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The Geth.
Ignoring all other history, the Quarian's attack on the Geth after the Reaper invasion demonstrates clearly that they're dangerous. Their leadership has some extraordinarily messed up priorities.
Even if I were to completely discard any notion that Geth are Sapient, and consider them equivalent to any pistol, the reality is that a pistol is infinitely more useful then a suicidally stupid ally.
*THE GREAT DEBATE* - NO PEACE obtainable between the Geth & Quarians: Who would you choose and Why? (Pic of BioWare Stats Inside)
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Da Don Giovanni
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#27
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:34
Teddie Sage
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Nope. I always give the priority to the organics first. Synthetics can be rebuilt.
#28
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:38
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dafuq?chmarr wrote...
i would rather pick the quarians, that way joker can keep his sexbot and sherard can keep his wrapped up BIOLOGICAL sterile sextoy
#29
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:40
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Precisely, I stand by my fellow organic life forms. Geth can easily be rebuilt while Quarians cannot.ForThessia wrote...
No, I would never choose a bunch of tin-cans over people.Da Don Giovanni wrote...
ForThessia wrote...
No.
No. NO WHAT?!?!??!?!?
LOL
The Cylons go to go!
#30
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:41
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except the geth SHOULDN'T be rebuiltelitecom wrote...
Precisely, I stand by my fellow organic life forms. Geth can easily be rebuilt while Quarians cannot.ForThessia wrote...
No, I would never choose a bunch of tin-cans over people.Da Don Giovanni wrote...
ForThessia wrote...
No.
No. NO WHAT?!?!??!?!?
LOL
The Cylons go to go!
#31
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:43
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Right. Organics can't be rebuilt. I mean, it's not like that was a rather major plot point in this series.
Сообщение изменено: Phatose, 16 Март 2013 - 11:43 .
#32
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:43
crimzontearz
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why not? Just properly shackle themIntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
except the geth SHOULDN'T be rebuiltelitecom wrote...
Precisely, I stand by my fellow organic life forms. Geth can easily be rebuilt while Quarians cannot.ForThessia wrote...
No, I would never choose a bunch of tin-cans over people.Da Don Giovanni wrote...
ForThessia wrote...
No.
No. NO WHAT?!?!??!?!?
LOL
The Cylons go to go!
#33
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:43
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Phatose wrote...
The Geth.
Ignoring all other history, the Quarian's attack on the Geth after the Reaper invasion demonstrates clearly that they're dangerous. Their leadership has some extraordinarily messed up priorities.
Even if I were to completely discard any notion that Geth are Sapient, and consider them equivalent to any pistol, the reality is that a pistol is infinitely more useful then a suicidally stupid ally.
I agree with this 100%.
#34
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:45
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The Geth will be more useful to me.
#35
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:50
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crimzontearz wrote...
why not? Just properly shackle themIntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
except the geth SHOULDN'T be rebuiltelitecom wrote...
Precisely, I stand by my fellow organic life forms. Geth can easily be rebuilt while Quarians cannot.ForThessia wrote...
No, I would never choose a bunch of tin-cans over people.Da Don Giovanni wrote...
ForThessia wrote...
No.
No. NO WHAT?!?!??!?!?
LOL
The Cylons go to go!
WAFFLES
#36
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:51
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I've been recently replaying the game with a friend, and she's been streaming it. One thing we've both been distraught over is how the quarian military (Gerrel and Xan) can do the terrible things they've done -- like outfitting civilian ships with guns, just to make them glass cannon targets for the controlled geth.
Moreover, the geth were building a megastructure so they could leave Rannoch peacefully. One which Legion tells us had no defences, so when the quarian military carpet bombed it for no good reason, they lost a lot of programs.
However! Admiral Koris has always been a man of peace, and the quarian civilians never wanted war. They were forced into it by the madness of Gerrel and Xan. And I can't and won't hold the quarians responsible for the actions of an insane military, that would be unethical since they were strongarmed into it. I wouldn't mind betting that Gerrel would turn his guns on the liveships to expunge the traitors if they hadn't agreed.
So the only truly abhorrent group is the quarian military. Not the quarian civilians or the geth. As such, I cannot be so black and white, I wouldn't be able to make the call between the quarians and the geth. If, however, I had to sacrifice the quarian military to save the quarian civilians and the geth? Then yes, that call I could make.
Moreover, the geth were building a megastructure so they could leave Rannoch peacefully. One which Legion tells us had no defences, so when the quarian military carpet bombed it for no good reason, they lost a lot of programs.
