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[silverexile17s]

Wayning_Star wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Completely wrong. The Consensis is completely based within the megastructure. While it isn't complete to the point where all geth can live on it, it acts as the communciation HQ where all geth commune to form their consensis. Or did you think it was concidental that their inabilaty to form consensis suddenly vanished when it was attcked, because they're panicked state is based on losing their abilaty to commune.
Also, IDK if you notice, but Tikkun IS the Perseus Veil - the primary system in the Veil.

What ever, you're impression of codex is different from mine. My take on it is that Tikkun is closest to the veil, that's why the Geth hid out there. The veil is vast and there are countless Geth there and even more programs. The megastructure contains many, but even if destroyed out right wouldn't destroy the consensus, merely hamper it.

Tikkun is NOT the Perseus Veil, nor any primary system of it, it doesn't have one. Just a kind of waist land. The Alliance and Council know little to nothing about it, as sensors cannot pierce it to see the Geth or where, how many and anything about them.

From what I can tell with the codex/wiki stuff is that many are confused about it. Even those writing the history of the Geth/Quarian war, how long the Geth were around. One site say's 300, the other has the dates as if the Geth were around for over 700 yrs. No where, does it state that the old Quarian home world,now a Geth base of operations is the 'consensus', only a main hub close enough for Geth to slip in and out of the Veil quickly. But even that is fuzzy, lore wise. Head canon is required, apparently

Best bet, imho, is save both the Geth and their creator Quarians, from each other.

Tikkun is inside the Perseus Veil. The Galaxy Map lists it as inside the Perseus Veil. The geth and quarians all say that Rannoch in inside the Perseus Veil. HOW else is there to interpet it?
And again, you think the fact that they threw thinking on the proposition in favor of life was a concidence? The geth communed through the Megastrcture. It was the hub of consensis. When it was attacked, the consensis was shattered, The geth were mostly isolated from each-other, and their collective intelligance dropped because they couldn't network anymore.

It's the system where the Primary Mass Relay is located. That makes it the prime system of the Veil. Just like Earth is the prime sytstem of the Local Cluster. And Palaven is the prime system of the Apian Crest. Or Sur'Kesh in the prime system of the Annos Baisn. Thessia in the prime system of the Athena Nebula. And so-forth. The "Prime System" is the system where the Primary Relay, as well as secondary relays, are located.

Um..... the Codex, and every other source spicifically say nearly "300 years" ago. 290 to be perfectly exact. Also, the megstructure is built with the intent of all geth uploading and communing through it. Right now they all can commune through it, but can't all upload to it. Uploading to it was the reason they wanted it to be a dyson sphere, and not just another comm hub.
Just WHAT the hell are you talking about with "inaccurate" ? Because thus far, EVERY game as diffinitively stated 300 years ago was the Morning War's date.

[remydat]

Can someone point out why the Geth VI should not fire on the Quarians in this video who continue to try and kill them?  Can you also explain why firing at someone with the intent to kill is not threatening them?



Couple of interesting things here. At 13:25, that a**hole Legion saves Tali from a ship that her bestest friend Gherel is bombing against their orders. At 16:04, see how Raan thinks the Geth do not possess the Reaper programing any longer. Note how the alleged Reaper controlled Legion informs Raan of her mistake. Look how Tali still insists on referring to Legion as "IT" after he just saved her life. Look how panicked Raan is once Legion tells her about the Reaper signal on Rannoch and how she tells Xen to move her a** to warn Gherel.

I mean these Geth are really a**holes. How dare they put their hands on Tali to save her? How dare the Reaper controlled scoundrel Legion inform the Quarians the Geth still have Reaper Code? How dare he help them throughout the entire mission to disable the Reaper signal instead of simply hide this information and go and upload the Reaper Code himself while he is running around Rannoch ALL BY HIMSELF for the entire mission? Clearly the Reaper Code is controlling him, lol.

Modifié par remydat, 09 avril 2013 - 12:00 .

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

And if that was true, they wouldn't be trying to blanket all of Rannoch in solar collector sattlites. Which would be on all 365 degrees of the star's radius. The entire reason for building a dyson sphere is to have non-stop absorbtion of the star's output 24/7. Geth efficancy and self-improvement is they're prime concern, not the ecology of Rannoch. Losing the ecology isn't going to make the world itself go away. As long as they have their memorial, the geth couldn't care less about the flora and fauna of Rannoch.

You missed the point.  Stars and planets orbit and rotate.  The side of the Star that shines on a planet changes based on the orbit and rotation.  Hence if you want to trap solar energy from the side of the star not shining on a planet at any given time, you need to surround the star 360 degrees because that side changes with time.

