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[Skullheart]

fuk_em_all71 wrote...

if there was no possible way for peace i would pick the quuarians because they will fight down to the last civilian. the geth will fight the reapers butto what point? they can be hacked and all geth can be wiped out without a fight if the reapers found out the locations of geth servers. how many geth would be instantly killed when a sever is shut down? quarians have weak immune systems but they dont have an off button like the geth or reapers. Think of the mission on rannoch to shut down the geth servers. what if the reapers found and shut them all down? the quarians are weak in afirefight but i trust them more than the geth.

Do you understand how the geth works? and how they are alive after Legion upload the reaper code?

[DeinonSlayer]

Skullheart wrote...

fuk_em_all71 wrote...

if there was no possible way for peace i would pick the quuarians because they will fight down to the last civilian. the geth will fight the reapers butto what point? they can be hacked and all geth can be wiped out without a fight if the reapers found out the locations of geth servers. how many geth would be instantly killed when a sever is shut down? quarians have weak immune systems but they dont have an off button like the geth or reapers. Think of the mission on rannoch to shut down the geth servers. what if the reapers found and shut them all down? the quarians are weak in afirefight but i trust them more than the geth.

Do you understand how the geth works? and how they are alive after Legion upload the reaper code?

Are they before, though? I believe they are, but Legion's dialogue would suggest they are not. If they aren't, and peace isn't chosen, that means the upload spontaneously creates life so that its very first act can be to deprive it from seventeen million others. If the Geth aren't alive before the upload, blocking the upload would mean no life was actually lost - just hardware.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 17 mars 2013 - 09:28 .

[Skullheart]

Te geth were already alive before the reaper code. That code only accelerated the process (words from Shepard).

[DeinonSlayer]

Skullheart wrote...

Te geth were already alive before the reaper code. That code only accelerated the process (words from Shepard).

Like I said, I believe they were already alive without the code (even though Legion says they "would be" alive with it, implying that they aren't yet without it). Shepard can disagree with that assessment, however. I was just going off of your original wording.

[Samtheman63]

would i take tireless, merciless machines over a bunch of annoying suit rats for a war?

yes

[G Kevin]

Skullheart wrote...

Te geth were already alive before the reaper code. That code only accelerated the process (words from Shepard).

They were not at the same level of other organic species. The Reaper code made them so that they had individuality and actually became like other races. In other words, the Geth were a lesser life before the code.

[DeinonSlayer]

G Kevin wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Te geth were already alive before the reaper code. That code only accelerated the process (words from Shepard).

They were not at the same level of other organic species. The Reaper code made them so that they had individuality and actually became like other races. In other words, the Geth were a lesser life before the code.

This is true. A single Geth runtime has an intellect on par with a worker ant. A hundred go into a standard combat chassis, but together they lack the facilities to even decide for themselves whether shooting at you is right or wrong - they're about as smart as a varren. Intellect rises as platforms network. 1183 on one platform gets you Legion - clearly intelligent, but if you told those same 1183 runtimes to operate an entire cruiser on their own, I'd bet we're back down to varren intellect again... if that.

Pre-upgrade, the nature of Geth sapience is... fluid. Post-upgrade, the writers don't even try to explain the change. Does each runtime become self-aware, or each platform? We simply don't know.

[136th]

From a practical point of view The choice is simple.

Quarians: weaker but will fight to the bitter end no matter what, they will never betray you.

Geth: tougher, but the geth are only in for self-preservation; if the Reapers offer to spare them, the geth will betray you without hesitation. they are unreliable ally.

I a hopeless war the most important quality is whether your allies are willing to make a last stand, and to fight to the death.

Since the Geth only care about short-term survival; they are liability, not assets.
That's why I will choose the Quarian over the Geth every single time.

[kleindropper]

The geth are walking toasters who sided with the Reapers twice, so they must be eliminated. If you keep the quarians, you can always remake the geth after Destroy, so no harm no foul.

[Karlone123]

kleindropper wrote...

 you can always remake the geth after Destroy, so no harm no foul.

That's the way I look at it, it's very harsh as a piece of equipment should be treated with care, but in the end, they can be rebuilt.

Modifié par Karlone123, 17 mars 2013 - 09:51 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Karlone123 wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

 you can always remake the geth after Destroy, so no harm no foul.

That's the way I look at it, it's very harsh as a piece of equipment should be treated with care, but in the end, they can be rebuilt.

What you rebuild won't be the same as the original. Look at CloneShep, or the Geth VI. If Geth reconstructed post-Destroy are anything like the VI... better that they stayed dead.

[Angmir]

If there werea dog about to die and a human about to die and you could only save one - which one would you save ?

Similary

There are 2 superpowerfull nukes fired - one at your home country other at some country on the oposide side of the world. You can only stop one from hitting its target which one will you choose ??

