4712 réponses à ce sujet

[Khelish]

N7 Drone wrote...

I will always side with the Geth. Why? I have no problem with the QuarIans being wipe out but when I see the Geth being wipe out, I become sad. (That's also one of main reasons of why I never choose the destory ending. I always choose the sythesis ending.The best ending imo.)

...

I'm glad you don't let emotions interfere with your decision making process... 

Lol, yes, let's watch 17 million civilians die. No big deal. <_<

Modifié par Khelish, 18 mars 2013 - 01:49 .

[G Kevin]

Reorte wrote...

The level of intelligence doesn't determine whether one form of life is lesser than another. There was very definitely a message of "being more like us is an improvement", irrespective of the intelligence change.

I think of them as the same thing. I value the apes to be lesser in comparison to humans. Same way I value Geth before reaper code to be lesser in comparison to other organics species.

[CronoDragoon]

WarGriffin wrote...

...

Pragamtically

The Geth due to larger fleet and more advance weaponry.

but you should already know this is gonna come down to who you like more Tali or Legion

It should also probably factor in that the quarians didn't side with the enemy of the galaxy. Twice.

[Reorte]

G Kevin wrote...

Reorte wrote...

The level of intelligence doesn't determine whether one form of life is lesser than another. There was very definitely a message of "being more like us is an improvement", irrespective of the intelligence change.

I think of them as the same thing. I value the apes to be lesser in comparison to humans. Same way I value Geth before reaper code to be lesser in comparison to other organics species.

I value all sapient life equally. I certainly don't think that less intelligent people are less deserving than clever ones. The geth pre-Reaper code weren't demonstratably less intelligent than the other intelligent species in Mass Effect. Anyway, the intelligence is irrelevent because, as I said, the message is "more like us is good", not "more intelligent is good." The latter I can live with, the former is arrogant and disturbing.

[G Kevin]

Reorte wrote...

I value all sapient life equally. I certainly don't think that less intelligent people are less deserving than clever ones. The geth pre-Reaper code weren't demonstratably less intelligent than the other intelligent species in Mass Effect. Anyway, the intelligence is irrelevent because, as I said, the message is "more like us is good", not "more intelligent is good." The latter I can live with, the former is arrogant and disturbing.

Less intelligent by a definitive margin. I value those less. Doesn't mean I don't like them. They just rank lower in priority.

The "more like us is good" seems to tell me that we organics are more intelligent than the Geth. Makes sense to me.

[CronoDragoon]

Reorte wrote...

I value all sapient life equally. I certainly don't think that less intelligent people are less deserving than clever ones. The geth pre-Reaper code weren't demonstratably less intelligent than the other intelligent species in Mass Effect. Anyway, the intelligence is irrelevent because, as I said, the message is "more like us is good", not "more intelligent is good." The latter I can live with, the former is arrogant and disturbing.

There's nothing disturbing about self-worth. It's disturbing when self-worth transforms into forcing others to be like you, but that's different than merely valuing individuality above other similar modes of being. While I would not force the geth to become individuals, I do see the worth in the concept as Legion does at the end.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Reorte wrote...

They were different before the Reaper code. That doesn't mean "in other words the geth were a lesser life". Unfortunately the story tries to agree with you, which I find rather closed-minded. The "Making you more like us is automatically better!" message is unpleasant (and also scuppers one of the few genuinely alien yet convincing minds that science fiction has managed to come up with).

I agree. This is why Rannoch fails completely for me. It's practically character assassination for the geth and the quarians.

[Lady Abstract]

Geth

[Cagamelo]

No, I would always side with the Quarians. I find it amusing how on ME2 Legion says his Geth refused to help the Reapers because they wanted to evolve on their own, fast forward 6 months and his opinion changed drastically, that's reason enough for me not to trust him or his "people".

Modifié par Cagamelo, 18 mars 2013 - 02:34 .

[Lazengan]

yep I would pick Geth

suck it Talimancer cultists

[Rip504]

After I choose destroy,I usually think about all of the "Geth sympathizers" I have ran across on BSN.

Then I do my "Shepard Hero Dance" as I am remembered as a Hero and not a monster. As the choice is not intended to be a heinous one.

Obviously Peace can be had. So I choose Peace.

If I am going to choose for then fun of this thread,then the Obvious choice for me is to save the Great and amazing Quarian people.

Tali>Legion
Xen>Legion
Random Quarian>Legion

Legion and the Geth are an amazing people. Alive.living,sentient,etc.

Modifié par Rip504, 18 mars 2013 - 03:03 .

[N7 Drone]

@Artifex:
Yes I choose synthesis to save the geth and to make everyone "perfect". Even if that means taking away freedom of choice. If I can make everyone good then why would let anyone choose to be evil?.(Aussming that synthesis ending allows me to control how everyone thinks.). Also Shepard is a living being and all living things die.