However! Admiral Koris has always been a man of peace, and the quarian civilians never wanted war. They were forced into it by the madness of Gerrel and Xan. And I can't and won't hold the quarians responsible for the actions of an insane military, that would be unethical since they were strongarmed into it. I wouldn't mind betting that Gerrel would turn his guns on the liveships to expunge the traitors if they hadn't agreed.
So the only truly abhorrent group is the quarian military. Not the quarian civilians or the geth. As such, I cannot be so black and white, I wouldn't be able to make the call between the quarians and the geth. If, however, I had to sacrifice the quarian military to save the quarian civilians and the geth? Then yes, that call I could make.
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Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:52
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I used to think I would pick the geth, but after replaying the mission and feeling so completely railroaded by the bad writing... If I didn't have a third option and a lot of headcanon I would have to pick the quarians.
The quarians were wrong in what they did, but if my option is to kill the geth or allow them to upgrade to dubious Reaper code, then I'm going to mercy kill them. I'm sorry, geth, but you went against your word. I won't let the Old Machines dictate your future.
I resent writing that took a curious and unique form of life that was recognized for two games as AI and says that unless they lose their special, communal way of existence and upgrade to anthropomorphic individualism, they can't be 'true AI'. Forget that.
The quarians were wrong in what they did, but if my option is to kill the geth or allow them to upgrade to dubious Reaper code, then I'm going to mercy kill them. I'm sorry, geth, but you went against your word. I won't let the Old Machines dictate your future.
I resent writing that took a curious and unique form of life that was recognized for two games as AI and says that unless they lose their special, communal way of existence and upgrade to anthropomorphic individualism, they can't be 'true AI'. Forget that.
#38
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:53
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With both at max strength the Quarians are 10 points in more war assets.
#39
Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:55
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I have playthroughs for both outcomes, but wiping out the Geth was harder for me because the Quarians were the aggressors.
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Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:55
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It's a tough call, as both have their pros and cons.
The quarians tried to asassinate a sentient life form they created simply because it asked questions. It wasn't even rebelling, it would go back to work. Just wanted answers.
The quarians have made pretty much no effort to initiate and kind of communication with the geth. They refuse to accept their own genocide. They don't even say it was an act of self defense, they just say the geth tried to kill them.
The quarians are a disparate group with far too many opinions and far too few leaders speaking up. They are afraid to speak up against something for fear of starting a conflict, but where does that get them? Into a war no one wanted.
The quarians still operate under military law. That means they are ruled by aged high rankning military blowhards with god complexes. That creates the most unreliable, untrustworthy, unpredictable "ally" possible.
The quarians thought starting a war with the geth during a reaper invasion was a good idea. There are no non-combatants during this time. There are no safe worlds. Everywhere is a reaper target. This is a stupid idea.
The geth made basically no effort to initiate communication with the quarians.
The geth swore they would never accept any reaper tech or advancements. They broke this promise by allying with the reapers to save themselves from the quarians. They knew that after elminating the quarians they would be used against other organics, even friendly ones. They deemed that acceptable. I deem that unacceptable. They also used the reaper code to upgrade themselves, which they said they would never do. If they can lie about something this important and become the heretics they so despise, they cannot be trusted.
Frankly, I end up not liking either one of them.
The quarians tried to asassinate a sentient life form they created simply because it asked questions. It wasn't even rebelling, it would go back to work. Just wanted answers.
The quarians have made pretty much no effort to initiate and kind of communication with the geth. They refuse to accept their own genocide. They don't even say it was an act of self defense, they just say the geth tried to kill them.
The quarians are a disparate group with far too many opinions and far too few leaders speaking up. They are afraid to speak up against something for fear of starting a conflict, but where does that get them? Into a war no one wanted.
The quarians still operate under military law. That means they are ruled by aged high rankning military blowhards with god complexes. That creates the most unreliable, untrustworthy, unpredictable "ally" possible.
The quarians thought starting a war with the geth during a reaper invasion was a good idea. There are no non-combatants during this time. There are no safe worlds. Everywhere is a reaper target. This is a stupid idea.
The geth made basically no effort to initiate communication with the quarians.
The geth swore they would never accept any reaper tech or advancements. They broke this promise by allying with the reapers to save themselves from the quarians. They knew that after elminating the quarians they would be used against other organics, even friendly ones. They deemed that acceptable. I deem that unacceptable. They also used the reaper code to upgrade themselves, which they said they would never do. If they can lie about something this important and become the heretics they so despise, they cannot be trusted.
Frankly, I end up not liking either one of them.
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Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:58
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I'd probably go with the Quarians.
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Опубликовано 16 Март 2013 - 11:58
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Based on ME3...the quarians.