For example, if Rannoch is currently orbiting and on the east side relative to the Star, then the satellites on the west side would be active.  When Rannoch then is on the west side relative to the Star then you shut off the west side and activate the east side.

Once again, Freeman Dyson envisioned an advanced civilization using a Dyson Sphere to serve it's energy needs.  It is illogical for such a civilization to do so by destroying their planet.  So the logical conclusion here is that while the Dyson Sphere surrounds the star 360 degrees, it does not mean all the satellites absorb all the energy all the time.  If you have the knowledge to build such a thing you have the knowledge to program the satellites to absorb energy only from the side not currently shining on your planet.  You can also conceivably factor in the orbits of all planets in the system to figure out where to take energy from without drastically disrupting energy for a given planet.

So the flaw in your logic is assuming the satellites have to be turned on ALL THE TIME.  They don't.  The reason you surround the entire star is because objects in space rotate and orbit so the side facing Tikkun changes.

Um.... you DO know the megastructure isn't in Rannoch's orbit, right? Nor is Rannoch inside the diamiter/raidus of the Megatsructure. It's built directly around the orbit of the star itself, and completely excludes Rannoch. It surrounds the STAR ITSELF, not Rannoch.  You are aware of that, right?

If you were basing your theroy on the notion that the megastructure was in Rannoch's orbit, then you are wrong right off the bat. Because the problems yoy outlined are only if the solar collectors were built on Rannoch' surface, or in orbit of Rannoch. Only ground-based solar collectors, satilites over Rannoch, have to worry about orbit and rotation affecting solar collection. But the entire POINT of a dyson sphere is to AVOID that spicific problem, bu building directly aroun the star. Rannoch isn't inside the radius of the Dyson Sphere. THAT'S why I kept saying that it wouldn;t get any solar energy - the Dyson Swarm of solar sattlites that would be surrounding Tikkun would absorbe it all faster then it could get through.  Hundreds, thousands at completion likely, all entrapping the star on all sides and angles with solar collectors, constantly taking energy. Solar pannels need to face the sun constantly. A dyson sphere is SPICIFICALLY CREATED to AVOID that problem by being built of-planet, and created directly around the sun's radius, so that EVERY ONE of the sattlites are always facing the sun to to get full absorbtion of the solar energy 24/7. That's the ENTIRE POINT of a dyson sphere: TO NEVER HAVE A SINGLE ONE STOP COLLECTING ENERGY BECAUSE OF A STAR'S ROTATION.

The geth did this so they could have the full power of the star. Your theroy invalidates the geth's entire construction, because you messed up and thought that Rannoch was inside the radius of the megastructre, or that it was inside Rannoch's orbit. That's wrong.

[Eckswhyzed]

@Silverexile

The proportion of the star's energy absorbed by the Dyson Swarm depends on the total surface area of the satellites. I fail to see how the mere existence of the satellites implies that enough of the star's energy is being absorbed to significantly impacy Rannoch's climate.

I also note that no-one other then remydat has noticed Rannoch's Codex entry detailing how the geth are working to preserve Rannoch's ecosystem...

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...



Can someone point out why the Geth VI should not fire on the Quarians in this video who continue to try and kill them?  Can you also explain why firing at someone with the intent to kill is not threatening them?



Couple of interesting things here. At 13:25, that a**hole Legion saves Tali from a ship that her bestest friend Gherel is bombing against their orders. At 16:04, see how Raan thinks the Geth do not possess the Reaper programing any longer. Note how the alleged Reaper controlled Legion informs Raan of her mistake. Look how Tali still insists on referring to Legion as "IT" after he just saved her life. Look how panicked Raan is once Legion tells her about the Reaper signal on Rannoch and how she tells Xen to move her a** to warn Gherel.

I mean these Geth are really a**holes. How dare they put their hands on Tali to save her? How dare the Reaper controlled scoundrel Legion inform the Quarians the Geth still have Reaper Code? How dare he help them throughout the entire mission to disable the Reaper signal instead of simply hide this information and go and upload the Reaper Code himself while he is running around Rannoch ALL BY HIMSELF for the entire mission? Clearly the Reaper Code is controlling him, lol.

Likewise, can you tell me why the quarians should logically stop either?  How THEY know that the geth don't intend harm. Not shooting at you is not the same as not intending to kill you. Look at Harbinger and the Normandy - he doesn't shoot Normandy down when you evac the squad. By your logic, not shooting means Harbinger must want a hug.
How exactally were the quarians to know the geth were supposed to know this?

