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[Rip504]

Do Geth have dreams.?

[tevix]

@Deinonslayer

That's the first posts of yours in a while I feel I need to actually speak against.

Have you ever, at that tree, in the very first option, said no to the upload? If you did, you might have forgotten what happens.

The geth fleet attempts to retreat. They try to LEAVE. Gerrel orders pursuit and to wipe them all out. The quarians are now the agressors, unprovoked (in this instance, not referring to any others).

Legion begs you to let him upload the code to save his people..."Please, this is not justice."

If you allow the upload, the geth defend themsevles against a relentless agressor. Gerrel will not allow a retreat, so we don't know what would happen if they stood down fir---

WAIT! Yes we do! The geth standing down first only gets them slaughtered. The quarians standing down first gets peace. Hmmm. Not to mention, even when you achieve peace gerrel resists. He has to be overruled by the other admirals first. That's not a man of peace.

Regardless of which way you go (without peace) you are enabling the genocide of an entire society. You can't claim innocence either way.

Also, for S.A.K who would call someone a bas---- for "killing" 17 million people to save "toasters" even if they're alive....if they're alive how can you objectively value one life over another? You can't.

The geth in their history are far from innocent, but so are the quarians. I would choose the geth for one reason:

They govern as equal members of a society instead of an entire society mindlessly bowing down to the rule of a few power hunger loose cannon military blowhards. I don't trust military rule, ever. Look at what it did to the quarians...it dragged half a society into a war it didn't want.

Gerrel is a power hungery military leader with a god complex.
Xen doesn't want war, but will accept it to test her toys and attempt to get the geth back.
Raan is too chicken s--- to speak up so she "goes with the flow".
Tali is too chicken s--- to speak up so she "goes with the flow".

If that's the society you want having your back be my guest.

[G Kevin]

Rip504 wrote...

Do Geth have dreams.?

I don't believe they ever sleep.

[Anubis722]

tevix wrote...

@Deinonslayer

That's the first posts of yours in a while I feel I need to actually speak against.

Have you ever, at that tree, in the very first option, said no to the upload? If you did, you might have forgotten what happens.

The geth fleet attempts to retreat. They try to LEAVE. Gerrel orders pursuit and to wipe them all out. The quarians are now the agressors, unprovoked (in this instance, not referring to any others).

Legion begs you to let him upload the code to save his people..."Please, this is not justice."

If you allow the upload, the geth defend themsevles against a relentless agressor. Gerrel will not allow a retreat, so we don't know what would happen if they stood down fir---

WAIT! Yes we do! The geth standing down first only gets them slaughtered. The quarians standing down first gets peace. Hmmm. Not to mention, even when you achieve peace gerrel resists. He has to be overruled by the other admirals first. That's not a man of peace.

Regardless of which way you go (without peace) you are enabling the genocide of an entire society. You can't claim innocence either way.

Also, for S.A.K who would call someone a bas---- for "killing" 17 million people to save "toasters" even if they're alive....if they're alive how can you objectively value one life over another? You can't.

The geth in their history are far from innocent, but so are the quarians. I would choose the geth for one reason:

They govern as equal members of a society instead of an entire society mindlessly bowing down to the rule of a few power hunger loose cannon military blowhards. I don't trust military rule, ever. Look at what it did to the quarians...it dragged half a society into a war it didn't want.

Gerrel is a power hungery military leader with a god complex.
Xen doesn't want war, but will accept it to test her toys and attempt to get the geth back.
Raan is too chicken s--- to speak up so she "goes with the flow".
Tali is too chicken s--- to speak up so she "goes with the flow".

If that's the society you want having your back be my guest.

Tali was one who back Koris voted aganst the war. and trying to estabish peace with Legion before the War

Modifié par AnubisEgyptainLordofDeath, 17 mars 2013 - 08:21 .

[G Kevin]

tevix wrote...

The geth in their history are far from innocent, but so are the quarians. I would choose the geth for one reason:

They govern as equal members of a society instead of an entire society mindlessly bowing down to the rule of a few power hunger loose cannon military blowhards. I don't trust military rule, ever. Look at what it did to the quarians...it dragged half a society into a war it didn't want.

Part of Geth society almost managed to let the Reapers into the galaxy and destroy galactic civilization. I haven't seen the Quarians try anything this massive that might risk the entire galactic civilization.

[tevix]

@Anubis

She said she backed him going against it, but I'm wondering how much.

She couldn't even get Raan to step down. She had two out of four with a decisive wet noodle vote up for grabs. She didn't try hard enough. She also says "Public disagreement would divide the fleet" or something very close.

She didn't try very hard. Even in ME2 she's afraid of speaking out for the same reason.

Now half the fleet is LITERALLY divided...as in blown apart. Nice going, Tali.

[4stringwizard]

tevix wrote...

@Deinonslayer

That's the first posts of yours in a while I feel I need to actually speak against.

Have you ever, at that tree, in the very first option, said no to the upload? If you did, you might have forgotten what happens.

The geth fleet attempts to retreat. They try to LEAVE. Gerrel orders pursuit and to wipe them all out. The quarians are now the agressors, unprovoked (in this instance, not referring to any others).

