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[S.A.K]

You guys are persistent if nothing else. I'll give you that much.

[silverexile17s]

shodiswe wrote...

I Think this thread shows one thing, you need a good PR crew with lots of supermodels and otherwhise who are extremely competent at infoltration and winning hearts and minds. Goebels style++ upgraded.

Then you can conquer the World and will have lots of support as you commit your atrocities and genocides. People will usualy pick you as their favrite until you start shootign at them. In some cases they will even forgive personal assasination attempts because they get too infatuated with you.

It seems that no matter how much and how often the Quarians screw up they still got supporters that are ready to forgive them of anything, even when they admit their crimes outright, they are just turning a deafear in that direction. Inventing some kind of diversion or projection of guilt.

The thing is, choosing the Geth won't make the Quarians go extinct, there will just be fewer of them.
It's said that the population of Europé Asia and America all come from about 300 people leaving africa long ago. They breed expanded and populated most of the globe. A people seeking new territory or trying to escape something, we will never know the reason since people didn't write back then. Least not that we know of.

That in mind I'm sure the Quarians will survive. It will just take them a lot of time to rebuild their population to the point where people actualy think they are a political factor to account for in galactic politics. Hopefully they will have learned a lession. Unfortunately such event's usualy leads to radicalification or whatever would be the proper Word in English.
Blaming everyone else but themselves for their demise.

AGAIN, you show blatent double-standard logic.
That is YOUR Modus Operandi. You are the one trying to overplay the quarian's role in this and trying to bury the genocide the geth caused, in BOTH the Morning War, and the Rannoch War.
The geth NEVER had a good rep going. It was "butchered billions in needless mass slaughter," then "butchered Everyone that tried to make any form of peaceful contatc," then "refuse to take any form of action disclaiming our rouge Heretics," THEN "recall Legion and incarcerate him/forbid him from resuming trying ti negotiate." The image panted by that is ANYTHING but of someone that wants to negotiate. The worse part is that you try to headcannon that it's somehow all based on quarians being agressive, when that is not true at all. Quarians desperation, fueled by the Reaper's conquests, drove them ti launch their attack on the geth. It was NEVER because of hating the geth, It was because they wanted their damn world back.

All thorugh this discussion, you have tried to gospelize the geth. I have yet to see you admit to any statement about an action the geth did that was their fault.

And YES, choosing the geth DOES make the quarians go extinct. Even if two or three, hell several ships escape, they are STILL doomed. The quarian race cannot breed without individuals spending extended periods of time in clean rooms. Which were all on the three liveships that were destroyed. Without those clean rooms, the quarians have NO way to mate without the encounter being potentally fatal.Tali spicifically tells you that as "single kiss" could hospitilize her. Raan says that she need days in a clean room with Tali's mother to synch their immune systems, and that Raan was sick for a week. And that was from being in a clean room. It would be fatal to try without the sterrle rooms of the Liveships. Or without Rannoch.
So, YES, they DO go extinct.

[silverexile17s]

Wayning_Star wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

I Think this thread shows one thing, you need a good PR crew with lots of supermodels and otherwhise who are extremely competent at infoltration and winning hearts and minds. Goebels style++ upgraded.

Then you can conquer the World and will have lots of support as you commit your atrocities and genocides. People will usualy pick you as their favrite until you start shootign at them. In some cases they will even forgive personal assasination attempts because they get too infatuated with you.

It seems that no matter how much and how often the Quarians screw up they still got supporters that are ready to forgive them of anything, even when they admit their crimes outright, they are just turning a deafear in that direction. Inventing some kind of diversion or projection of guilt.

The thing is, choosing the Geth won't make the Quarians go extinct, there will just be fewer of them.
It's said that the population of Europé Asia and America all come from about 300 people leaving africa long ago. They breed expanded and populated most of the globe. A people seeking new territory or trying to escape something, we will never know the reason since people didn't write back then. Least not that we know of.

That in mind I'm sure the Quarians will survive. It will just take them a lot of time to rebuild their population to the point where people actualy think they are a political factor to account for in galactic politics. Hopefully they will have learned a lession. Unfortunately such event's usualy leads to radicalification or whatever would be the proper Word in English.
Blaming everyone else but themselves for their demise.