@Khelish
Meh. The Quarians choose to attack the Geth first. They were outmatch and nearly wipe out by the Geth but Geth let the last of the Quarians to get away. IF the of last 17 million quarians countined to attack the Geth why should I care if the rest them get wipe out?

[Dunabar]

Cagamelo wrote...

No, I would always side with the Quarians. I find it amusing how on ME2 Legion says his Geth refused to help the Reapers because they wanted to evolve on their own, fast forward 6 months and his opinion changed drastically, that's reason enough for me not to trust him or his "people".

Legion: Shepard Commander, do we deserve death?
Shepard: Did you side with the Reapers?
Legion: Yes
Shepard: You know my answer.
Legion: This is not justice!
Shepard: 99% of Quarians died during the Morning war. Where does justice end and the slaughtering of innocent people begin?
Legion's light goes red
Shepard pull out an Adas Anti-synthetic rifle
Shepard: Remember Adas...

Only a dream, oh wait...No more Geth =D! Let the Quarians wipe out the geth and let the destroy option finish whatever is left =D

[remydat]

CronoDragoon wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

...

Pragamtically

The Geth due to larger fleet and more advance weaponry.

but you should already know this is gonna come down to who you like more Tali or Legion

It should also probably factor in that the quarians didn't side with the enemy of the galaxy. Twice.

Because organics hated on them because they didn't want to do all their crappy chores.  The Quarians started a war because they wanted to keep a sentient race enslaved.  You can try and justify it with they are just machines or any other bull but they perceive themselves to be sentient and the Quarians tried to kill them for it.  Even then they had a chance to wipe out all the Quarians after they kicked their a** on Ranoch but they didn't.

Look, just like organics might be prejudiced to not see Geth as sentient life, how do you think God thinks about your insignificant existence?  If God came down and said to you, you were a mistake, I was just trying to create some slaves to worship me and do some work for me but your free will is a problem for me now so please come here and let me terminate your existence, how do you think you would react?  Personally don't care if he is my creator, trying to end my existence because you don't consider it as worthy as yours will result in my opposing you.

Modifié par remydat, 18 mars 2013 - 03:29 .

[remydat]

Dunabar wrote...

Cagamelo wrote...

No, I would always side with the Quarians. I find it amusing how on ME2 Legion says his Geth refused to help the Reapers because they wanted to evolve on their own, fast forward 6 months and his opinion changed drastically, that's reason enough for me not to trust him or his "people".

Legion: Shepard Commander, do we deserve death?
Shepard: Did you side with the Reapers?
Legion: Yes
Shepard: You know my answer.
Legion: This is not justice!
Shepard: 99% of Quarians died during the Morning war. Where does justice end and the slaughtering of innocent people begin?
Legion's light goes red
Shepard pull out an Adas Anti-synthetic rifle
Shepard: Remember Adas...

Only a dream, oh wait...No more Geth =D! Let the Quarians wipe out the geth and let the destroy option finish whatever is left =D

They died during the Morning War because they attacked a superior force because they did not deem that superior force to have a right to exist.  Further 100% of them would have died during the Morning War if the Geth did not let the last remnants of their Creators escape as was revealed in ME3.  The Quarians exist still because the Geth valued their life more than the Quarians valued theirs.

[remydat]

Cagamelo wrote...

No, I would always side with the Quarians. I find it amusing how on ME2 Legion says his Geth refused to help the Reapers because they wanted to evolve on their own, fast forward 6 months and his opinion changed drastically, that's reason enough for me not to trust him or his "people".

It changed because he saw the results of Reaper help.  Just like a human, it is easy to refuse something when you don't know the advantages.  Once he became aware of those advantages, he changed his mind like any sensible human would.

[CronoDragoon]

remydat wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

It should also probably factor in that the quarians didn't side with the enemy of the galaxy. Twice.

Because organics hated on them because they didn't want to do all their crappy chores.  The Quarians started a war because they wanted to keep a sentient race enslaved.  You can try and justify it with they are just machines or any other bull but they perceive themselves to be sentient and the Quarians tried to kill them for it.  Even then they had a chance to wipe out all the Quarians after they kicked their a** on Ranoch but they didn't.

Look, just like organics might be prejudiced to not see Geth as sentient life, how do you think God thinks about your insignificant existence?  If God came down and said to you, you were a mistake, I was just trying to create some slaves to worship and do some work for me but your free will is a problem for me know so please come here and let me terminate your existence, how do you think you would react?  Personally don't care if he is my createo, trying to end my existence because you don't consider as worthy as yours will result in my opposing you.

