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*THE GREAT DEBATE* - NO PEACE obtainable between the Geth & Quarians: Who would you choose and Why? (Pic of BioWare Stats Inside)


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Phatose wrote...

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It's still beyond stupid of the Geth to build it in the Quarian home system.

... Especially when they knew the Quarians would return in time.

It's like asking for the war in ME3.


Last I checked, it was also the Geth's home system.

And uh...you mean like how it was stupid for everyone to build in the Reaper's home Galaxy, especially when they knew the Reapers would return in time for the war in ME3?

Exactly. Plus, it would be hard for them to move resources from Rannoch, through a relay. They could just build the megastructure and move that later. That is logical. Though I haven't come to expect a lot of logical in this argument, to be honest. It's been a bit of a farce on the quarian-supporters side, because logic is so ignored there.

I mean, it's like saying... if you want to build a mobile home, you should take your factories and your tools slowly halfway around the world and then build it. Rather than building it and then driving the mobile home where you want it to go. Logic. Really.

I just have little to no respect any more.

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Oh do shut up Wolfie.

Let the pleasant pro-Geth people and the pleasant pro-Quarian people tear each other apart in peace.

I'm sure there are people who pick Destroy that you haven't called sociopaths today, might want to get caught up.

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shodiswe wrote...

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his reverse enginering of the reaper code was sucessful. Just like the turians reverseengineering Thanix cannons.

*sigh*

How many times...

Reaper code =/= Thanix Cannons, Mass Relays, Citadel... etc...

Reaper code that Legion uses is not in all Reaper tech.


Why does the reaper code upset you? It's not changing them into reapers. It's also the only way they can save themselves from the Quarians. They are no longer controled by the Reapers the are no loger reaper pawns but that meens nothing to the Quarians, they just want to anihilate them no matter what.

Because the Reapers designed that code to be used by no one but themselves. And almost every time anyone has used Reaper tech taken from the Reapers, it's bitten them in the ass. Saren. His brother Desolas. The Illusive Man. Amanda Kenson. Those miners in the "N7: Abandoned Mine" mission in ME2.
The Mass Relays were passive, and spicifically designed to be used by organics, to speed up the development of a cycle so the Reapers could keep their 50,000 years per-cycle qouta. The Reaper tech in the Relays and Citadel is passive - MENT to be used by organics. A thanix - a replica of a Reaper gun, doesn't have any of the indoctrinating trace materials of a Reaper gun directly taken from a Reaper corpse.
Also, telling the quarians to stand down worked pretty well on it's own. There really WAS NO NEED to upload the code, since the quarians would have stood down anyway. It was a shortcut that Legion took. And AGAIn, the quarians do NOT want to simply ahniliate the geth with no reason. They think the geth are hostile, and that letting them go will allow them to regroup, rebuild, and come back. And sicne the geth never showed a major inclination to peace before, no one knows negotiation would work. It's simple lack of information. One's perspective can change vastly based on the information they have. When Gerrel herd Shepard speak, he realized the geth would be willing to negotiate after all, and stood down in his attack.

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Phatose wrote...

Last I checked, it was also the Geth's home system.

And uh...you mean like how it was stupid for everyone to build in the Reaper's home Galaxy, especially when they knew the Reapers would return in time for the war in ME3?

But the Geth don't actually need Rannoch as much as the Quarians do they? The Geth don't even live on the planet itself, let alone mine from it (they do that from asteroids remember).
Wouldn't it be more practical to find an uninhibited system to build their Dyson Sphere, instead of one which they almost certainly know the Quarians will want back?

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Silly Silver, we all know the Quarians were evil space Aryans out to destroy the adorable innocent Geth!

Hasn't Wolfie indoctrinated enlightened you yet?

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1. You mean too scared to wait and die? Because that's what the Reapers would have done to them.
You hate the quarians for not waiting to die, yet applaude the geth for not waiting to die?:blush:

2. ME1. Secondary Codex: Non-Council Races: Quarians: Religion.
The geth attacked the quarian's ancestor archives, even though they were completely unassocaited with any form of self-defense.

