls, it's either after the Quarians starts attacking or after they noticed the Quarian fleet buildup right outside their territory. Which is a very hostile and thratening action.
The Quarian admiralty even held a vote that decided against atempting peacetalks. That's not very agreeable. That was before Legion stopped returning calls. My guess is that the other Geth "imprisoned" Legion and "Shackled" him for being to chatty and friendly with the enemy that was moving in on them. Or at the very least they might have forbidden further exchanges with the enemy out of fear of giving away sensitive information to the attacking fleets geth expert.
In war casual and friendly communication with the enemy is always a sensitive topic.

[shodiswe]

Khelish wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Also, you cant make peace by choosing the Quarians at the start because that is the same as saying no to Legion, and that's a deathsentence for Legion and his people. If you can make peace after telling legion no, then I would like to see it, such a thing doesn't make sense.

Yes, you can. How about you go play the game, sir.

Not without the Quarians killing the Geth....

[S.A.K]

In the end I'd still pick peace so that I can use the Geth in the war as well as the betterment of the Quarians and kill them off along with the Reapers. This is the worst thing I can imagin doing to the Geth for everything they done, well other than let them live as the Reaper's b*tch.

I am glad that most of the players have done the same...

[shodiswe]

I not the renegade type but this is how it should be done.
I find it very fitting.

[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

Not without the Quarians killing the Geth....

In the dialogue, you are given two chances to pick a side. You can tell Legion to upload the code, then you can save the Quarians. You can also choose to tell Legion that you won't allow him to upload the code, then proceed to allow it.

You can allow the code upload, then tell Legion you won't go along with it any longer, he then tries to choke you to death...

Makes him look even more unstable and untrustworthy. Giving the Geth Reaper code was never my plan, and will never happen. Funny thing is, if the Geth didn't try to get Reaper code at the end of Rannoch, I would be more sympathetic to their cause.

[shodiswe]

Khelish wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Not without the Quarians killing the Geth....

In the dialogue, you are given two chances to pick a side. You can tell Legion to upload the code, then you can save the Quarians. You can also choose to tell Legion that you won't allow him to upload the code, then proceed to allow it.

You can allow the code upload, then tell Legion you won't go along with it any longer, he then tries to choke you to death...

Makes him look even more unstable and untrustworthy. Giving the Geth Reaper code was never my plan, and will never happen. Funny thing is, if the Geth didn't try to get Reaper code at the end of Rannoch, I would be more sympathetic to their cause.

Everything that every species has is reaperbased, most of it anyway, the spaceships, weapons, massrelays, shields, most massefect based technology. The geth arn't becoming Reapers they are merely salvaging some technology that they reverseengineered. They are not downloading reaper personalities.
By watching Legion you can see it's not a pawn of the Reapers, his reverse enginering of the reaper code was sucessful. Just like the turians reverseengineering Thanix cannons.

If you refuse the upload then you deny the Geth their existance, the Quarians will wipe them out. What would you do if someone was dooming your species? It's very understandable. There is no scenari where legion doesn't upload the code where the geth survive. The Quarians arn't merciful.

Modifié par shodiswe, 07 avril 2013 - 03:53 .

[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

his reverse enginering of the reaper code was sucessful. Just like the turians reverseengineering Thanix cannons.

*sigh*

How many times...

Reaper code =/= Thanix Cannons, Mass Relays, Citadel... etc...

Reaper code that Legion uses is not in all Reaper tech.

[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

The Quarians arn't merciful.

The Geth are not merciful either, why should the Quarians return the favor?

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Well Tali and Raan both nail him pretty easy.
The rest is just plain wrong. First Geth didn't do anything to show they were open for peace. If they actually wanted peace, why cut all communications and shoot anything entering their systems? They only sent one Geth in 300 year that even talks to organics, without it, even Shepard wouldn't know about Heretics. If that was their idea of peace, it's pretty strange idea. And when they can't take on the Quarians themselves, they just join the Reapers. I don't see anything to suggest the Quarian admirals knew about the upload. I don't see how explaining the situation in a few lines over the radio is "extreme". Atleast 2 of the Quarian admiral were open for peace. If the Geth actually contacted them, they might have settled for peace. Legion just talks about peace, but never acts on it. Legion even cut contacts with Tali before they start the war. Quarians are far more agreeable than you want to see. They don't join Reapers, don't need Reaper tech or try to kill Shepard. All they need is information.