AGAIN, you are talking like risking an entire species for three people is a logical decision. "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few," to quote a fan-favorate alien from Star Trek, the ever-beloved Spock.
In this case, the welfare of 17 million people - an entire race - outweighs the welfare of three people that take high-risk missions like this daily.
And for God's sake, stop being so childish with your dislike of Gerrel by mispelling the name. It gets old fast, and I don't see how petty insults to a fcitional character makes any difference here.
And because the geth DO still possess Reaper programning, retreating would have led them into the still-fully upgrades geth blockade around the Relay, and they would have been slaughtered. So Gerrel STILL made the right choice there too.
Also, I don't remember Legion telling you this sooner when he had the chance to. He had to wait until Raan directly asked him about the Reaper signal before he told you the Reapers had a base on Rannoch? Woulda liked to know that alot sonner, like, say, when I asked how the signal worked? Or maybe he could have corrected my when I myself first asked him if getting him out of the dreadnought would diffinitively shot down the signal, even though that WASN'T the case? Maybe he could have said something then?
Also, Tali is doing that to save face. She doens't need any more grief from the sociopathic Admiral Xen, now that Koris isn't presant to help her push back against her (remember, Koris crashed on Rannoch during this).
Also, if Gerrel isn't aprised, the geth could counter, surprise them with the fact that they still have upgrades, and devestate them. Just like they do in the final battle if you side with the geth. See, Gerrel was warned about the upgrades still being in effect, and was more cautious as a result. If he doesn't get acctuate information, 17 million people would- no, WILL die. It's important for leaders to constantly know what's what. Otherwise, they may pick the wrong choice, and never even know what went wrong because they didn't have that critical piece of info.

You have again demonstrated complete lack of understanding and comprehension. LoL that you think this is bragging material.

[remydat]

Silver,

Once again Freeman Dyson ie the guy who came up with the theory envisioned a Sphere surrounding a star collecting energy and transmitting that energy aback to the advanced civilization's planet.  He did not envision people destroying the planet they live on.  

In a 3D world a sphere has 6 sides (Top, Bottom, Left, Right, Back and Front).  Only one side is every really directly facing a planet but it changes due to orbits.  So you can collect energy from the 5 sides not shining on the planet and simply turn off the satellites on the side that is facing the planet.  You create a Dyson Sphere to cover 6 sides because the orbit of the planet means the side facing the planet changes so you need a 360 degree Sphere so that you can activate and deactivate based on the orbit.

None of this requires the planet to be within the Sphere.

[Eckswhyzed]

@Silverexile

I think you're missing the point here. If Legion really is controlled by the Reaper Code, there are many more ways for him to be evil than save Tali's life, tell the Quarians about the Reaper on Rannoch etc.

[silverexile17s]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

@Silverexile

The proportion of the star's energy absorbed by the Dyson Swarm depends on the total surface area of the satellites. I fail to see how the mere existence of the satellites implies that enough of the star's energy is being absorbed to significantly impacy Rannoch's climate.

I also note that no-one other then remydat has noticed Rannoch's Codex entry detailing how the geth are working to preserve Rannoch's ecosystem...

The "Geth Debris Field" description spicifically lists the sattlites being arranged in the pattern of a dyson sphere. That means 365 degree coverage of all angles. There were listed as hundreds. Legion also implies that the megastructure isn't completed, nor will be for a while.
Also, the very principle of Dyson Spheres is to aborb the total output of the star. That's why the orginal concept of the Dyson Sphere was to include Earth inside the damater of the sphere with Sol - because all solar enegry would be trapped inside the sphere's radius.  A Dyson Swarm is easer to make then a solid shell, but it has the same effect - unless the world is inside the radius of the sphere with the star, it will not get any of the solar energy that it had before.
Also, again, preserving ground out of rememberance for the quarians is secondary to their ultimate goal: the Dyson Sphere. When it's done, they won't care about the ecosystem. They will still have their memorial grounds - the plants dying won't change that. If anything, that sphere is proof that the geth never intended to let the quarians, or anyone come to Rannoch.

[silverexile17s]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

@Silverexile

I think you're missing the point here. If Legion really is controlled by the Reaper Code, there are many more ways for him to be evil than save Tali's life, tell the Quarians about the Reaper on Rannoch etc.

I NEVER said he was Reaper controlled. I said that no one ELSE has any reason to trust him.
I trust him, but I actually UNDERSTAND why others wouldn't. And using Reaper code is not the best of ideas, given what's happened most of the time with that tech. The point is what's TO STOP him from falling if he gets in to deep?

[remydat]

Silver,

The issue has nothing to do with trusting Legion. It has to do with trusting Tali and Shep. Gherrel knows Tali and Shep were on a mission to stop the signal. He knows the intel came from Legion. They do so and then Tali asks you to stand down. Any idiot knows they must be aware of something. He could ask why or is that too sensible for him to do?