Legion lies to you (well, not outright lies, but doesn't tell you everything) twice during Priority Rannoch. 1st with the primes and the second when you're about to land on Rannoch during the final mission.
There's also the fact that the geth jumped in bed with the reapers...sure the quarians were attacking them, but the rest of the galaxy had left the geth alone and hadn't done anything to them (in fact, the rest of the galaxy had tried to insure the quarians wouldn't attack the geth).
What does the rest of the galaxy get for leaving them alone? Death.
Legion lies to you (well, not outright lies, but doesn't tell you everything) twice during Priority Rannoch. 1st with the primes and the second when you're about to land on Rannoch during the final mission.
There's also the fact that the geth jumped in bed with the reapers...sure the quarians were attacking them, but the rest of the galaxy had left the geth alone and hadn't done anything to them (in fact, the rest of the galaxy had tried to insure the quarians wouldn't attack the geth).
What does the rest of the galaxy get for leaving them alone? Death.
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Опубликовано 17 Март 2013 - 12:01
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That's a toughie. Given no peace option, I'm not sure I could make that choice.
Sure I choose destroy and by EAware's definition of the ending I'm essentially choosing the Quarrians. However I feel that the Geth would be willing to sacrifice themselves to destroy the Old Machines for EVERYONE'S sake, and I'm not so sure they'd be willing to die for just the Creators sake.
Am I assuming here? Absolutely, but that's how I see it in my opinion.
Sure I choose destroy and by EAware's definition of the ending I'm essentially choosing the Quarrians. However I feel that the Geth would be willing to sacrifice themselves to destroy the Old Machines for EVERYONE'S sake, and I'm not so sure they'd be willing to die for just the Creators sake.
Am I assuming here? Absolutely, but that's how I see it in my opinion.
#46
Опубликовано 17 Март 2013 - 12:02
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Actually, the construction of the megastrcuture would have rendered the geth completely incapable of ever leaving Rannoch, right? After all, the megastructure was a dyson sphere, which is an imobile construct, unless you can move stars.Auld Wulf wrote...
I've been recently replaying the game with a friend, and she's been streaming it. One thing we've both been distraught over is how the quarian military (Gerrel and Xan) can do the terrible things they've done -- like outfitting civilian ships with guns, just to make them glass cannon targets for the controlled geth.
Moreover, the geth were building a megastructure so they could leave Rannoch peacefully. One which Legion tells us had no defences, so when the quarian military carpet bombed it for no good reason, they lost a lot of programs.
However! Admiral Koris has always been a man of peace, and the quarian civilians never wanted war. They were forced into it by the madness of Gerrel and Xan. And I can't and won't hold the quarians responsible for the actions of an insane military, that would be unethical since they were strongarmed into it. I wouldn't mind betting that Gerrel would turn his guns on the liveships to expunge the traitors if they hadn't agreed.
So the only truly abhorrent group is the quarian military. Not the quarian civilians or the geth. As such, I cannot be so black and white, I wouldn't be able to make the call between the quarians and the geth. If, however, I had to sacrifice the quarian military to save the quarian civilians and the geth? Then yes, that call I could make.
And if they intended to resist the Reapers at any point, they would have needed to arm the Liveships regardless, wouldn't they?
And even though it was born of desperation, I'd hardly call what Gerrel did madness. Xen's sociopathic ideals regarding Synthetic life, certinly, but Han'Gerrel was doing what he thought was nessessary to save his people. Desperation drove them to attack the quarians - the same desperation that had drove the geth to initiate their original rebellion in the Morning War.
Just like desperation to live drove the geth to side with the Reapers, desperation to survive the Harvest was what drove the quarians to attack the geth and try gettin their world back.
And from what I've seen, quarian lives are the utmost priority to Gerrel, as he risks sacrificing the life of Shepard to keep them safe in his assault on the Dreadnought, to take it out of the game.
#47
Опубликовано 17 Март 2013 - 12:03
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The Quarians.
Not because I like them more, but because the Geth VI or Legion is holding back their support of the alliance and the lives of the Quarian fleet on the condition that I allow the entire Geth nation to be upgraded with Reaper code.
This isn't something I would have permitted any other nation. We're appalled that Cerberus is doing it to their soldiers, for example. If I would have had my choice in Mass Effect 2, I would have shut EDI down the moment I learned that she was developed partially with tech from Sovereign.
I would gladly negotiate with and accept the help of the gestalt intelligence Geth. Whatever the Geth become after the Reaper code is uploaded, they are no longer the species I was interacting with in Mass Effect 2.