3. What, do you think all the geth left from Rael's experiments were just disposed of? No, it's MUCH worse.
Xen commendered the Alerei after Shepard cleaered it out. She continued Rael's work behind closed doors, and used the infomation recovered to avoid his "mistakes." The experiments you saw in the Alerei? Likely NOTHING compared to what Xen must have done after taking the ship for herself.
Also, the logs left behind say that Rael networked them to sapiance diliberatly. Since there were at least 30 geth units, and each unit has about 100 programs, witha a prime having about a thousand, there were over 33,000 geth prorgams on the Alerei - more then enough for sapiance. Rael's experiments were on living, thinking, sapiant geth, used as brutally mutilated test subjects. What Rael was doing was nothing short of lobitimizing a living, fully concious person, then autopsing the still-living and convulsing body. In front of all the other geth on the ship. Xen, worse so. And poor Gerrel never even knew what Rael was doing, and was likely in the dark on Xen's share of the work as well.
At least I can understand why the geth on the Alerei would be so cruel to the quarians they encountered, given how Rael treated them.
Wrong. Hackett says that they had to fight through them to get to Earth. The point remains: The Reapers have to "relay swicth" like us. No exceptions.


1.  Koris and Tali disagreed with the war so where is the proof an attack from the Reapers was eminent.  The game tells me the Geth would 100% be wiped from existence if not for the Reapers.  The do not tell me this for the Quarians because there was disagreement with going to war and Tali flat out says Koris was right in opposing the war.  The game made Tali say that, not me.

2.  Does the codex tell us why they destroyed it.  If not, you are just speculating.  The Geth are efficient machines.  If the structure served no purpose from a miliatary standpoint then it doesn't need to be there.  There is nothing malicious in that.  I am sure the Quarians had playgrounds too.

3.  Silver, experimenting on disabled Geth is vastly different than using a weapon on a FLEET of Geth.  And again speculation.  The Reapers have no been back in 50,000 years.  They could just be exiting a relay because they want to see what's there.  Hackett does not say they have to do it just that they did.

1. The Reaper invasion. Wacthing the humans and turians get their asses handed to them. Also, the batarians were getting thrashed at least a week or two before ME3, so that was also a scare. Also, based on the diolouge in ME2, it seems the quarians were more accepting of the Reapers existance. In fact, in Mass Effect: Ascention, an unspicified member of the Admiralty Board was suggetsing capturing a Reaper, and brainwshing it to be their slave, then send it to enslave the geth, wither willingly by presenting them with a fake "God" to worship, or reprogram them through the Reaper.
I'd bet $100 the Admiral that suggested this was Xen. Fortunetly, the movement was shot down. Regardless, it shows that the quarians, at the very least, were treating the Reapers' existance as possible since the end of ME1.
Also, in case you missed this, if the war fails, ALL RACES are harvested. That's not negotible. And to have a chance of fighting that fate, the quarians need a world to secure their future on. After all, having a world has been key for near-every race in the Reaper War.
Also, Tali says that because she alone kenw Legion was sincere in his belief on negotiation. No one else besides Koris believed it would work, or in Xen's case, that it was even an option.

2. WHY would they target something that was basically out of the way? And the Codex spicifically lists them as destroying it after they drove the quarians off Rannoch. AFTER they forced the quarians off. So if there were no quarians left, WHY did they need to destory those archives?

3. Those geth WEREN'T disabled. The entire point of the Alerei mission was showing that the geth Rael worked on were "born" by powering them up and creating new processes. It's escentally "birthing" the first new geth by quarian hands since the Morning War. "Birthing" them, and then making silver-white ribbions with their innerds and scrambled gray eggs with their brains. Xen likely tested on larger and larger "newborn" geth as time went on, until she was confident enough to test on independant geth.
Also, the fact that the Reapers had to, and I qoute, "fight through the asari to take Thessia" or "push to take it," is more proof, because the main priority should be taking each species' homeworld, then focusing on the colonies. But because the Relays are all unsealed, they can't close them off ans segregate the races anymore, so they have to slog through every system in their path. That's half the Reason the galaxy was doing as well as it was against the Reapers.
Just face it: This interconnected Relay idea is not true. You have to jump, exit, then make the next jump.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 07 avril 2013 - 11:19 .


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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Silly Silver, we all know the Quarians were evil space Aryans out to destroy the adorable innocent Geth!

Hasn't Wolfie indoctrinated enlightened you yet?

Not really.
In all the things I have argued with him, there is only ONE point I ever agreed with him on in this debate: that the geth were living beings. That's about all we agree on in this debate.

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Phatose wrote...

Last I checked, it was also the Geth's home system.


Coincidentally, yes. They hold no special love for it. The only reason they remain on Rannoch or close to it at all is to clean it up for the quarians. 

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silverexile17s wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Silly Silver, we all know the Quarians were evil space Aryans out to destroy the adorable innocent Geth!