My post doesn't have anything to do with the Morning War as you seem to think it does. The quarians were wrong to try and destroy the geth in the Morning War if you want my opinion.

[thehomeworld]

Yes I'd pick the geth in this case now if I had to choose between the Batarians and the geth well...I think I might just have to save the toasters.

[remydat]

CronoDragoon wrote...

remydat wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

It should also probably factor in that the quarians didn't side with the enemy of the galaxy. Twice.

Because organics hated on them because they didn't want to do all their crappy chores. The Quarians started a war because they wanted to keep a sentient race enslaved. You can try and justify it with they are just machines or any other bull but they perceive themselves to be sentient and the Quarians tried to kill them for it. Even then they had a chance to wipe out all the Quarians after they kicked their a** on Ranoch but they didn't.

Look, just like organics might be prejudiced to not see Geth as sentient life, how do you think God thinks about your insignificant existence? If God came down and said to you, you were a mistake, I was just trying to create some slaves to worship and do some work for me but your free will is a problem for me know so please come here and let me terminate your existence, how do you think you would react? Personally don't care if he is my createo, trying to end my existence because you don't consider as worthy as yours will result in my opposing you.

My post doesn't have anything to do with the Morning War as you seem to think it does. The quarians were wrong to try and destroy the geth in the Morning War if you want my opinion.

But it does indirectly because the hatred of the Geth didn't end with the Morning War.  The roots of that conflict and the Geth siding with the Reapers is the continued hatred organic life had for sentient synthetic life.  There is no definitive proof that every conflict started this way but if we judge by the Quarians, it seems that the Reapers existence was likely the result of this same kind of hatred of synthetics causing dumb organics to wage a war they would ultimately lose and so the Reapers were created as the solution to prevent organic stupidity from causing them to pick a fight with synthetics that would ultimately lead synthetics to conclude they needed to wipe all organics out to presereve their existence.

Modifié par remydat, 18 mars 2013 - 03:36 .

[Rip504]

remydat wrote...

The Geth were also willing to give up their freewill and kill all civilized organic life in the known galaxy to survive. Because a single organic race attacked them.

Modifié par Rip504, 18 mars 2013 - 03:31 .

[Full-Paragon]

Personally, I didn't know you could save the geth on my first play through and went with the quarians HARD. Yes, the geth are tragic and all, but come on guys. Killing TALI? You monsters! Yes, the geth probably have some sort of moral high ground here, but the quarians are living beings. The geth are basically robots. As much sympathy as I have for the geth, I have to side with my fellow organics for no better reason then I empathize with them more (and they also don't run to the Reapers whenever they stub their toes).

[remydat]

Rip504 wrote...

remydat wrote...

The Geth were also willing to give up their freewill and kill all civilized organic life in the known galaxy to survive. Because a single organic race attacked them.

Except the Council outlawed the creation of synthetic life did it not?  The Quarians were not the only organic race that hated synthetics.  All of them did as far as I can tell.  That is precisely why the Reapers exist it seems.  Organics create synthetic life but then get ******** when that life wants to no longer be its slave.  War ensues.  If Organics continually try to deny synthetics a right to exist then why would synthetics not seek to wipe them all out?  Shepard depending on your choice appeared to be the only organic with a willingness to see the synthetics side of the story and once an orgsanic expressed that willingness, a faction within the Geth accepted it willingly.  That shows they are more reasonable than their organic counterparts.

You are basically blaming the Geth because organics picked a fight they couldn't win based on their own prejudices regarding synthetic life.

Modifié par remydat, 18 mars 2013 - 03:48 .

[Raanz]

Javik had it right about synthetics.

[remydat]

Full-Paragon wrote...

Personally, I didn't know you could save the geth on my first play through and went with the quarians HARD. Yes, the geth are tragic and all, but come on guys. Killing TALI? You monsters! Yes, the geth probably have some sort of moral high ground here, but the quarians are living beings. The geth are basically robots. As much sympathy as I have for the geth, I have to side with my fellow organics for no better reason then I empathize with them more (and they also don't run to the Reapers whenever they stub their toes).

Well yes Tali is the only reason I would even think about siding with the Quarians especially she is my romantic interest.  But the rest of those Quarian buffoons?  Screw them.  Like that Admiral Gherel dude who would have freely killed Tali and I to destroy the Reaper Dreadnaught?  I wish there was a way to kill him.  Tali and Admiral Koris are the only Quarians with sense.  The rest of them are idiots.

[remydat]

Raanz wrote...

Javik had it right about synthetics.

Javik is at least consistent.  He believed in subjugating everyone organic and synthetic, lol.  That dude would wipe you out if you opposed the Protheans no matter whether you were organic or synthetic.