Isn't that the problem, 'being sure so'n so will survive'?  Arm chair generalization. It's really all this thread/OP is about. Hypothetical, hypothetical... (notice how the 'codex' has new and improved lore to fit lost argument?)

And yet you were the one that said the Morning War was 700 years ago, when the Codex says 300.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

Silver,

But it is futile Silver.  Countless cycles have tried.  You think this is the first cycle in billions of years to work together.  Be real.  The point is it doesn't matter it if it is futile.  You still try.  That is the point.  They could have sent a single ship and if it gets shot down then at least you tried.  They could have like the Krogan said to the Turians, we will support you but you need to give us one of your less populated dextro based planets not currently under attack to so we have some place to base our operations and house our people.  Palaven is burning and they just gave the Krogan the cure for the genophage.  You could have at least discussed this possibility with them before sending kids to war.

Koris disputes you claims Silver.  Koris would not be against arming the ships if they were merely transport.  This entire line of reason is crap.  Transport Vechicles are not up close enough to be getting shot down over Rannoch.  Koris ship is shot down because he tried to take out a Geth cannon.  That is not transport Silver.

And you miss the point.  They are either shields or engaged in combat.  A Non-Combantant on a ship that is engaged in trying to take out a Geth cannon is engaged in combat even though he calls himself a non-combatant.  Or let me guess, you expect that Geth Cannon to magically just kill the pilot and the guy operating the Gun?

Umm, the US launches air strikes that kill civilans all the time.  Collateral Damage.  Hell they did one the other day and people were slightly upset because in taking out a key enemy target they killed children.  Do you think anyone is going to jail for that.  No that is what happens in war.

Koris admitted he screwed up.  I already said he should have stood up to Gherel.  When he sacrifices himself so you can save his people, he flat out says do what I could not, save my people from themselves.  He flat out admits he f**ked up.  Even at Tali's trial, he flat out admits later on it was wrong for them to turn it into a political sh*tstorm.

Please find me the scene where Gherel says I am sorry after he stands down?  Gherel is not admitting he is wrong.  He is told the Geth are back to full strength and will kill them.  That is why he stands down.  Also when did he say he was wrong after blowing up the dreadnaught Tali and I was own?

First off, thousands of cycles. At least 20,000 cycles. And AGAIN, a small hope is better then NO hope. One choice offers a chance, the other has NO chance. And the Crucible DOES the job in the end, no? So infalible is ALREADY a load of BS. No one knows before now that the Crucible was used before, so everyone DOES think there is quite the chance for victory.... IF they can all unite and fight. The turians downd several Sovergien-class in the Battle of Palaven, and dozens of Reapers fell in the Palaven ground war. They've been taking losses just like the allies, and THIS cycle has the Mass Relay network completely unlocked, and the Citadel - two things that NONE OF THE PAST CYCLES EVER HAD. And before you try BSing me about how they took the Citadel in the endgame, that was because The Illusive Man copyed Saren and sabotaged it. After all, humans, likely in civilian garb are more likely to scceed where an army of rather conpicus geth would fail, as they wouldn't be noticed from the refugees. Remember, TIM's face isn't exactally public knowledge.

And AGAIN, how many times to I have to say it? NO ship that ever tried survived, so what the hell is the point in trying again? It's like hitting a brick wall with a squeaky toy, expecting it to break with every hit. Nothing to even remotely suggest that the next try will be any different then the last - futile. Especally supported by the fact that the geth recalled Legion, and prevented him from returning comms with Tali. And spending time stalling risks the fleet's future. Decisive actions are needed to ensure they have any chance of surviving the Reapers.
And, LoL, what?? Did you EVER read anything I posted? I spent 60+ pages telling you that that was one of the prime reasons they needed Rannoch - no one else COULD take their people. Name me one turian colony that ISN'T under attack, or ISN'T overcrowed well past safe limites. And if you find me one, tell me if it can handle 17 million high-maintinance civilians with strict health and diatary needs that would be IMPOSSOBLE for the turians to handle in the middle of a war crisis. Your suggestion is complete and utter LoL.