Hasn't Wolfie indoctrinated enlightened you yet?

Not really.
In all the things I have argued with him, there is only ONE point I ever agreed with him on in this debate: that the geth were living beings. That's about all we agree on in this debate.


In time you will come to understand Wolfie's greatness. He is your salvation through annoyance.

You cannot resist.

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Eckswhyzed wrote...

@SAK

Dyson spheres are not solid shells, they're networks of satellites. Hence the impact on Rannoch would be minimal.

Actually, there are FOUR distinct types of dyson sphere.
The first is a Dyson Ring, which is a simple gaint ring that encircles the equator of the target star. Think a Halo Ring around a star. Like this.
Image IPB
The second is a Dyson Bubble, which is a giant spiderweb of thin "strands" of solar collectors "woven" around the target star. Basically a giant metal sphere-shaped "web" surrounding the star.Image IPB

The third is a Dyson Swarm, which is a massive conglomeration of sollar collection sattliates, densly clustered around the target star, collecting and transmitting energy through wireless energy transferrence. THIS is the type of Dyson Sphere the geth were trying to build.Image IPB

The fourth and last is a Dyson Shell, which is a giant hollow sphere that encircles the star from all directions, like a giant egg-shell. Down below is a diagram.
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All share the common feature of drawing the total output of a star, with only one exception - the only sphere that leaves energized sunlight to escape is the Dyson Ring. A Dyson Bubble or Dyson Swarm absorb all the energy, leaving the light hitting the planets deprived of solar energy. It's about as solar energy-enriched as a 2-watt flashlight bulb. The Dyson Shell doesn't even give away the light, dooming all worlds around it into eternal darkness. Unless one built around a world and kept it in with the star in question as well.
So, yes, the geth's Dyson Swarm would have absorbed all the energy from the Tikkun star. There would be light, but that's just illumination. There would be no solar energy carried in that light. Like expunging all the calcium from a glass of milk - you still have something in the glass, but all the nutriants are gone from it. The loss of solar energy from the Dyson Swarm's completeion would have killed all the plant life. Also, solar energy is what gives sunlight it's "heat" - it's the reason sunlight makes you feel hot if you stand in it too long. Take away the energy, and there is no heat getting to the world - temperatures would drop. So not only would it devestate the planet's ecology, but it would plunge the once-arid world into an ice age.

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silverexile17s wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Khelish wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

his reverse enginering of the reaper code was sucessful. Just like the turians reverseengineering Thanix cannons.

*sigh*

How many times...

Reaper code =/= Thanix Cannons, Mass Relays, Citadel... etc...

Reaper code that Legion uses is not in all Reaper tech.


Why does the reaper code upset you? It's not changing them into reapers. It's also the only way they can save themselves from the Quarians. They are no longer controled by the Reapers the are no loger reaper pawns but that meens nothing to the Quarians, they just want to anihilate them no matter what.

Because the Reapers designed that code to be used by no one but themselves. And almost every time anyone has used Reaper tech taken from the Reapers, it's bitten them in the ass. Saren. His brother Desolas. The Illusive Man. Amanda Kenson. Those miners in the "N7: Abandoned Mine" mission in ME2.
The Mass Relays were passive, and spicifically designed to be used by organics, to speed up the development of a cycle so the Reapers could keep their 50,000 years per-cycle qouta. The Reaper tech in the Relays and Citadel is passive - MENT to be used by organics. A thanix - a replica of a Reaper gun, doesn't have any of the indoctrinating trace materials of a Reaper gun directly taken from a Reaper corpse.
Also, telling the quarians to stand down worked pretty well on it's own. There really WAS NO NEED to upload the code, since the quarians would have stood down anyway. It was a shortcut that Legion took. And AGAIn, the quarians do NOT want to simply ahniliate the geth with no reason. They think the geth are hostile, and that letting them go will allow them to regroup, rebuild, and come back. And sicne the geth never showed a major inclination to peace before, no one knows negotiation would work. It's simple lack of information. One's perspective can change vastly based on the information they have. When Gerrel herd Shepard speak, he realized the geth would be willing to negotiate after all, and stood down in his attack.


wow, this seems like an argument for synthesis? interesting..