The story is such that with the power to completely obliterate the Quarians, the Geth for a second time choose not to. That is why peace is achieved. Gherel stands down because he knows the Quarians can't win and the Quarians are essentially completely at the Geth's mercy. The game is f**king over if Legion wants it to be once the code is uploaded. What does Legion and the Geth do? Instead of trying to kill them he accepts peace. There is not a scenario in the game where the Quarians do the same. If they think they can win (ie Gherrel is not told of the RC) then they try to kill them everything.

And you have to be joking. They were in the middle of a firefight and you expect Legion to just tell everything all at once? Legion makes his entrance on the Normandy and within literally 1 minute of doing so reveals the Reaper Signal on Rannoch all while having RC and so if this thing was controlling him it would make no sense for him to reveal anything.

[remydat]

silverexile17s wrote...

I NEVER said he was Reaper controlled. I said that no one ELSE has any reason to trust him.
I trust him, but I actually UNDERSTAND why others wouldn't. And using Reaper code is not the best of ideas, given what's happened most of the time with that tech. The point is what's TO STOP him from falling if he gets in to deep?

So Legion saving Tali and letting the Quarians know about the Reaper signal on Rannoch all while possessing RC is not reason to trust him?  Legion using that RC throughout the entire mission on Rannoch to break security and aid Shep in saving the Quarians is not reason to trust him?  Legion hiding/lying about his true intent during the Server mission with the end result that he delivers to the war efforts Geth Primes is not reason to trust him?

Every single thing Legion does including his lying about the Server Mission and his not revaling he had RC earlier ends up helping us.  I repeat EVERY SINGLE THING ends up helping us but no we should not trust him, lol.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

Silver,

Once again Freeman Dyson ie the guy who came up with the theory envisioned a Sphere surrounding a star collecting energy and transmitting that energy aback to the advanced civilization's planet.  He did not envision people destroying the planet they live on.  

In a 3D world a sphere has 6 sides (Top, Bottom, Left, Right, Back and Front).  Only one side is every really directly facing a planet but it changes due to orbits.  So you can collect energy from the 5 sides not shining on the planet and simply turn off the satellites on the side that is facing the planet.  You create a Dyson Sphere to cover 6 sides because the orbit of the planet means the side facing the planet changes so you need a 360 degree Sphere so that you can activate and deactivate based on the orbit.

None of this requires the planet to be within the Sphere.

But AGAIN, that "Geth Debris Field" is arround Tikkun and Tikkun alone. Rannoch is outside it;s radius. IDK if you actually studied that diagram, but if you did, you would notcie that the Earth is shown inside the sphere written up by Freeman, because if it was outside the sphere, it would NOT get any of the solar energy. The concept of the Dyson Swarm is the same as the Dyson Shell - complete coverage of all angles of the star, to absorbe energy 24/7.
Only the geth have optimised to do so without a planet inside the sphere, so that there will NEVER be any shadow cast on any of the sattlites, ensuring maximum absorbtion of solar energy, completely uninterupted. ONCE AGAIN, you anrtomorphize the geth as having the human requirement of caring about a world's climate to survive on, since the entire point of the sphere is TO live without a world in general. At the cost of said world's hbitability, that is. After all, climate doesn't matter at all to the geth. Nither does ecology. They don't need it.
So AGAIN, your entire point rings false, as Rannoch is outside the diamter of the sphere, and therefore, NOWHERE in the space between the sattlites and the star.
And the geth have no reason to do that, because that would me lower then the maximum yield. They intend for all the stars' power, as the ecology and climate of Rannoch is basically irrelivent after that point.
The geth don't care about climate for a world. Nor ecology. Thus far, it's been out of an obligation to the death they sheparded in the Morning War, but I doubt that will stay the case if their salvation was ever compleated.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

I NEVER said he was Reaper controlled. I said that no one ELSE has any reason to trust him.
I trust him, but I actually UNDERSTAND why others wouldn't. And using Reaper code is not the best of ideas, given what's happened most of the time with that tech. The point is what's TO STOP him from falling if he gets in to deep?

So Legion saving Tali and letting the Quarians know about the Reaper signal on Rannoch all while possessing RC is not reason to trust him?  Legion using that RC throughout the entire mission on Rannoch to break security and aid Shep in saving the Quarians is not reason to trust him?  Legion hiding/lying about his true intent during the Server mission with the end result that he delivers to the war efforts Geth Primes is not reason to trust him?

Every single thing Legion does including his lying about the Server Mission and his not revaling he had RC earlier ends up helping us.  I repeat EVERY SINGLE THING ends up helping us but no we should not trust him, lol.