WRONG. He was NOT against arming the ships. He was against sending them into the conflic, which became impossible to avoid when the geth got their upgrades and boxed them in. Even Koris knew that the Civilians needed protection. Raan tells you as much.
And AGAIN, you prove that never once did you listen in this debate. I said that keeping them from the frong lines was SUPPOSED to be how it went.... but then the geth got Reaper Upgrades, and forced the fleet to bunch up and grouop together. The geth's immunity to Xen's weapons made splitting the fleet too risky. THAT'S why the transprots had to group in with the "tanks" - because with the geth's upgrades rendering them inpossible to be stuned now, they could easily get around and butcher the liveships. So they regrouped them back together, with the civilian ships forming the "core" of the formation, and the military ships forming up around them. And Koris "sacrificed" his ship to stop it, as in suicide crash. NOT armed shooting. Suicide ram.

And AGAIN, wrong, because where is it stated that Koris' ship is a civilian ship? It's the flagship of an Admiral, so THAT would be a combat ship. AGAIN, you fail to create anything but headcannon. And AGAIN, even if you try to say "civilian ship" then that STILL doesn't change it, because the driver of the transprot "your precuoius Koris" would be the one to blame.

And AGAIN, only when there is no other option.
The geth DID have that option. And ignored it.

And AGAIN, he's a bloody idealist. He's someone that would risk his entire race on fleeting dreams.  Koris himself even admits to you that he no longer believes in peace if you take the option to save him, and says "you can't possibly think you can stop this war." He no longer believes peace is possible. "Save them from themselves" likely means getting them out of the Tikkun system. NOT achiveing peace. Not unless you convince him it's still possible by saving him.
And apologes? I never heard him apologize for this, just as I never hear Hackett apologize for tossing the Second Fleet away. Or hear Legion apologize for the many deceptions he pulls over on you.

Gerrel standing down IS an admission that he was wrong. If he didn't think he was wrong, he would not have stopped firing. He would have kept going if he thought that he was still right about the geth being genocidal. And AGAIN wrong. If Shepard had only said "the geth are about to return to full strength" hw would NOT have stopped. What gets him to stop is if he is told the geth will not shoot if he stopps. That they will be open to peace. THAT gets him to stop, NOT the "return to full strength."

This looping of your headcannon is getting teduois.
Just FACE it: You lost. You were wrong. Get over it.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 13 avril 2013 - 07:30 .

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

I don't NEED to. The Alerei answers if FOR me.
Rescue: That's the first option. Look at the Alerei. From what Reegar and Gerrel tell you, the first instinct was to try and search for survivors. The Migrant Fleet Marines that went in saw nothing but bodies, and geth poruing out everywhere, killing everything. ONLY AFTER it became appearant that all people on the Alerei were dead was the prospect of destorying the ship brought up. ONLY AFTER they first tried rescue.The only reason it wasn't destroyed when it was obvious that there were no survivors, was because Raan stalled it, hoping that evidence that could exonorate Tali was aborad.
So, THERES your answer: They would mount a rescue operation first.
Satisfied, smartass?

I said that Gerrel saying they stopped shooting did not mean they were defensless. Being vunderable isn't the same as being completely defensless. And AGAIN, weapons would be first priority to reactivate if they are trying to defend themselves. So NO, they were likely NOT completely defenseless. Vunerible isn't the same as "completely unable to fight back at all."
Try again.

And AGAIN, Codex says that the geth will power down AFTER the quarians stop, not before.

The Alerei was not involved in a war with over 50,000 ships in combat.  You think if thousands of Geth ships with organic children on board were firing at the Quarians, the Quarians are going to try and board these Geth ships in the middle of a firefight, rescue the civilians, and then destroy the ships?  Sure dude.  Likewise, when the entire Quarian Fleet is firing on the Geth, they are not going to try and board the ship and ask, hey you in the suit are you a civilian or a solider. 

And your defense is a lie.  I posted what you said.  Here it is again.  Note the bold.  You claimed I was using word of mouth.  This is wrong.  I used what Gherel said in the game.  You said completely vulnerable does not mean they stopped shooting.  This is completely wrong.  It does because your beloved Gherel said they stopped firing.  So you were 100% wrong Silver.  The below has nothing to do with vulnerable and defenseless.  You flat out tried to claim I was using word of mouth and making **** up.  You are 100% categorically proven wrong by you beloved Gherel.  There is no wiggle room here.  There is no way to spin this.  I used game facts and your statement is just wrong.  You can either be like Koris and admit you were wrong or be like Gherel and be stubborn but the below statement is factually 100% incorrect as proven by Gherel dialogue.