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1. The Reaper invasion. Wacthing the humans and turians get their asses handed to them. Also, the batarians were getting thrashed at least a week or two before ME3, so that was also a scare. Also, based on the diolouge in ME2, it seems the quarians were more accepting of the Reapers existance. In fact, in Mass Effect: Ascention, an unspicified member of the Admiralty Board was suggetsing capturing a Reaper, and brainwshing it to be their slave, then send it to enslave the geth, wither willingly by presenting them with a fake "God" to worship, or reprogram them through the Reaper.
I'd bet $100 the Admiral that suggested this was Xen. Fortunetly, the movement was shot down. Regardless, it shows that the quarians, at the very least, were treating the Reapers' existance as possible since the end of ME1.
Also, in case you missed this, if the war fails, ALL RACES are harvested. That's not negotible. And to have a chance of fighting that fate, the quarians need a world to secure their future on. After all, having a world has been key for near-every race in the Reaper War.
Also, Tali says that because she alone kenw Legion was sincere in his belief on negotiation. No one else besides Koris believed it would work, or in Xen's case, that it was even an option.

2. WHY would they target something that was basically out of the way? And the Codex spicifically lists them as destroying it after they drove the quarians off Rannoch. AFTER they forced the quarians off. So if there were no quarians left, WHY did they need to destory those archives?

3. Those geth WEREN'T disabled. The entire point of the Alerei mission was showing that the geth Rael worked on were "born" by powering them up and creating new processes. It's escentally "birthing" the first new geth by quarian hands since the Morning War. "Birthing" them, and then making silver-white ribbions with their innerds and scrambled gray eggs with their brains. Xen likely tested on larger and larger "newborn" geth as time went on, until she was confident enough to test on independant geth.
Also, the fact that the Reapers had to, and I qoute, "fight through the asari to take Thessia" or "push to take it," is more proof, because the main priority should be taking each species' homeworld, then focusing on the colonies. But because the Relays are all unsealed, they can't close them off ans segregate the races anymore, so they have to slog through every system in their path. That's half the Reason the galaxy was doing as well as it was against the Reapers.
Just face it: This interconnected Relay idea is not true. You have to jump, exit, then make the next jump.


1.   Koris and Tali would not have disagreed with the war if the Reapers were coming tomorrow.  Tali and EDI would not have a discussion about how the Reapers don't seem to care about the Quarians if the threat was eminent.  The Quarians have a penchant for jumping the gun.  There is nothing in the game that suggests they could not have waited.  Nothing.  The Reapers were not concerend about them.  They could have tried for peace.

2.  Because they served no purpose Silver.  They are machines.  They are likely using Rannoch as a base.  Stuff like playgrounds, archives, restaurtants, etc. serve no purpose to them.

3.  A war involves fighting thousands if not millions of Geth.  Xen did not test her weapon on thousands or millions of Geth.  The only way to see if it works against thousands or millions of Geth is in war.  The Reapers have an interest in stoping at each relay to investigate the system.  They haven't been around for 50,000 years Silver.  They don't know exactly what they will find.  

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I thought the Geth hung out beyond the Perseus Veil , why would a Dyson spherical world/environment bother Quarians/anyone else in the MEU? I didn't find anything on them building their new home nearby? I think Legion spoke of it to Shepard, said they have no interest in the MEU, basically want to be left alone. Legion only sought out Shepard because of reputation, and apparent death, seemed to interest Legion. Well, that and peace with organics, all of them. The heretics' were still pondering the old machines, etc.

Note: Interesting, albeit off topic, link on indoctro-globes the levi use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whispered

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The Geth keep Rannoch for two reasons

1. It is familiar. They know what is in the PV and they know after kicking out the Quarians there are no organics to worry about. Do people really expect them to go exploring in Council Space and risk getting shot down just to accomodate the people that tried to exterminate them?

2. The Quarians are less of a threat without Rannoch. With Rannoch, they can rebuild their population and do what they always do when they think they have the strength to fight the Geth. Attack. It is absurd for them to just give Rannoch back when they have no assurances from the Quarians that they will not simply attack them again once they feel ready to.

As for the Reaper Code, the only options for peace involve Shepard telling the Quarians about the Reaper Code. Without it, the Quarians can defeat the Geth and they have already proven 100% of the time that when they think they can win, they attack. It is illogical for the Geth not to upload the RC because there is no scenario in the game where the Quarians stand down when the Geth do not possess it. Shepard's entire speech whether he is a paragon or renegade rests on the fact the Geth have Reaper Code. People basically want the Geth to gamble their entire existence on Shep being able to convince Gherel to stand down when Gherel knows he can win.

So don't let the Shep speech fool you.  The only important part of the speech for Gherel was THE GETH HAVE REAPER CODE.  That let's Gherel know he can't win and that is why he stands down.  Everything else said by Shep is just flowery words.  So the Geth's survival depends on the upload. 