ONLY WHEN DIRECTLY ASKED.  When Shepard asked if getting Legion out of the dreadnought would shut down the signal, I don't recall him telling me about that base. Also, the fact that, despite the Reaper signal supposedly being shut down, all the geth on the dreadnought were still hostile. You'd think that was a problem.
Also, the fact that he KEPT this from Shepard, as well as the fact that he used Shepard as a decoy to sneek geth out of the server, is also a problem. I NEVER remembered Tali lying about such things. As representitives of their races, you have to admit that Legion has lied to Shepard alot more then Tali ever did.
Also, lol, What? WHEN did Legion spicifically say those primes were for the war effort? He saved them for the sake of saving them.

Also, the fact that he desceves Shepard at all makes it hard for anyone to trust him. You have to understand the quarians being sceptical of Legion if he's willing to risk Shepard's life like that.
Look at it this way: By putting Shepard in danger without warrning to save his own people, Legion is no different then Gerrel. They both put Shepard at risk to save their own. Legion put Shepard at risk to save an entire "city" of geth, just as Gerrel did to save his entire race from the threat of the dreadnought.
AGAIN, you twist my words. I said I trust him, but that it's completely reasonable for no one else to.

[remydat]

Silver,

You are assuming that the satellites have to all be turned on.  There is nothing preventing you from simply turning off the satellites on whichever side of the Star is currently facing the planet.  Once again, there is nothing preventing you from simply turning off the satellites on whichever side of the Star is currently facing the planet.

That is kind of the point of a satellite.  You can turn them on and off as you see fit.

Modifié par remydat, 09 avril 2013 - 01:01 .

[remydat]

silverexile17s wrote...

ONLY WHEN DIRECTLY ASKED.  When Shepard asked if getting Legion out of the dreadnought would shut down the signal, I don't recall him telling me about that base. Also, the fact that, despite the Reaper signal supposedly being shut down, all the geth on the dreadnought were still hostile. You'd think that was a problem.
Also, the fact that he KEPT this from Shepard, as well as the fact that he used Shepard as a decoy to sneek geth out of the server, is also a problem. I NEVER remembered Tali lying about such things. As representitives of their races, you have to admit that Legion has lied to Shepard alot more then Tali ever did.
Also, lol, What? WHEN did Legion spicifically say those primes were for the war effort? He saved them for the sake of saving them.

Also, the fact that he desceves Shepard at all makes it hard for anyone to trust him. You have to understand the quarians being sceptical of Legion if he's willing to risk Shepard's life like that.
Look at it this way: By putting Shepard in danger without warrning to save his own people, Legion is no different then Gerrel. They both put Shepard at risk to save their own. Legion put Shepard at risk to save an entire "city" of geth, just as Gerrel did to save his entire race from the threat of the dreadnought.
AGAIN, you twist my words. I said I trust him, but that it's completely reasonable for no one else to.

The immediate mission was disabling the Dreadnaught.  It is absurd you want to act like it is a crime he waited until that mission was over and within one minute told them about the signal on Rannoch.

Further, Legion lied by ommission.  He neglected to tell Shep about certain things.  Tali knew her people were starting a war admist a Reaper Invasion.  Tali knew Shep would probably consider that relevant information.  Tali neglected to tell Shepard about this until their a** was getting handed to them.  Tali was perfectly willing to let her people carry out a secret war that violated Treaties the Quarians willingly signed and for which Shep later notes they did it because the Council was too busy dealing with the Reaper War to sanction them.

In short, Legion lied by ommission and those lies helped me and the Quarians.  I repeat they end result was they helped.  Tali neglected to tell me something just like Legion neglected to tell me something but ultimately it resulted in me having to waste f**king time bailing the Quarians out while the Galaxy is burning.  But of course, Tali is a cute fleshy organic so her neglecting to tell me about them starting a f**king war in the middle of a galactic apocalypse is fine.

Maybe I am pragamatic but I don't care if you don't tell me something but it helps me.  I care if you don't tell me something and it hurts me.

Modifié par remydat, 09 avril 2013 - 01:12 .

[Wayning_Star]

silverexile17s wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Completely wrong. The Consensis is completely based within the megastructure. While it isn't complete to the point where all geth can live on it, it acts as the communciation HQ where all geth commune to form their consensis. Or did you think it was concidental that their inabilaty to form consensis suddenly vanished when it was attcked, because they're panicked state is based on losing their abilaty to commune.
Also, IDK if you notice, but Tikkun IS the Perseus Veil - the primary system in the Veil.

What ever, you're impression of codex is different from mine. My take on it is that Tikkun is closest to the veil, that's why the Geth hid out there. The veil is vast and there are countless Geth there and even more programs. The megastructure contains many, but even if destroyed out right wouldn't destroy the consensus, merely hamper it.