AGAIN, you refuse to acknowledge the Codex. AGAIN, you take word of mouth as the unltimate soruce of info. And you WONDER why so many abandon you in the debate as unreasonable. AGAIN, completely vunerible does NOT mean they stopped shooting. It likely means barriers are down, and they have lost all sense of coordination. NOT that they are defenseless.

Pfft. Look at you. I gave you your example, and you STILL aren't satisfied.

YES, I do. That's what the Migrant Fleet Marines are for - anti-boarding duty, and occassional ground escort. Since every ship in the fleet is always in shuttle range of the others, such actions are EXPECTED - family is the highest value among them, so they will put their civilians first and formost. That's the reason they armed the ships in the first place. That's the reason the grouped the military around the civilians when the geth got Reaper upgrades. That's the reason Gerrel attacks the geth dreadnought.
You REALLY haven't been paying attention in this, have you?

AGAIN, dead wrong. YOU are the one using headcannon and lies. Gerrel sepeking IS "word of mouth," which is taking someone purely by what they say. That's word of mouth verbatium. LoL.
And AGAIN, that DOESN'T mean they are permenintly incapable fo shooting back. Stopping their attack doesn't mean they have lost all form of self-defense.
So NO. I was NOT the one wrong here. Once again, you are. Especally since, AGAIN, the Codex lists YOUR  "beloved" geth standing down SECOND in the fight, with the quarians standing down FIRST.
AGAIN, the one that is "catagorically 100% WRONG" is only YOU.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 13 avril 2013 - 07:31 .

[silverexile17s]

S.A.K wrote...

You guys are persistent if nothing else. I'll give you that much.

I'll take that as a complement. Thanks.

[remydat]

Silver,

You are just making my point for me. We still tried despite 20,000 failures. Yet the Quarians give up on peace because it is futile. You just said 20,000 failes over billions of years and organics still try despite billions of years of futility yet I am suppose to believe the Quarians can't send one more ship into Geth space because of 300 years. I am not a mathematician but billions of years of futility is longer than 300 years.

Do you expect the Geth to just let the Quarians kill them because the Quarians are organic? It doesn't matter what the intent was. The civilians ships are on the front lines and firing at the Geth. They get shot down as a result. They are not transport.

Koris doesn't think peace is possible because his people are idiots that ignored them not because of the Geth. That is why he says save them from themselves not from the Geth. Gherel standing down is an admission that if he doesn't the Reaper Code Geth will kill them. As you have said repeatedly, in the non-peace options Gherel is never told about the Reaper Code. He continues to fire. In the peace option he is told and he stands down.

[remydat]

Silver,

AGAIN, you refuse to acknowledge the Codex. AGAIN, you take word of mouth as the unltimate soruce of info. And you WONDER why so many abandon you in the debate as unreasonable. AGAIN, completely vunerible does NOT mean they stopped shooting. It likely means barriers are down, and they have lost all sense of coordination. NOT that they are defenseless.

You were wrong. You specifically said above that completely vulnerable does not mean they stopped firing. You said that verbatim. It is above. Anyone can see it. Gherel proves you were wrong. All this other stuff is you trying to avoid admitting that you were wrong. 

I don't want your reasons or excuses.  Either explain to me how Gherel's statement does not prove you wrong when you said AGAIN, completely vunerible does NOT mean they stopped shooting, or accept you were wrong because that is exactly what Gherel said it meant.  Or we can spend the next few weeks of you making excuses, me continuing to copy and paste your statement and say Gherel says you are wrong and rinse and repeat.  Completely vulnerable does mean they stopped shooting because Gherel said so. That is canon. You are not cannon. Get over it.

Modifié par remydat, 13 avril 2013 - 08:07 .

[Auld Wulf]

@Silver

Your copy-pasting is nothing more than obvious argumentum ad nauseum. Please stop. We both know that Remydat is right about this, and making the same posts at him time and again with just the words 'AGAIN' added isn't something that's going to convince anyone.

That's why you're being parodied. For the good of the debate, move on.

[Khelish]

For the sake of closure, I would like to make one final post here.