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remydat wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. The Reaper invasion. Wacthing the humans and turians get their asses handed to them. Also, the batarians were getting thrashed at least a week or two before ME3, so that was also a scare. Also, based on the diolouge in ME2, it seems the quarians were more accepting of the Reapers existance. In fact, in Mass Effect: Ascention, an unspicified member of the Admiralty Board was suggetsing capturing a Reaper, and brainwshing it to be their slave, then send it to enslave the geth, wither willingly by presenting them with a fake "God" to worship, or reprogram them through the Reaper.
I'd bet $100 the Admiral that suggested this was Xen. Fortunetly, the movement was shot down. Regardless, it shows that the quarians, at the very least, were treating the Reapers' existance as possible since the end of ME1.
Also, in case you missed this, if the war fails, ALL RACES are harvested. That's not negotible. And to have a chance of fighting that fate, the quarians need a world to secure their future on. After all, having a world has been key for near-every race in the Reaper War.
Also, Tali says that because she alone kenw Legion was sincere in his belief on negotiation. No one else besides Koris believed it would work, or in Xen's case, that it was even an option.

2. WHY would they target something that was basically out of the way? And the Codex spicifically lists them as destroying it after they drove the quarians off Rannoch. AFTER they forced the quarians off. So if there were no quarians left, WHY did they need to destory those archives?

3. Those geth WEREN'T disabled. The entire point of the Alerei mission was showing that the geth Rael worked on were "born" by powering them up and creating new processes. It's escentally "birthing" the first new geth by quarian hands since the Morning War. "Birthing" them, and then making silver-white ribbions with their innerds and scrambled gray eggs with their brains. Xen likely tested on larger and larger "newborn" geth as time went on, until she was confident enough to test on independant geth.
Also, the fact that the Reapers had to, and I qoute, "fight through the asari to take Thessia" or "push to take it," is more proof, because the main priority should be taking each species' homeworld, then focusing on the colonies. But because the Relays are all unsealed, they can't close them off ans segregate the races anymore, so they have to slog through every system in their path. That's half the Reason the galaxy was doing as well as it was against the Reapers.
Just face it: This interconnected Relay idea is not true. You have to jump, exit, then make the next jump.


1.   Koris and Tali would not have disagreed with the war if the Reapers were coming tomorrow.  Tali and EDI would not have a discussion about how the Reapers don't seem to care about the Quarians if the threat was eminent.  The Quarians have a penchant for jumping the gun.  There is nothing in the game that suggests they could not have waited.  Nothing.  The Reapers were not concerend about them.  They could have tried for peace.

2.  Because they served no purpose Silver.  They are machines.  They are likely using Rannoch as a base.  Stuff like playgrounds, archives, restaurtants, etc. serve no purpose to them.

3.  A war involves fighting thousands if not millions of Geth.  Xen did not test her weapon on thousands or millions of Geth.  The only way to see if it works against thousands or millions of Geth is in war.  The Reapers have an interest in stoping at each relay to investigate the system.  They haven't been around for 50,000 years Silver.  They don't know exactly what they will find.  


I dunno, they have scads of indoctrinated informants, even the original shadow broker was their pet..He didn't know it either.. Just like Leviathan has those everywhere, they even admit to it to Shepard.

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Wayning_Star wrote...

I dunno, they have scads of indoctrinated informants, even the original shadow broker was their pet..He didn't know it either.. Just like Leviathan has those everywhere, they even admit to it to Shepard.

Galactic politics is hard work...Image IPB


That doesn't mean they know every single nook and cranny in the Galaxy.  These guys did miss the fact that the Crucible has been passed down through the cycles so their network of intelligence is not infallible.  I mean how do you miss a weapon that big being planned, lol.

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So, yes, the geth's Dyson Swarm would have absorbed all the energy from the Tikkun star. There would be light, but that's just illumination. There would be no solar energy carried in that light. Like expunging all the calcium from a glass of milk - you still have something in the glass, but all the nutriants are gone from it. The loss of solar energy from the Dyson Swarm's completeion would have killed all the plant life. Also, solar energy is what gives sunlight it's "heat" - it's the reason sunlight makes you feel hot if you stand in it too long. Take away the energy, and there is no heat getting to the world - temperatures would drop. So not only would it devestate the planet's ecology, but it would plunge the once-arid world into an ice age.


There is no such thing as de-energized light.  Light isn't something that carries energy, light *is* energy.  If light is reaching the planet, then not all of the solar energy is being captured.