Tikkun is NOT the Perseus Veil, nor any primary system of it, it doesn't have one. Just a kind of waist land. The Alliance and Council know little to nothing about it, as sensors cannot pierce it to see the Geth or where, how many and anything about them.

From what I can tell with the codex/wiki stuff is that many are confused about it. Even those writing the history of the Geth/Quarian war, how long the Geth were around. One site say's 300, the other has the dates as if the Geth were around for over 700 yrs. No where, does it state that the old Quarian home world,now a Geth base of operations is the 'consensus', only a main hub close enough for Geth to slip in and out of the Veil quickly. But even that is fuzzy, lore wise. Head canon is required, apparently

Best bet, imho, is save both the Geth and their creator Quarians, from each other.

Tikkun is inside the Perseus Veil. The Galaxy Map lists it as inside the Perseus Veil. The geth and quarians all say that Rannoch in inside the Perseus Veil. HOW else is there to interpet it?
And again, you think the fact that they threw thinking on the proposition in favor of life was a concidence? The geth communed through the Megastrcture. It was the hub of consensis. When it was attacked, the consensis was shattered, The geth were mostly isolated from each-other, and their collective intelligance dropped because they couldn't network anymore.

It's the system where the Primary Mass Relay is located. That makes it the prime system of the Veil. Just like Earth is the prime sytstem of the Local Cluster. And Palaven is the prime system of the Apian Crest. Or Sur'Kesh in the prime system of the Annos Baisn. Thessia in the prime system of the Athena Nebula. And so-forth. The "Prime System" is the system where the Primary Relay, as well as secondary relays, are located.

Um..... the Codex, and every other source spicifically say nearly "300 years" ago. 290 to be perfectly exact. Also, the megstructure is built with the intent of all geth uploading and communing through it. Right now they all can commune through it, but can't all upload to it. Uploading to it was the reason they wanted it to be a dyson sphere, and not just another comm hub.
Just WHAT the hell are you talking about with "inaccurate" ? Because thus far, EVERY game as diffinitively stated 300 years ago was the Morning War's date.

edit: deleted for errors on my part....

I've found that problem with the geth and Rannoch. The codex and my in game memories are in conflict.

The Geth hide out in the Perseus Veil, but their acquired home world has a relay in it.. makes sense.

Tikkun seems to be on the outer rim, what ever that is, according to the codex, confused me how the PV can not be scanned but now we know that the Quarians home world is there and it's now, and always has been the Geth hide out..with a relay in system. I never realized that, for some reason, it seemed really stupid to have a relay in your hiding place, to avoid others, namely organics from attacking you?

I have to wonder tho, how can there be a relay IN or PAST the PV if it cannot be scanned and isn't explored?

(reminder: be sure to save both Geth and Quarians, broker peace. Don't forget!!)

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 09 avril 2013 - 01:53 .

[Wayning_Star]

remydat wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

ONLY WHEN DIRECTLY ASKED.  When Shepard asked if getting Legion out of the dreadnought would shut down the signal, I don't recall him telling me about that base. Also, the fact that, despite the Reaper signal supposedly being shut down, all the geth on the dreadnought were still hostile. You'd think that was a problem.
Also, the fact that he KEPT this from Shepard, as well as the fact that he used Shepard as a decoy to sneek geth out of the server, is also a problem. I NEVER remembered Tali lying about such things. As representitives of their races, you have to admit that Legion has lied to Shepard alot more then Tali ever did.
Also, lol, What? WHEN did Legion spicifically say those primes were for the war effort? He saved them for the sake of saving them.

Also, the fact that he desceves Shepard at all makes it hard for anyone to trust him. You have to understand the quarians being sceptical of Legion if he's willing to risk Shepard's life like that.
Look at it this way: By putting Shepard in danger without warrning to save his own people, Legion is no different then Gerrel. They both put Shepard at risk to save their own. Legion put Shepard at risk to save an entire "city" of geth, just as Gerrel did to save his entire race from the threat of the dreadnought.
AGAIN, you twist my words. I said I trust him, but that it's completely reasonable for no one else to.

The immediate mission was disabling the Dreadnaught.  It is absurd you want to act like it is a crime he waited until that mission was over and within one minute told them about the signal on Rannoch.

Further, Legion lied by ommission.  He neglected to tell Shep about certain things.  Tali knew her people were starting a war admist a Reaper Invasion.  Tali knew Shep would probably consider that relevant information.  Tali neglected to tell Shepard about this until their a** was getting handed to them.  Tali was perfectly willing to let her people carry out a secret war that violated Treaties the Quarians willingly signed and for which Shep later notes they did it because the Council was too busy dealing with the Reaper War to sanction them.