I want the gethies to know that I do not kill the geth with malice or hatred in my heart.

Yes, that is all. Keep on debating this, hope you guys have fun and remain civil.

[Nole]

Does anyone even care to read all the text?

[Da Don Giovanni]

silverexile17s wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

You guys are persistent if nothing else. I'll give you that much.

I'll take that as a complement. Thanks.

Persistent is good. Laziness is bad. So yes, a compliment indeed.

[S.A.K]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

You guys are persistent if nothing else. I'll give you that much.

I'll take that as a complement. Thanks.

Persistent is good. Laziness is bad. So yes, a compliment indeed.

Correct.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Silver makes arguments that Remy rebels against, clearly that means the right solution is to routinely harvest everyone in this thread, grind them up into construction goo, build new Mods, and repeat as needed.

There can be no question!

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

zqrahll wrote...

I would choose the Geth because I like Tali more than Legion, simple as that.

That doesn't make any sense...

It makes just as much sense as people purposesly killing off the quarians because they hate Tali. Which is probably the main reason people do kill off the quarians.

[Dunabar]

Alright I've seen enough Pro-Geth support to feel a need to rise up again.

My Canon Shepard will NEVER side with the Geth

My reasons
-Legion saw Shepard destroy the Heretics, so what made this thing calculate a different outcome for the Geth?
-The Geth were content with people hating them, so why should I lose sleep over their choice?
-Quarians were treated like second class citizens, kept down by the citadel council, and have been forced to survive off both their own drive to survive & the garbage of society. Why should I treat them the same way when they're not the same Quarians from 300 years ago and are living people just like me?
-I supported the reclaiming of Rannoch and the return of the Quarian people to their homeworld
-I understood Gerrel's reason for attacking the dreadnought and while it wasn't enjoyable, it was understandable to me.
-The Geth made a choice to serve the Reapers and I respect their choice, however I do not agree with it.
-Tali has been at my side since the first game and is the Lover of my Shepard. How could I even begin to betray that?
-My Shepard is earthborn as well and the Reapers attacked earth. He now knows the pain of the Quarian people.
-The reason the Quarians need Rannoch to me is reasonable and understandable.

and much more.

No matter what people say or do to try and convince me otherwise, I can never forgive the Geth. Fighting for your survival back during the 'Morning war' is one thing, but where does fighting for survival end and needless slaughter begin? The Quarians are living people, the Geth are only machines, and that is my philosophical opinion which is neither greater or lesser than the philosophical opinions of others.

I'm sure after this point I will be referred to as a 'supporter of genocide', 'a fascist', accused of 'having xenophobia', maybe even 'a racist', and I will accept all these names with a 'Smile & nod' attitude. If you feel you're a better person for bestowing such names on people, feel free to bestow them on me. Because in the end my Shepard will still side with only the Quarians and there is not a single thing anyone can do about it, at least not without thinking of committing very malice actions against me. in the end of it all the Quarian-Geth conflict started out as just a war between those two. The Geth turned to the Reapers, Hackett sent me to the Quarians where I found out about the Reaper aid, and the way I see it; I only even the odds. I beat the Reaper and the Geth that got in my way with the aid of the Quarians, the Quarians finished their war with the Geth, and later we went on to destroy the Reapers.

All I can say is; Mission Accomplished.

Geth supporters, I respect your choice to side with them, but I do not agree with it. But your play through is not mine and mine is not yours, so no harm ultimately, and nobody should lose sleep over it. Best wishes no matter our differences of opinion over a game.

To my fellow Quarian supporters, we may be few, but we know where we stand, and nobody can take that from us. It is my honor to stand along side the proud few, because we know what is popular is not always right, and what is right is not always popular. We know the Quarians have never sided with the Reapers out of desperation and we know they will stand at our side to reclaim Earth.


Always remember Adas
Quarian supporter 4 life.

Modifié par Dunabar, 14 avril 2013 - 06:30 .

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

Silver,

You are just making my point for me. We still tried despite 20,000 failures. Yet the Quarians give up on peace because it is futile. You just said 20,000 failes over billions of years and organics still try despite billions of years of futility yet I am suppose to believe the Quarians can't send one more ship into Geth space because of 300 years. I am not a mathematician but billions of years of futility is longer than 300 years.