Legion begs you to let him upload the code to save his people..."Please, this is not justice."

If you allow the upload, the geth defend themsevles against a relentless agressor. Gerrel will not allow a retreat, so we don't know what would happen if they stood down fir---

WAIT! Yes we do! The geth standing down first only gets them slaughtered. The quarians standing down first gets peace. Hmmm. Not to mention, even when you achieve peace gerrel resists. He has to be overruled by the other admirals first. That's not a man of peace.

Regardless of which way you go (without peace) you are enabling the genocide of an entire society. You can't claim innocence either way.

Also, for S.A.K who would call someone a bas---- for "killing" 17 million people to save "toasters" even if they're alive....if they're alive how can you objectively value one life over another? You can't.

The geth in their history are far from innocent, but so are the quarians. I would choose the geth for one reason:

They govern as equal members of a society instead of an entire society mindlessly bowing down to the rule of a few power hunger loose cannon military blowhards. I don't trust military rule, ever. Look at what it did to the quarians...it dragged half a society into a war it didn't want.

Gerrel is a power hungery military leader with a god complex.
Xen doesn't want war, but will accept it to test her toys and attempt to get the geth back.
Raan is too chicken s--- to speak up so she "goes with the flow".
Tali is too chicken s--- to speak up so she "goes with the flow".

If that's the society you want having your back be my guest.

So you'd commit genocide of a whole race that IS alive to save a bunch of toasters that aren't alive?  Because if you don't allow the Geth to upload the code - they're just that.  Toasters.  Only after uploading the code do they possibly become "alive", and even that is highly debatable. 

Your other points about "mindlessly following leaders" is just stupid because you can't blame a whole society for following leaders.  Did you oppose the Iraq invasion years back?  I hope not, cause going by your logic, Iraqi blood is on your hands because you didn't stop it from happening. 

[Only-Twin]

Tali was one the people who back Koris voted aganst the war. and trying to estabish peace with Legion before the War

Raan also tries to talk Gerrel down with the dreadnought issue, but obviously he ignores her being the war-mongering fool he is.

[tevix]

@G Kevin

Only because the quarians thought picking a fight with the geth during galactic annihilation was a good idea. I refuse to stroke the ego of some military d-bag with a god complex to have his rather limited firepower.

I didn't say the geth were in the right. I said they were both in the wrong, and I'm being asked to pick one.

I'd rather blow them both up.

[DeinonSlayer]

@Tevix - If you have the VI with you, by the point you hit that first dialogue tree, the VI has already stated, unequivocally, that it will kill the Quarians off if you upload the code. Both sides press the advantage they have, as they did in the Morning War. The Quarians expect them to do the same here because that's what the Geth did in the Morning War - no mercy, no relief. The Quarians don't see the Geth having let the last 1% escape as a mercy, and according to the Geth, it wasn't. If you have Legion with you, however, the Geth are willing to honor a ceasefire - when this is communicated to the Quarian fleet, they stand down.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 17 mars 2013 - 08:29 .

[tevix]

@4stringwizard

I perceive the geth as alive, if you don't, that's entirely your perrogative. If that defines your choice, very good.

I didn't recall that we attempted genocide on the Iraqi people while simulatneously trying to fight off an alien invasion just because we wanted their land. Also, to draw a line of similarity between us and the quarians you would then have to add in that those attacks can't take place without the ships captains.

Our equivilant would be our state governors. If enough opposed, the admirals would either have to stand down, or overrule and then stand down. In which case the next admiralty board may stand down anyway.

We don't have such a luxury with how the US is governed now.

[G Kevin]

tevix wrote...

Only because the quarians thought picking a fight with the geth during galactic annihilation was a good idea. I refuse to stroke the ego of some military d-bag with a god complex to have his rather limited firepower.

I didn't say the geth were in the right. I said they were both in the wrong, and I'm being asked to pick one.

I'd rather blow them both up.

They needed a place to stay because of the war and Rannoch is the best place. Plus, they developed a weapon that allowed them to easily beat the Geth and retake Rannoch. The Reaper intervention is what stopped the Quarians in their tracks.

My earlier comment was reffering to the fact that the Geth have proven to be more dangerous to galactic civilzation than the Quarians.

[tevix]

@Deinonslayer

True. With the geth VI in play you are essentially dealing with a dualing pair of Gerrels.

So you have two military leaders who want to wipe eachother out to get back at the other. How do you choose between that? I honestly don't know.

My plays with the VI in place of legion frequently flip flop between who I would save. Legion is more self aware than the other geth. The other geth may attack in self defense, or because they agree with legion. We have no way of knowing for sure.

Either way you are condemning a race for the bigotry of its leadership.

[Sentibunny]

I would choose the Quarians. They're cooler. Besides, I thought about it from a military standpoint. If the Krogans are on my side, I need a tech race, so I chose the Quarians.

[tevix]

@G Kevin

By ME3 the geth were only a threat when the quarians picked a fight with them.

Don't give me the line of "they needed a place to stay." HELLO! Reapers!