Unless you are totaly depraved of common sence of kinship you will know.

[Karlone123]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

 you can always remake the geth after Destroy, so no harm no foul.

That's the way I look at it, it's very harsh as a piece of equipment should be treated with care, but in the end, they can be rebuilt.

What you rebuild won't be the same as the original. Look at CloneShep, or the Geth VI. If Geth reconstructed post-Destroy are anything like the VI... better that they stayed dead.

I agree, creating A.Is for the purpose of servitude or scientific advancement is completely unethical, as people start to sympathise for "Synthetic slaves" and side with them by wiping out the Quarians.

[tevix]

Ok, you guys make some very convincing points. I honestly can't come up with a rebuttal that's not BS and ends up sounding like a troll so...

You win.

I will NOT, however, resign my hatred for the quarian admiralty board.

[G Kevin]

tevix wrote...

I will NOT, however, resign my hatred for the quarian admiralty board.

Honestly at this point, I think we can agree that the admiralty board made some pretty bad decisions.

[rrtda]

The 1st time I played the game I couldn't make peace and I chose the geth. I can't see any why I would pick the genocidal Quarians over the geth

[Xilizhra]

Ultimately, it's irrelevant. Any Shepard who fails the peace process is too ridiculous for me to consider playing. Peace is the only viable option, everything else is a black hole of wrong; you either commit genocide directly or facilitate it, and either way, you're a complete ****up.

[G Kevin]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ultimately, it's irrelevant. Any Shepard who fails the peace process is too ridiculous for me to consider playing. Peace is the only viable option, everything else is a black hole of wrong; you either commit genocide directly or facilitate it, and either way, you're a complete ****up.

Pretty much.

[N7 Drone]

I will always side with the Geth. Why? I have no problem with the QuarIans being wipe out but when I see the Geth being wipe out, I become sad. (That's also one of main reasons of why I never choose the destory ending. I always choose the sythesis ending.The best ending imo.)

[Reorte]

G Kevin wrote...

They were not at the same level of other organic species. The Reaper code made them so that they had individuality and actually became like other races. In other words, the Geth were a lesser life before the code.

They were different before the Reaper code. That doesn't mean "in other words the geth were a lesser life". Unfortunately the story tries to agree with you, which I find rather closed-minded. The "Making you more like us is automatically better!" message is unpleasant (and also scuppers one of the few genuinely alien yet convincing minds that science fiction has managed to come up with).

[xAmilli0n]

I'd side with the Quarians every time.  Sorry Legion, sorry Geth.

Xilizhra wrote...

Ultimately, it's irrelevant. Any Shepard who fails the peace process is too ridiculous for me to consider playing. Peace is the only viable option, everything else is a black hole of wrong; you either commit genocide directly or facilitate it, and either way, you're a complete ****up.

Or, you know, you could give up or kill Legion simply to add drama.  Peace is fine, but it lacks...weight? Consequence?  I leave it to happy playthrough, but thats it.

[Artifex_Imperius]

N7 Drone wrote...

I will always side with the Geth. Why? I have no problem with the QuarIans being wipe out but when I see the Geth being wipe out, I become sad. (That's also one of main reasons of why I never choose the destory ending. I always choose the sythesis ending.The best ending imo.)

so you choose synthesis and death? to save the geth? and remove freedom  of choice from countless of organics?

do you even want your shepard to live?

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 18 mars 2013 - 01:44 .

[G Kevin]

Reorte wrote...

They were different before the Reaper code. That doesn't mean "in other words the geth were a lesser life". Unfortunately the story tries to agree with you, which I find rather closed-minded. The "Making you more like us is automatically better!" message is unpleasant (and also scuppers one of the few genuinely alien yet convincing minds that science fiction has managed to come up with).

That's what the information from the story leads me to believe. All the reaper code does is speed up the Geth processes, thus making them more intelligent and attain a higher sentience. Thus having individuality and being more like other organics species.

So if they are made more intelligent after, they must be less intelligent before.

Modifié par G Kevin, 18 mars 2013 - 01:45 .

[Su37]

Quarians. A biological species is not so easily replaced, no?

[Reorte]

G Kevin wrote...

Reorte wrote...

They were different before the Reaper code. That doesn't mean "in other words the geth were a lesser life". Unfortunately the story tries to agree with you, which I find rather closed-minded. The "Making you more like us is automatically better!" message is unpleasant (and also scuppers one of the few genuinely alien yet convincing minds that science fiction has managed to come up with).

That's what the information from the story leads me to believe. All the reaper code does is speed up the Geth processes, thus making them more intelligent and attain a higher sentience. Thus having individuality and being more like other organics species.

So if they are made more intelligent after, they must be less intelligent before.

The level of intelligence doesn't determine whether one form of life is lesser than another. There was very definitely a message of "being more like us is an improvement", irrespective of the intelligence change.