It's not specified if it's before or after the war that legion stops returning the calls, it's either after the Quarians starts attacking or after they noticed the Quarian fleet buildup right outside their territory. Which is a very hostile and thratening action.
The Quarian admiralty even held a vote that decided against atempting peacetalks. That's not very agreeable. That was before Legion stopped returning calls. My guess is that the other Geth "imprisoned" Legion and "Shackled" him for being to chatty and friendly with the enemy that was moving in on them. Or at the very least they might have forbidden further exchanges with the enemy out of fear of giving away sensitive information to the attacking fleets geth expert.
In war casual and friendly communication with the enemy is always a sensitive topic.

If you listen to Tali's perticular dialogue, it's clear that was a bit after Shepard was take into custody. So it's way before the war.
Like I said, they didn't know Geth were open for peace maybe other than Tali and they did not have a communications channel to the Geth. They have cut all communications remember?
When do you suppose the highlighted part happened? If it's before the war, it shows Geth are not open for peace. If it was after the war, it couldn't happen. Geth were under Reaper control.
I conclude that you agree with the rest of what I said.

[shodiswe]

Khelish wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

his reverse enginering of the reaper code was sucessful. Just like the turians reverseengineering Thanix cannons.

*sigh*

How many times...

Reaper code =/= Thanix Cannons, Mass Relays, Citadel... etc...

Reaper code that Legion uses is not in all Reaper tech.

Why does the reaper code upset you? It's not changing them into reapers. It's also the only way they can save themselves from the Quarians. They are no longer controled by the Reapers the are no loger reaper pawns but that meens nothing to the Quarians, they just want to anihilate them no matter what.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

The Quarians arn't merciful.

Maybe not to the Geth. Tali seems pretty merciful and all the admirals honor Shepard for what he done. Geth done nothing to deserve mercy.

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Well Tali and Raan both nail him pretty easy.
The rest is just plain wrong. First Geth didn't do anything to show they were open for peace. If they actually wanted peace, why cut all communications and shoot anything entering their systems? They only sent one Geth in 300 year that even talks to organics, without it, even Shepard wouldn't know about Heretics. If that was their idea of peace, it's pretty strange idea. And when they can't take on the Quarians themselves, they just join the Reapers. I don't see anything to suggest the Quarian admirals knew about the upload. I don't see how explaining the situation in a few lines over the radio is "extreme". Atleast 2 of the Quarian admiral were open for peace. If the Geth actually contacted them, they might have settled for peace. Legion just talks about peace, but never acts on it. Legion even cut contacts with Tali before they start the war. Quarians are far more agreeable than you want to see. They don't join Reapers, don't need Reaper tech or try to kill Shepard. All they need is information.

It's not specified if it's before or after the war that legion stops returning the calls, it's either after the Quarians starts attacking or after they noticed the Quarian fleet buildup right outside their territory. Which is a very hostile and thratening action.
The Quarian admiralty even held a vote that decided against atempting peacetalks. That's not very agreeable. That was before Legion stopped returning calls. My guess is that the other Geth "imprisoned" Legion and "Shackled" him for being to chatty and friendly with the enemy that was moving in on them. Or at the very least they might have forbidden further exchanges with the enemy out of fear of giving away sensitive information to the attacking fleets geth expert.
In war casual and friendly communication with the enemy is always a sensitive topic.

If you listen to Tali's perticular dialogue, it's clear that was a bit after Shepard was take into custody. So it's way before the war.
Like I said, they didn't know Geth were open for peace maybe other than Tali and they did not have a communications channel to the Geth. They have cut all communications remember?
When do you suppose the highlighted part happened? If it's before the war, it shows Geth are not open for peace. If it was after the war, it couldn't happen. Geth were under Reaper control.
I conclude that you agree with the rest of what I said.

Shepard asked what was the last she heard from Legion, but she never specifies when that was, just that the Geth were havign problems reachign a consensus.
I'm guessing the trouble they had was that the Reapers told them that the Quarians were massing outside their territory preparing an attack on them.

[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

Why does the reaper code upset you? It's not changing them into reapers. It's also the only way they can save themselves from the Quarians. They are no longer controled by the Reapers the are no loger reaper pawns but that meens nothing to the Quarians, they just want to anihilate them no matter what.

You have no way without metagaming to tell me that code is trustworthy.

I don't trust the Reaper code, just as I don't trust the IFF.

[kalasaurus]

If I didn't have the peace option, I'd pick the Quarians. Every time.

I value organic life more than synthetic. And I wouldn't sentence Quarian civilians (like children) to death for a war they wanted nothing to do with. EDI's right- if forced to choose between saving her life and Joker's, my Shepards would pick Joker. *shrugs*

Beyond that, Legion's been lying to Shepard the whole time.

[shodiswe]

It's very clear the Quarians don't trust theGeth, they pretty much hate them and regards them as the devil with whom there can't ever be a peace. They are out on a holy mission to purge the galaxy of evil.