Rannoch is not safe! If they waste time trying to build shelters or homes they are just wasting time and resources. The reapers will show up and catch them with their pants down and blow them out of the sky.

If the US is invaded and said enemy attacks are combing through your city....does that seem like a good time to start building a nice two story home?

[tevix]

@Sentibunny

Explain to me how the quarians are more a "tech" race than a race that is 100% "tech".

[eye basher]

People always sell the geth sided with the reapers because the quarians were killing them stick because the reapers are merciful and will let the geth live wanna know the thing about making deals with the devil is that he is the only one that wins.

[DeinonSlayer]

tevix wrote...

@G Kevin

By ME3 the geth were only a threat when the quarians picked a fight with them.

Don't give me the line of "they needed a place to stay." HELLO! Reapers!

Rannoch is not safe! If they waste time trying to build shelters or homes they are just wasting time and resources. The reapers will show up and catch them with their pants down and blow them out of the sky.

If the US is invaded and said enemy attacks are combing through your city....does that seem like a good time to start building a nice two story home?

Nowhere is safe. But the fact is, as long as the Quarians are living in space, they cannot contribute to the larger war effort because they cannot divide the fleet, protect, and feed everyone at the same time. If you require daily shipments from the liveships and your cargo hold is housing hundreds of civilians, you can't split away from the fleet and, say, pick up and transfer a shipload of platinum to the Crucible project, or airlift hundreds of Turian refugees out of a beseiged colony, or move troops around. Unless there's a Turian colony out there somewhere which is not under Reaper attack, willing to take on millions of high-maintenance refugees, and not already flooded with refugees of their own, retaking Rannoch (the only place in the galaxy where a suit breach won't kill) is their best bet for survival.

[G Kevin]

tevix wrote...

By ME3 the geth were only a threat when the quarians picked a fight with them.

Don't give me the line of "they needed a place to stay." HELLO! Reapers!

Rannoch is not safe! If they waste time trying to build shelters or homes they are just wasting time and resources. The reapers will show up and catch them with their pants down and blow them out of the sky.

If the US is invaded and said enemy attacks are combing through your city....does that seem like a good time to start building a nice two story home?

They needed to put their people somewhere because the Reapers could easily defeat them all if they were only on their ships. They can't avoid the Reaper war because they don't have the resources for long time survival. The Quarians decided that with their people safely on Rannoch, it would be much easier to fight the Reapers because losing a ship would only surmount to the crew members and not an entire portion of the population. Rannoch makes sense because they know it best and it is the SAFEST place that they could go to. It's not like the Quarians could go to the Citadel for refuge, they were basically full and denied most refugees.

It is a lot easier to defend on a planet than to fight in space. Earth is a good example of that. Most of the ships get destroyed but the ground fight persisted.

Do you honestly think, the Reapers would not take advantage of the Geth if the Quarians did not attack? The Geth essentially loved the new code that the Reapers upgraded them with that if the Reapers could have used it as a bargaining tool to do as they ask or face extinction by them. If it was not the Quarians, it would have been the Reapers.

Modifié par G Kevin, 17 mars 2013 - 08:58 .

[fuk_em_all71]

if there was no possible way for peace i would pick the quuarians because they will fight down to the last civilian. the geth will fight the reapers butto what point? they can be hacked and all geth can be wiped out without a fight if the reapers found out the locations of geth servers. how many geth would be instantly killed when a sever is shut down? quarians have weak immune systems but they dont have an off button like the geth or reapers. Think of the mission on rannoch to shut down the geth servers. what if the reapers found and shut them all down? the quarians are weak in afirefight but i trust them more than the geth.

[DeinonSlayer]

tevix wrote...

@Deinonslayer

True. With the geth VI in play you are essentially dealing with a dualing pair of Gerrels.

So you have two military leaders who want to wipe eachother out to get back at the other. How do you choose between that? I honestly don't know.

My plays with the VI in place of legion frequently flip flop between who I would save. Legion is more self aware than the other geth. The other geth may attack in self defense, or because they agree with legion. We have no way of knowing for sure.

Either way you are condemning a race for the bigotry of its leadership.

I trust the Quarians more than the Geth VI (lies repeatedly and makes no apologies for siding with the Reapers, spent centuries killing organics on sight and suddenly claims it wants to make nice with the rest of us when its back is against the wall - if we're willing to sign the deal in Quarian blood, anyway - already has the blood of billions on its hands and is wholly remorseless, etc), and I don't trust the Reaper code at all.

[Reever]

Depends on my Shepard. Like always

[DirtySHISN0]

You may select up to 2 perks.

Logans loophole; Post ending you wont be fooled again! You are now more resistant to marketing campaigns and your limbs take fifty percent less rustle damage. However, after march 2012 you can kiss progression goodbye.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 17 mars 2013 - 09:14 .

[Da Don Giovanni]

Rip504 wrote...

Do Geth have dreams.?

Yes.  More like ideas/thoughts.

[DeinonSlayer]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Do Geth have dreams.?

Yes.  More like ideas/thoughts.

They dream of electric sheep.