In short, Legion lied by ommission and those lies helped me and the Quarians.  I repeat they end result was they helped.  Tali neglected to tell me something just like Legion neglected to tell me something but ultimately it resulted in me having to waste f**king time bailing the Quarians out while the Galaxy is burning.  But of course, Tali is a cute fleshy organic so her neglecting to tell me about them starting a f**king war in the middle of a galactic apocalypse is fine.

Maybe I am pragamatic but I don't care if you don't tell me something but it helps me.  I care if you don't tell me something and it hurts me.

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Modifié par Wayning_Star, 09 avril 2013 - 01:44 .

[Da Don Giovanni]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

DESTROY THE HUMANS, THEY ARE A BLIGHT ON GALACTIC PURITY!


Ahem, I mean bad show old boy.

Batarians got what they deserve.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

DESTROY THE HUMANS, THEY ARE A BLIGHT ON GALACTIC PURITY!


Ahem, I mean bad show old boy.

Batarians got what they deserve.

And so do the Geth.*



*Death of course.

[Wayning_Star]

be a reaper? and use the catalyst to do it? (must be that self determination thing again?)

[Auld Wulf]

Regarding the Normandy's stealth system? Radio chatter. There's radio chatter between the quarian flotilla and the Normandy. The geth aren't stupid. If they were going to fire on non-combatants, they'd find and fire on the Normandy.

Still a massive hole. But hey, don't let over a year's worth of xenophobic hate get shot down by logic. It hasn't worked thus far.

Hate the Reapers. Hate the geth. Hate hate hate.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 09 avril 2013 - 02:07 .

[Wayning_Star]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Regarding the Normandy's stealth system? Radio chatter. There's radio chatter between the quarian flotilla and the Normandy. The geth aren't stupid. If they were going to fire on non-combatants, they'd find and fire on the Normandy.

Still a massive hole. But hey, don't let over a year's worth of xenophobic hate get shot down by logic. It hasn't worked thus far.

Hate the Reapers. Hate the geth. Hate hate hate.

The relay within the PV makes me wonder how to put a hole in hiding geth lore... I'm just glad I brokered peace between the two. Makes the OP kind of moot.

[Megaton_Hope]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Regarding the Normandy's stealth system? Radio chatter. There's radio chatter between the quarian flotilla and the Normandy. The geth aren't stupid. If they were going to fire on non-combatants, they'd find and fire on the Normandy.

Not if the Normandy engages stealth systems, and radio silence.

That's a thing.

And allegedly the Geth don't use windows, although since they could build eyes into the exterior of their craft, that's kind of silly.

[S.A.K]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Regarding the Normandy's stealth system? Radio chatter. There's radio chatter between the quarian flotilla and the Normandy. The geth aren't stupid. If they were going to fire on non-combatants, they'd find and fire on the Normandy.

Still a massive hole. But hey, don't let over a year's worth of xenophobic hate get shot down by logic. It hasn't worked thus far.

Hate the Reapers. Hate the geth. Hate hate hate.

I think the Geth prove they are stupid when they selected to worst star out of 400billion to make that Dyson sphere around. I hope that thing was full of those Geth idiots. Your lack of knowledge on the game mechanics such as the stealth system or your tone isn't helping either.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

remydat wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA

Look I am telling you what the characters said.  Whether you think the Treaty is bullsh*t or not is irrelevant.  If that is what the Quarians thought then the solution is for them not to sign it.  They signed it and Shepard flat out says they violated it at a time when they surmised the Council would be too busy to sanction them for it.  That is what the writers wrote not me.

That was well almost 300 years ago when that treaty was signed. Things change in 300 years. Circumstances change. The Quarians were on the verge of going extinct. Nothing lasts forever. Treaties aren't observed forever either. If you believe that you're naive. They were forced into signing it. It gave them no place to settle. It imposed draconian sanctions. It was essentially the Treaty of Versailles. And yes that's what the writers wrote. The Quarians took advantage of the situation when the Council was too busy to sanction them further. I mean what were they going to do to them anyway? Forbid the worlds in the Terminus from trading with them? LOL.

If your parents never bother to teach you morals then you did not go bad as that suggests you at some point possessed the capacity to know right from wrong.  The Quarians taught the Geth to kill.  The Geth VI says they will help if the Creators no longer threaten them right after Gherel says, "The Geth have stop firing.  They are completely vulnerable."  Again I did not write the dialogue.  The Quarians keep shooting.  Is shooting at someone with the intent to kill threatening them?  If the answer is yes which it obviously is then the Geth VI orders the Quarians killed in self defense.  Just beacause he does so without the remorse Legion shows proves nothing except he is not as fogiving of a**holes who shoot at his people and try to kill them.