So much of what happens after the Reaper Code is uploaded is left deliberately and frustratingly vague. Legion says that every Geth "unit" would be a true intelligence...but is he referring to every Geth runtime, of which he was made up of 1183? Is he referring to every Geth platform, meaning the total runtimes necessary to run a mobile platform? Does he mean every Geth platform currently in operation? Post-upload when peace is brokered, Tali makes mention of Geth uploading into Quarian livesuits...but what exactly is uploading?
The writers left all of that unanswered, and I fear they actually don't know or if they do, they didn't consider all the ramifications of it beyond it as a plot point. Regardless, it leaves me as Shepard in a position where for me to get Geth help, I have to allow the entire species to use Reaper code upgrades and I honestly have no idea what that is going to do, and I'm certainly not going to risk it in the middle of a conflict with the Reapers themselves when the Geth (both the Heretics and the true Geth) have worked with the Reapers in the past.
Not because I like them more, but because the Geth VI or Legion is holding back their support of the alliance and the lives of the Quarian fleet on the condition that I allow the entire Geth nation to be upgraded with Reaper code.
This isn't something I would have permitted any other nation. We're appalled that Cerberus is doing it to their soldiers, for example. If I would have had my choice in Mass Effect 2, I would have shut EDI down the moment I learned that she was developed partially with tech from Sovereign.
I would gladly negotiate with and accept the help of the gestalt intelligence Geth. Whatever the Geth become after the Reaper code is uploaded, they are no longer the species I was interacting with in Mass Effect 2.
So much of what happens after the Reaper Code is uploaded is left deliberately and frustratingly vague. Legion says that every Geth "unit" would be a true intelligence...but is he referring to every Geth runtime, of which he was made up of 1183? Is he referring to every Geth platform, meaning the total runtimes necessary to run a mobile platform? Does he mean every Geth platform currently in operation? Post-upload when peace is brokered, Tali makes mention of Geth uploading into Quarian livesuits...but what exactly is uploading?
The writers left all of that unanswered, and I fear they actually don't know or if they do, they didn't consider all the ramifications of it beyond it as a plot point. Regardless, it leaves me as Shepard in a position where for me to get Geth help, I have to allow the entire species to use Reaper code upgrades and I honestly have no idea what that is going to do, and I'm certainly not going to risk it in the middle of a conflict with the Reapers themselves when the Geth (both the Heretics and the true Geth) have worked with the Reapers in the past.
Сообщение изменено: Arisugawa, 17 Март 2013 - 12:04 .
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Опубликовано 17 Март 2013 - 12:04
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I'd destroy the suit-rats 100% of the time.
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Опубликовано 17 Март 2013 - 12:07
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Some people seem to be really unforgiving of the quarians. It was their leaders that made the wrong decisions, not the race as a whole. I thought that was made pretty apparent.
The geth haven't exactly played nice either.
The geth haven't exactly played nice either.
Сообщение изменено: Only-Twin, 17 Март 2013 - 12:07 .
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Опубликовано 17 Март 2013 - 12:09
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@Silverexile17s
You think gerrel is concerned only with the safety of his people?
He armed his most fragile, most life-sustaining ships (filled with non-combatants) simply for war with the geth. He also justified in ME2 the war by needing a place to harbor their non-combatants.
Which is it Gerrel? They are either combatants or they aren't. He makes the combatants to give them a place to be non-combatants? Military logic at its finest.
Gerrel only stands down in the peace option because he is overridden by the other admirals. If you choose to save only the geth, he charges mindlessly into the geth hoard and refuses to allow a retreat. He knows he can't win.
He knows the reapers won't leave rannoch alone. So sending his "non-combatants" there will do no good.
He doesn't care about civilians. He is a military blowhard with a god complex. He only cares about getting his way because he thinks he rules the universe because he's an admiral.
I effing hate military leaders like him.
You think gerrel is concerned only with the safety of his people?
He armed his most fragile, most life-sustaining ships (filled with non-combatants) simply for war with the geth. He also justified in ME2 the war by needing a place to harbor their non-combatants.
Which is it Gerrel? They are either combatants or they aren't. He makes the combatants to give them a place to be non-combatants? Military logic at its finest.
Gerrel only stands down in the peace option because he is overridden by the other admirals. If you choose to save only the geth, he charges mindlessly into the geth hoard and refuses to allow a retreat. He knows he can't win.
He knows the reapers won't leave rannoch alone. So sending his "non-combatants" there will do no good.
He doesn't care about civilians. He is a military blowhard with a god complex. He only cares about getting his way because he thinks he rules the universe because he's an admiral.
I effing hate military leaders like him.