Do you expect the Geth to just let the Quarians kill them because the Quarians are organic? It doesn't matter what the intent was. The civilians ships are on the front lines and firing at the Geth. They get shot down as a result. They are not transport.

Koris doesn't think peace is possible because his people are idiots that ignored them not because of the Geth. That is why he says save them from themselves not from the Geth. Gherel standing down is an admission that if he doesn't the Reaper Code Geth will kill them. As you have said repeatedly, in the non-peace options Gherel is never told about the Reaper Code. He continues to fire. In the peace option he is told and he stands down.

WRONG. All you just did was further weaken your position. AGAIN. (aren't you getting tired of that?)
In all those cycles, there were people that tried negotiating with the Reapers, or "unifying" with them through either alliance, like Saren and Desolas, or in Cerberus' case, minipulation. ALL of those failed. The only one that worked was FIGHTING. So, in truth, it only WEAKENS your position further, because it's basically proof to fight an enemy that has clearly shown 20,000 times it CANNOT BE REASONED WITH, and to nit give them a chance to come back. That SAME ideal of impossible to reason, and genocidal desires. with is what everyone thinks the geth are like. You just killed your own arguemnt. And you don't even realize it.
Like I said, the GETH gave the impression they didn't want to negotiate. They recalled Legion. They killed anyone and everyone else that tried. They didn't care to differentate themselves from the Heretics. They did NOTHING but give the impresion to others that the geth were hostile and anti-organic. It's not "codwardice" or "futility," to fight an enemy that has no intention of stopping to listen to what you have to say. It's cowerdice and futile to give in to death. Which was the ONLY other alternitive if they didn't re-take Rannoch. The Reapers are actively coming to kill them. The geth are blocking the only path to avoid that death, and they haven't shown any intent to move out of the way. It's NOT "futile" or "cowardly" or anything you have headcannoned the quarians to be, to treat the geth as an obsticle that has no intent of letting them pass.

NO. AGAIN, you and your double-standards. I repeated, ad nausiuim, that they were NOT on the front lines until the Reaper-controlled geth FORCED them like that. The GETH corralled them together like that. Otherwise the civilians would NOT be on the front lines. The geth forced them to bunch up, because the altenritive was to let the geth kill the civilians.  They WERE transports. Plain and simple. AGAIN, you show lack of comprehension.

WRONG. AGAIN, you act on your double-standard bias. Koris does whatever he can to try and blame the quarians for this mess. He's NOT an unbiased source. The geth chose isolation over negotiation. The geth chose slaughter over self-defense. The geth chose apathy over proactive effort. The geth choose to recall Legion rather then pan out the chance of peace (No different then what you accused the quarians of, so you were attacking BOTH in your sentance).The GETH brought this fate down on themselves just as much as the quarians. No amount of headcannon, or blame-shifting, will EVER change that.
And AGAIN, dead wrong. Look at the rest of the galaxy, They are fighting the Reapers even though they are superiour. Gerrel would have acted the SAME, unless he learns the geth are open to negotiate. The geth returning toi full strength had NOTHING to do with standing down. Learning they are open to talking  DOES. AGAIN, you lack comprehension. Saying "the geth are about to return to full strength" is NOT what stops him. Saying "The geth don't want to fight you." IS what does. So NO, learning the geth are returning to "full strength" ISN'T the cause at all.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

Silver,

AGAIN, you refuse to acknowledge the Codex. AGAIN, you take word of mouth as the unltimate soruce of info. And you WONDER why so many abandon you in the debate as unreasonable. AGAIN, completely vunerible does NOT mean they stopped shooting. It likely means barriers are down, and they have lost all sense of coordination. NOT that they are defenseless.

You were wrong. You specifically said above that completely vulnerable does not mean they stopped firing. You said that verbatim. It is above. Anyone can see it. Gherel proves you were wrong. All this other stuff is you trying to avoid admitting that you were wrong. 

I don't want your reasons or excuses.  Either explain to me how Gherel's statement does not prove you wrong when you said AGAIN, completely vunerible does NOT mean they stopped shooting, or accept you were wrong because that is exactly what Gherel said it meant.  Or we can spend the next few weeks of you making excuses, me continuing to copy and paste your statement and say Gherel says you are wrong and rinse and repeat.  Completely vulnerable does mean they stopped shooting because Gherel said so. That is canon. You are not cannon. Get over it.