The Geth VI says they will help you, but the creators must no longer threaten them. And like I said, this means the Quarians must be eliminated. The Geth have stopped firing because they no longer are controlled by the Reaper. They are confused. There are insufficient numbers of them to network and form a high enough intelligence to fight a war without the reaper code. That is why they are not firing. Gerrel (please spell his name correctly -- I have the respect not to spell Legion's name Leegin) orders his fleet to fire because he wants to take advantage and take back the home world for his people. I cannot blame him for that.

However, one admiral is not in favor of this, and is quite upset, but we do not know this because they cut the quest from the game. You'd have to search your game disk for the dialogue. She is their Dr. Crazy.

I am incapable of ignoring what the dialogue clearly shows.  When you find a video of the Geth VI firing on Quarians who have stopped shooting at them then please present it.  irrelevant

Where do you get the idea the code has not been scrubbed.  What does that even mean.  Legion has been using the Code the whole time without any ill effect since the time you meet him.  Again, show me game evidence.

Gone over for malware. You do remember how EDI was taken over by the software on the Collector ship. You do remember how EDI was taken over by the software of the Reaper IFF. This is EDI, a blue box AI, not a mobile platform Geth VI like Legion. After you've killed the reaper, Geth VI or Legion decides to upload what seems to be the operating system of the reaper to the Geth. Legion displays this red globe in the war room, and will even agree with you that it is not a good idea if you press it about this.

The the problem with your scenario is the Reapers already have the race of killer robots under control.  The Reaper signal is still transmitting.  The Quarians and Shep have no idea the Reaper exists.  Why the hell would the Reaper let Legion tell them when it could simply have Legion upload the code without every revealing the fact it exists.  In that scenario they get killer robots and the Quarians attack Rannoch thinking the code is disabled but it is not.

Reapers indoctrinate humans to be sleeper agents and allow them to help humans. Look at Amanda Kenson who appeared totally benign until she led Shepard right into the trap. But these are synthetics, and thus totally trustworthy, I get that because synthetics are incapable of deceit.... like EDI.

You can pick whatever ending you want.  Destroy to me is simply proving the Reapers right.  You achieve peace only to back stab synthetics.

I'm going to pull a you. I did not write that into the game. Mac Walters did.

When some idiot race creates a more advanced synthetic race and that advanced synthetic race discovers what you did and surmises that no matter how synthetics help they will ultimately always be betrayed by organics and decides the only solution is to kill all organics then you get the Gold Star by defeating the Reapers in a manner that paves the way for them to ultimately be proven right.

Then you blow those synthetics to hell before they get too powerful. I'm sorry, but that's the way it work. You don't screw around with synthetics rights and all that crap. Maybe you do, but I don't.

Shepard deserves nothing.  Life doesn't work that way.  Sometimes all your choices are sh*tty and you don't get to install a mod to solve them.  Again, it is a game and you can do what you want but if you wanted a fairy tale where the hero lives happily ever after then go read or play a fairy tale. 

The Quarians didn't try to turn off their computer temporarily.  They tried to kill it.  I don't think bullet holes in your computer is designed to fix it so this argument is irrelevant.  The Quarains were putting bullet holes in the Geth not taking it in for maintenance.

You just don't like the fact that there are people around who stand up for the Quarians, and have solid cases for doing it. There are two sides to this war. I didn't write that situation. In reality it was a lot more complex, but the writers decided to simplify it because they didn't think the gaming public could handle the complexities.

And finally the truth comes out. The mod. Don't tell me how life works. I can guarantee I have a hell of a lot more life experience than you.

Okay, you got your fairy tale ending in Synthesis. You got your Disney Happily Ever After Ending in Synthesis. Tricia Helfer's narration gets so sickningly sweet at the end of it I start feeling ill, and I like Tricia Helfer. None of it makes any sense. You didn't make the tough choice. You took the easy way out. You rewrote the entire galaxy on a molecular level. You changed everyone. You changed every living creature. You changed every micro-organisim that lives inside of every living being. You changed every ecosystem.

And Shepard survived the High EMS Destroy ending. MEHEM just removes the most offensive part of the ending -- Starbrat -- the part that makes the least sense. Why should I have to sit through it when I'm going to choose Destroy anyway?

It's just that Mac Walters decided that Shepard should spend the rest of eternity buried holding her breath under a pile of rubble so he could go off writing comic books. I hope he never gets within 100 miles of ME4.

Who knows maybe you picked Destroy? Maybe you came to your senses at the end, but you argue too much like a zealot to see any kind of reason.