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[RogueBot]

The quarians are a bunch of mule-headed screwups.

Lucky for them, we humans love saving endangered species who would otherwise go extinct.

[NCommand]

When talking about judging a species for the actions of their individuals, shouldn't it be mentioned that the Geth Consensus sided with the Reapers?

[AcidwireX]

No way.

Hell, I wish there was a way to refuse the Geth their Reaper Code to begin with.

[Phatose]

NCommand wrote...

When talking about judging a species for the actions of their individuals, shouldn't it be mentioned that the Geth Consensus sided with the Reapers?

Yes, they sided with the Reapers.  While the Quarians were actively exterminating their entire race.  Who was going to come to their rescue?  The council species?

It was that or be exterminated.  Just like it always is with the Quarians.  Choose to save them in game, kill Legion, making sure that Reaper code isn't ever going to be uploaded, and the Geth are no longer a threat.   And then watch the Quarian fleet stop firing on the now helpless and defeated Geth....

Only, that's not what happens.  They exterminate every last one.

Let's not pretend like the Quarians were ever going to do anything other then annihilate the entire Geth species.  They go directly for genocide every time they think they might win. 

[tevix]

"Soldiers follow orders, is this news?"

This is the problem with quarians. They are run by (and I've said this multiple times now) military blowhards with god conflicts.

The entire quarian race is military, there is no such thing as a "non-combatant". No matter how far up the chain you go no one is willing to speak out, not even an admiral. The only one that does is laughed at while his supporters sit quietly in the corner.

Military doctrine makes me sick. Blindly following orders to your death even when everyone knows there's a better option makes for a lousy, unreliable, untrustworthy ally.

F--- the quarians and their military BS.

[tevix]

Military blowhards with god COMPLEXES**

not conflicts

[Phatose]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Why should denying them the Reaper code be some moral priority?  Last I checked, Shepard was remade using reaper tech, and now flies around the galaxy on ship enhanced with reaper tech, with guns based on reaper tech, fighting the reapers.

Irony is a reaper-tech based Cyborg telling a robot using reaper tech is too dangerous.

Shepard (and the player) has no choice in the matter. This is in fact the only time I get to decide whether or not my Shepard is complicit in the use of dangerous enemy tech known to corrupt and manipulate its users and I'm darned well going to take the option.

Shepard once said s/he would not let fear compromise the soul of humanity. In allying with the Reapers, the geth have done so to themselves. In my Shepard's opinion, Legion is destroying everything he once stood for by uploading that code; a future created for themselves, free of the influence of the Old Machines.

So, who died in your playthrough in ME2 because you didn't have the reaper-tech based Thanix cannon?

[tonofluck21]

Isn't there already a thread about people arguing about choosing between the Geth and Quarians right now? Do we really need another?

[NCommand]

Phatose wrote...

NCommand wrote...

When talking about judging a species for the actions of their individuals, shouldn't it be mentioned that the Geth Consensus sided with the Reapers?

Yes, they sided with the Reapers.  While the Quarians were actively exterminating their entire race.  Who was going to come to their rescue?  The council species?

It was that or be exterminated.  Just like it always is with the Quarians.  Choose to save them in game, kill Legion, making sure that Reaper code isn't ever going to be uploaded, and the Geth are no longer a threat.   And then watch the Quarian fleet stop firing on the now helpless and defeated Geth....

Only, that's not what happens.  They exterminate every last one.

Let's not pretend like the Quarians were ever going to do anything other then annihilate the entire Geth species.  They go directly for genocide every time they think they might win. 

I'm certain humanity would show no mercy to any machines that kill billions of them (was it ever specified how the Geth managed that? biological warfare?) and then forces them into exile, the Geth have no real need for Rannoch, and could have easily given the planet up to the Quarians and retreated when defeated, but instead they decided to side with the enemy of all organic life, even when that meant losing all free will

[RogueBot]

tonofluck21 wrote...

Isn't there already a thread about people arguing about choosing between the Geth and Quarians right now? Do we really need another?

It's a year after launch. There isn't much to talk about.

You could just skip over the topic, like I do with the thousands of "ending" threads.

[Steelcan]

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=_n5E7feJHw0

[Khelish]

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Quarians + Legion's Geth = Peace, if I am currently in a good mood at the time. Other than that, the Geth die for their crimes.