Even if the Geth don't want to admit it I don't think the Geth like the Quarians either. Most of their memories of Quarians are probably Quarians trying to shoot them, shut them down or forcefully reprogram them.

The Geth/quarian conflict is like the Israeli/palestina conflict of the mass effect universe. But in the end Shepard can solve the conflict... Making shepard even more Messiah like.

Legion tells Shepard he regrets nothing can be done about the Quarians, then Shepard talks down the Quarians... I think Shepards messiah complex just got worse at that point.

After that the Geth will be building Legion and Shepard shrines for all eternity.

Modifié par shodiswe, 07 avril 2013 - 04:09 .

[MegaSovereign]

GlassElephant wrote...

If I didn't have the peace option, I'd pick the Quarians. Every time.

I value organic life more than synthetic. And I wouldn't sentence Quarian civilians (like children) to death for a war they wanted nothing to do with. EDI's right- if forced to choose between saving her life and Joker's, my Shepards would pick Joker. *shrugs*

Beyond that, Legion's been lying to Shepard the whole time.

At least you're being honest.

Most people who value their own humanity would choose the biological race over the synthetic one. Not that the Geth dying isn't tragic. Peace is the ideal option and I think many people are inclined to agree.

[shodiswe]

GlassElephant wrote...

If I didn't have the peace option, I'd pick the Quarians. Every time.

I value organic life more than synthetic. And I wouldn't sentence Quarian civilians (like children) to death for a war they wanted nothing to do with. EDI's right- if forced to choose between saving her life and Joker's, my Shepards would pick Joker. *shrugs*

Beyond that, Legion's been lying to Shepard the whole time.

Not lying, just omittign to tell him about a few things, some of it personal. But none of it put Shepard life in jeopard.

How people value differnt types or life, species or races.. I won't get into that whiteman, blackman or native American debate even if that's what I think it boilsdown to. Suffice to say those are my opinions and I know other got their opinions on the matter. This thread has already been there done that so we know people have different values and ethics, opinions, nothing new really.

I belive the reason we got synthetic organic wars is due to those "opinions and values" they create conflict by marginalizing one side of the conflict and taking away their basic rights. There shoudln't be any need for that, the galaxy is big enough if they just work things out. There is no need for petty stupidity. It's unfortunately validating the Catalyst aswell   And I really don't like the catalyst.

Modifié par shodiswe, 07 avril 2013 - 04:17 .

[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

Not lying, just omittign to tell him about a few things, some of it personal. But none of it put Shepard life in jeopard.

Lie of omission, look it up.

And yes, his actions could have gotten Shepard killed.

Modifié par Khelish, 07 avril 2013 - 04:14 .

[shodiswe]

Khelish wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Not lying, just omittign to tell him about a few things, some of it personal. But none of it put Shepard life in jeopard.

Lie of omission, look it up.

And yes, his actions could have gotten Shepard killed.

How? if you're talking about the reaper destroyer under that missilesilo blastdoor then I don't think Legion knew about that one.

[DeinonSlayer]

shodiswe wrote...

It's very clear the Quarians don't trust theGeth, they pretty much hate them and regards them as the devil with whom there can't ever be a peace. They are out on a holy mission to purge the galaxy of evil.

The Quarians have very good reason to hate the Geth. And yet, for three hundred years they didn't try to retake their homeworld, thanks largely to multigenerational guilt over what their ancestors did to the Geth. They only made their move when the alternative was extinction at the hands of the Reapers. That doesn't sound like a holy crusade to me.

And the way you word it... is purging the galaxy of evil a bad thing? They back down quickly enough when they're apprised of the situation.

Even if the Geth don't want to admit it I don't think the Geth like the Quarians either. Most of their memories of Quarians are probably Quarians trying to shoot them, shut them down or forcefully reprogram them.

The Consensus footage contradicts this, but things were left vague enough for everyone to reach their own conclusions.

One thing I find disturbing: Legion got an achievement in his gamer stats for "killing 100+ Quarians." I, personally, would think he got enough of that back in the Morning War, what with the whole 99%-dead-in-a-year thing, but he evidently still does it for fun from time to time.

Not what you'd expect from one who feels guilt for their actions.

I didn't find the "Legion-picks-up-his-rifle" footage in the consensus as endearing as I think we were supposed to.

The Geth/quarian conflict is like the Israeli/palestina conflict of the mass effect universe. But in the end Shepard can solve the conflict... Making shepard even more Messiah like.

Legion tells Shepard he regrets nothing can be done about the Quarians, then Shepard talks down the Quarians... I think Shepards messiah complex just got worse at that point.

After that the Geth will be building Legion and Shepard shrines for all eternity.

Yeah, the whole messiah thing was pretty obnoxious...

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 07 avril 2013 - 04:33 .