That they stopped firing means they broke their assault. But NOTHING to say they didn't resume it as the quarians pressed on. It's like being stunned. You hesitate as the stun passes over you, but then you resume what you were doing, albieat unfocused. SAME here. Stun them, they stop attacking you, but then get back up and imeadeately resume, although now addled.
AGAIN, you were WRONG. YOU are the one taking Gerrel by word of mouth, remember?

So ENOUGH already. Especally since you ignored what I said about quarian resuce attempts (your admission on that, I suppose).
SO YES, when I said "completeluy vunerible" does NOT mean "stopped shooting/incapable of shooting" I MEANT IT.
You keep using the quote, and STILL are being disproved. Don't you think that tells you something?
Just FACE it: You got into this situation because you believed everything you hear. NOT what you saw, which we didn't. You got into this because you didn't believe the actual battle transcript from the aftermath of the war, which says the geth dropped defenses TEMPERORARALY in all three versions, with one having them unable to fully regain coheasion, another having them devestate the enemy with full restoration, and the last having them regain cohesion, but stand down AFTER the quarians do.
YOU are the one that blindly followed what you were told here.
You lost. "get over it."

Modifié par silverexile17s, 14 avril 2013 - 05:16 .

[silverexile17s]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Silver

Your copy-pasting is nothing more than obvious argumentum ad nauseum. Please stop. We both know that Remydat is right about this, and making the same posts at him time and again with just the words 'AGAIN' added isn't something that's going to convince anyone.

That's why you're being parodied. For the good of the debate, move on.

Says the one everyone uses as the punchline of all indoctrination jokes on this thread.
As I JUST showed, @remydat was NOT right.
Also, I remind you that your posts were the ones convincing no one, since they repeatedly brought in racal comments and standards that no one else was using, and that only you yourself ever brought up. And the 'AGAIN' is because @remydat keeps using the same headcannon over and over, so I refute with the counters from before that he either ignored, or countered with MORE headcannon.

That sentance about the "good of the debate" is only applicable to you.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 14 avril 2013 - 05:22 .

[silverexile17s]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Silver makes arguments that Remy rebels against, clearly that means the right solution is to routinely harvest everyone in this thread, grind them up into construction goo, build new Mods, and repeat as needed.

There can be no question!

Hah. I'm the organic, he's the synthetic. We can't agree. It's only a matter of time before the Moderators come and harvest the thread, right?

Modifié par silverexile17s, 14 avril 2013 - 05:21 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

It is the only way to stop the chaos. The harvest must happen.

[Wayning_Star]

silverexile17s wrote...

remydat wrote...

Silver,

AGAIN, you refuse to acknowledge the Codex. AGAIN, you take word of mouth as the unltimate soruce of info. And you WONDER why so many abandon you in the debate as unreasonable. AGAIN, completely vunerible does NOT mean they stopped shooting. It likely means barriers are down, and they have lost all sense of coordination. NOT that they are defenseless.

You were wrong. You specifically said above that completely vulnerable does not mean they stopped firing. You said that verbatim. It is above. Anyone can see it. Gherel proves you were wrong. All this other stuff is you trying to avoid admitting that you were wrong. 

I don't want your reasons or excuses.  Either explain to me how Gherel's statement does not prove you wrong when you said AGAIN, completely vunerible does NOT mean they stopped shooting, or accept you were wrong because that is exactly what Gherel said it meant.  Or we can spend the next few weeks of you making excuses, me continuing to copy and paste your statement and say Gherel says you are wrong and rinse and repeat.  Completely vulnerable does mean they stopped shooting because Gherel said so. That is canon. You are not cannon. Get over it.

That they stopped firing means they broke their assault. But NOTHING to say they didn't resume it as the quarians pressed on. It's like being stunned. You hesitate as the stun passes over you, but then you resume what you were doing, albieat unfocused. SAME here. Stun them, they stop attacking you, but then get back up and imeadeately resume, although now addled.
AGAIN, you were WRONG. YOU are the one taking Gerrel by word of mouth, remember?