[Only-Twin]

I'm certain humanity would show no mercy to any machines that kill billions of them (was it ever specified how the Geth managed that? biological warfare?) and then forces them into exile

The point I was trying to make earlier. I understand the geth originally acted in defense, but it must have crossed the line at some point. You don't just wipe out billions of people in self defense.

[tonofluck21]

RogueBot wrote...

tonofluck21 wrote...

Isn't there already a thread about people arguing about choosing between the Geth and Quarians right now? Do we really need another?

It's a year after launch. There isn't much to talk about.

You could just skip over the topic, like I do with the thousands of "ending" threads.

Good Point

[tevix]

We don't know how many the geth killed exactly.

I do know when acting in self defense you defend yourself until you are safe. Duh. The quarians actions continue to show the geth are not safe when they are around. Thus they were driven to exile because they wouldn't stop attacking. Gerrel proves even when the geth aren't attacking the quarians will still attack them.

Would love to know what "crimes" the geth deserve to die for.

Also no humanity would show no mercy to any race that drove us from our home, even if it was our own fault. That's why I'm antisocial and don't talk to people much....because that's stupid.

"How dare you punch me when I pull a gun on you! I'll kill you!!!"

Psychopaths...all of them.

[Vespervin]

In my Renegade, anti-alien play-through my Shepard let the Geth kill the Quarians, then picked the destroy ending. Heh, two species down, few more to go. (Krogan were already dealt with)

But in my serious, canon play-through, I choose peace. There's no other option.

[Khelish]

tevix wrote...

We don't know how many the geth killed exactly.

Billions.

Would love to know what "crimes" the geth deserve to die for.

Allowing the Heretics to leave and worship Reapers, not attempting to make peace, killing the billions I mentioned, joining Reapers twice...

[phillip100]

Khelish wrote...

tevix wrote...

We don't know how many the geth killed exactly.

Billions.

Source?

[Khelish]

phillip100 wrote...

Khelish wrote...

tevix wrote...

We don't know how many the geth killed exactly.

Billions.

Source?

Wow...

Dextro pls...

Modifié par Khelish, 17 mars 2013 - 02:12 .

[NCommand]

tevix wrote...

We don't know how many the geth killed exactly.

I do know when acting in self defense you defend yourself until you are safe. Duh. The quarians actions continue to show the geth are not safe when they are around. Thus they were driven to exile because they wouldn't stop attacking. Gerrel proves even when the geth aren't attacking the quarians will still attack them.

Would love to know what "crimes" the geth deserve to die for.

Also no humanity would show no mercy to any race that drove us from our home, even if it was our own fault. That's why I'm antisocial and don't talk to people much....because that's stupid.

"How dare you punch me when I pull a gun on you! I'll kill you!!!"

Psychopaths...all of them.

Then again, the Morning war started because the Quarians were afraid what the Geth becoming self aware might cause, apparently losing their home, most of their people and their way of life is the answer

The Geth defended themselves when the Quarians tried to shut them down, but the Quairans were in return shutting them down because they were afraid what sentient machines can do, apparently reducing an extrasolar species to 17 million and aiding the reapers twice would be the answer

[G Kevin]

Quarians always.

I know more about the Quarians than I do the Geth and what little I know about the Geth is not something I trust.

[phillip100]

Khelish wrote...

phillip100 wrote...

Khelish wrote...

tevix wrote...

We don't know how many the geth killed exactly.

Billions.

Source?

Wow...

Dextro pls...

Honest question. I don't know where you got that from.

Modifié par phillip100, 18 mars 2013 - 12:21 .

[Steelcan]

Vespervin wrote...

In my Renegade, anti-alien play-through my Shepard let the Geth kill the Quarians, then picked the destroy ending. Heh, two species down, few more to go. (Krogan were already dealt with)

But in my serious, canon play-through, I choose peace. There's no other option.

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=WGRKNzlyQrU

[NCommand]

phillip100 wrote...

Khelish wrote...

tevix wrote...

We don't know how many the geth killed exactly.

Billions.

Source?

Logical guess, al homeworlds in the mass effect universe hold at least a billion people, and the Quarians had colonies in outlying systems, not to mention having a fleet large enough to evacuate millions, few citadel species has that capability

[Battlebloodmage]

Quarians are actually life-forms, regardless of how much EDI and the Geths try to emulate organics, they are simply not living beings. They are machines with programs to allow them to react to the outside interactions.