Not that it's really a big deal to let some of that energy escape, especially considering how much lost energy that actually entails.  Earth for example, is powered nearly in it's entirety by the sun.  The actual percentage of the suns output that reaches earth?  .000000045%

Rannoch is closer to Tikkun then earth is to Sol, but we're still talking billionths of a percent. 

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The Geth keep Rannoch for two reasons

1. It is familiar. They know what is in the PV and they know after kicking out the Quarians there are no organics to worry about. Do people really expect them to go exploring in Council Space and risk getting shot down just to accomodate the people that tried to exterminate them?

2. The Quarians are less of a threat without Rannoch. With Rannoch, they can rebuild their population and do what they always do when they think they have the strength to fight the Geth. Attack. It is absurd for them to just give Rannoch back when they have no assurances from the Quarians that they will not simply attack them again once they feel ready to.

3. As for the Reaper Code, the only options for peace involve Shepard telling the Quarians about the Reaper Code. Without it, the Quarians can defeat the Geth and they have already proven 100% of the time that when they think they can win, they attack. It is illogical for the Geth not to upload the RC because there is no scenario in the game where the Quarians stand down when the Geth do not possess it. Shepard's entire speech whether he is a paragon or renegade rests on the fact the Geth have Reaper Code. People basically want the Geth to gamble their entire existence on Shep being able to convince Gherel to stand down when Gherel knows he can win.


Legion stated that they only kept Rannoch in case the Quarian's  ended hostilities. The actual Geth live outside the system beyond the veil. Destroy all Geth in the MEU, they just build more platforms. Gave Legion ulcers just computing the problematics. Legion knew it/he had to figure out a way to alter the heretics so they'd understand that the old machines were superior, technologically. They were quasi-organic. Like Shepard only different... Probably why Legion 'joined' with the consensus, share the wealth( of information). Communication has it perks.

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You know, as cool looking and as alien as the Geth are, they don't seem to be all that reasonable or very friendly. That Dyson Bubble for example. The type they were building, if it were going to put my world into a permanent ice age, it would be toast.

And what gave Shepard the idea that the reaper code was going to be safe? EDI got hacked when it interfaced with the Collector ship. The Reaper IFF was REAPER SOFTWARE, hence REAPER CODE, and look what happened to the Normandy. And Shepard is willing to "trust Legion" a lesser powered VI to make a better decision than EDI? I'm left scratching my head about Shepard's IQ. No, I'm left scratching my head about .... never mind, I'll get in trouble with the moderators.

The more I read this thread, the more I realize my instincts were right in my first play of ME3. Rael and Xen were right. Fry the toasters. They are trouble waiting to happen.

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake

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Nah peace is still the best option.

Two fleets instead of one.

Besides destroy nicely ties up any Geth related loose ends.

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remydat wrote...

The Geth keep Rannoch for two reasons
 


I don't find any evidence for your reasons in-game, and they would make sense as implied reasons if not for the fact that Legion explicitly tells us why they stay on/near Rannoch, which is the reason I stated.

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Eckswhyzed

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You know, as cool looking and as alien as the Geth are, they don't seem to be all that reasonable or very friendly. That Dyson Bubble for example. The type they were building, if it were going to put my world into a permanent ice age, it would be toast.


A full dyson bubble is extremely impractical. It's also stated in-game that the geth are building a network of satellites, not a full shell.

http://masseffect.wi...th_Debris_Field

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Phatose

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Shepard probably got the idea the Reaper code was safe when he went inside the Geth consensus, saw that "Reaper code" was basically bright orange blocks, and shot it, thus managing to free an entire server off Geth from Reaper control in a half hour.

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Phatose wrote...

Shepard probably got the idea the Reaper code was safe when he went inside the Geth consensus, saw that "Reaper code" was basically bright orange blocks, and shot it, thus managing to free an entire server off Geth from Reaper control in a half hour.


Well, Shep does have a little "reaper code"  of his/her own..Cerberus implants' n all..Image IPB

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sH0tgUn jUliA

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Phatose wrote...

Shepard probably got the idea the Reaper code was safe when he went inside the Geth consensus, saw that "Reaper code" was basically bright orange blocks, and shot it, thus managing to free an entire server off Geth from Reaper control in a half hour.


Oh boy. See problem. Go inside of geth. See big orange blocks. Shoot with gun. Safe now. Arrrr.<_<

Why couldn't we do that on the Citadel? Oh... too many orange blocks.