So ENOUGH already. Especally since you ignored what I said about quarian resuce attempts (your admission on that, I suppose).
SO YES, when I said "completeluy vunerible" does NOT mean "stopped shooting/incapable of shooting" I MEANT IT.
You keep using the quote, and STILL are being disproved. Don't you think that tells you something?
Just FACE it: You got into this situation because you believed everything you hear. NOT what you saw, which we didn't. You got into this because you didn't believe the actual battle transcript from the aftermath of the war, which says the geth dropped defenses TEMPERORARALY in all three versions, with one having them unable to fully regain coheasion, another having them devestate the enemy with full restoration, and the last having them regain cohesion, but stand down AFTER the quarians do.
YOU are the one that blindly followed what you were told here.
You lost. "get over it."

see how the text wall argumentative , in reality, actually works folks... as in "you lost, get over it"?

someone is overtly self absorbed.. now as many "hope" the Mods put this thread out of it's misery..lol

(quite actually the original thread post as well as the discussion is lost, not any argument to frame the precept. This accounts for the large  view count and ends the thread with a , but really just another  contribution to the war weary BSN....)

[remydat]

Silver,

Once again I don't need your excuses or reasons.  This statement was wrong.  You Quarian Idol Gherel confirms it.  When you can admit that, I will consider the rest of your argument.

Gherel:  You did it Shepard.  The Geth Fleet have stopped firing.  They are Completely Vulinerable.

Silver's factually inaccurate interpretation.

AGAIN, you refuse to acknowledge the Codex. AGAIN, you take word of mouth as the unltimate soruce of info. And you WONDER why so many abandon you in the debate as unreasonable. AGAIN, completely vunerible does NOT mean they stopped shooting. It likely means barriers are down, and they have lost all sense of coordination. NOT that they are defenseless.

Modifié par remydat, 14 avril 2013 - 04:55 .

[remydat]

Silver,

Fighting failed for 20 thousand cycles according to you Silver.  Fighting failed for billions of years.  Everything failed.  Yet you still see the value in fighting despite that monumetal failure.  But, OMG 300 years of failure means we can't try because it is futile, lol.  Billions of years of failure.  keep trying.  300 years of failure.  Give up and send your kids to war. 

Also, you have ignored another alternative.  The Krogan said they would help the Turians if they supported a cure for the genophage.  Why could the Quarians before sending kids to war say we will help the Turians and provide support if they give us one of their less populated dextro based planets currently not under attack?  Was such an offer made before they turned their kids homes into glass cannons?

Haha, so it is the Geth fault they are on the front lines.  Not the Quarians who sent them to war?  The Quarians were getting their a** handed to them because of the RC and choose to as Koris admits involve their Civilian ships. Not only that these idiots planned a war and didn't apparently ensure they could retreat in the event they failed.  A sensible war plan includes plans for retreat.  A sensible war plan means you control the Mass Relay in Rannoch so if sh*t hits the fan, you can get your civilians back through the realy.  So how did they get trapped in the home system.  Because they are stupid.  

And sorry bro, Koris dialogue trumps Silver.  Or are you Quarian?  Gherel is that you?

[remydat]

Dunabar

The Quarians are living people, the Geth are only machines, and that is my philosophical opinion which is neither greater or lesser than the philosophical opinions of others.

You are free to have an opinion but saying it is neither greater or lesser than someone else's is not entirely true. The above opinion is prejudice no matter how you slice it. Case in point. I am prejudiced against all non-human life on earth. I don't deem them the same as humans. If they gained sentience and could fight for their rights to the point of killing 2 billion humans then guess what I have no rational argument against them. I can't claim my prejudice means it was ok to do what I did to them. It was prejudice plain and simple.

It may be perfectly understandable from my perspective why I value human life more than the poor chicen fetus (eggs) I just ate for breakfast today but once those f**king chickens gain sentience and can fight for their rights, my prejudice is a losing argument 100%. You can no longer justify it period.

That does not mean you have to choose the Geth but say an opinion rooted in prejudice is philosophically the same as one not rooted in prejudice is simply incorrect in IMO.  Otherwise, every racial group that has every discriminated or slaughtered another group could say well my philosophical opinion that (insert racial group here) is inferior or subhuman to me is no greater or lesser than your opinion that they should be treated equally.  Umm, no.  It is lesser and will always be lesser.

Modifié par remydat, 14 avril 2013 - 05:20 .