silverexile17s wrote...
[Yes. There. Is.
By showing us one incident, we are forced to take the word of the at face value. And, knowing your extreme prejudice, you would not believe the recording if it was quarian based, would you? You think a geth recording, from a server overrun with Reaper code, from a single viewpoint, showing one single death, in a door-breach situation where said death may have, in all likelyhood, been completely accidental, is proof that the quarians mass murdered everyone that disagreed with the order? You really think that 99% of the quarian race - at least 2.1 billion people - were caused ny the quarians themselves, even when everyone else, the geth included, openly admit that they caused the death? Or the fact that the protests took place before the Morning War, and thus, were completely seperate from the death toll of the War?
Just think about these pretenses with some bit of logic, will you? Stop being so condesending to him when you are the one that clearly isn't looking at this from a non-biased perspective.
Also, what?
"Why not? Our fleet is massive. We can support Shepard's fight against the Old Machines.... If the Creators no longer threaten us." - Geth V.I., Rannoch.
That statement right there. That is the Geth V.I. blatently and un-subtley suggesting that they can be more valuble then the quarians, and to sacrifice them for the geth. And it's done so callously and uncaringly of the quarian's lives.
And again, if Legion never returns to the geth, then all geth are like the V.I. - uncaring of organics, unless it furthers their own goals. They are remorsefull of their past, but won't bat an eyelash to helping others. It's like how sociopaths can regret the loss of life they take, but not the actual action the killing itself.
And AGAIN, they are branded as enemies of the free galaxy by the Council thanks to the Heretics, which the geth never claimed responcibility for until it was a problem for them. And again, it can be traced back to how the geth never bothered to communicate these feelings to the quarians and at least start a healing process.
And AGAIN, AS STATED MANY TIMES OVER, the quarians in their current state are a BURDEN to the turians and humans, because by lugging their civilians around with them, they would consume more resources then were avalible to give them, and be unable to tackle multiple fronts, and be unable to effectively manuver in battle as they would need to constantly huddle around the liveships, AND would suffer crippling blows to their race for every large ship that was lost.
To be of ANY help to the war effort, they would have had to suddenly and abruptly become completely self-sufficant. Not the survival-based day-to-day scavenger life they currently have. The only way to do that is to get a planet of their own. And Rannoch is the only world that is dextro-based that has breathable atmosphere that isn't lethel to them, and edible food that doesn't need to be made into oversterilized paste to eat, and untouched raw resources to use for their fleets.
So NO, the ONLY way they could be any helpfull part of the war is if they were self-sufficant again, and that's only possible if they reclaim their world. And because the geth are still branded as Reaper allies by the Council, attacking them actually WOULD be considered as aiding in the war effort. That only ever changes if the geth are saved/peace is achieved.
And AGAIN, the quarians had no choice, because they didn't want to bring the Council down on their heads. Their weren't in any position to defy them, so harsh scanctions or censorship would be devestating to their economy. Losing favor with the Council would have likely destroyed the quarian economy and plunged their entire sociaty into economic depression for who knows how many years it takes to get back into the good graces. Mr. 12D would be homeless and pennyless. And it would be even worse if the government admitted anything, as it gives legal grounds for lawsuits to be filed against them by the Council, devedtating them even further.
So YES, they had every reason to be afraid of the Council. It wasn't cowardly. Look at Mass Effect: Revelation, at how the Council chews out humanity for creating the Eliza A.I at Gagarain Station, and you'll understand that the ramafacations for an entire race of A.I.s would have been harsh.
And from the Heretics, present day quarians came to the conclusion that, based on what the Heretics (which are assumed to reperesent all geth) have done, that the geth are a threat to everything, and they are obligated to correct their mistake and end the geth.
NITHER time, it was unessesary. Circumstances drove them to desperation, as the alternitive was far worse from that viewpoint in time. You act like the quarians assumed this would happen to them. The many posts by me and DenyonSlayer detail why the quarians were forced into the choices they took, no differently then how the geth were forced into their deal with the Reapers. If you can sympathise with a race joing the Reapers, then surely you can sympathise with a race doing what it did to survive the Reapers.
And AGAIN, wrong. The fleet does nothing without the coberating opinoions of the Admiralty Board, and the Conclave - a quarian senete where every ship has a represenitive, and a say. And the war would not be possible, unless a majority of the Conclave agreed with the decision to go to war. So NO, they weren't oppresed. They chose to attack because it was the only way they could get a world and be able to be self-sufficant enough to aid the other races against the Reapers.
And you continue to ignore that it takes two to tango. Faults in BOTH organic and synthetic created the conflect. Thus far you have ignored over 40+ pages of information on the quarian's circumstances, mking your opinion diffinitively prejudiced since you blatently ignore cannon-backed information.
And did you listen to the Dalatrass. Calling the krogan ****s is basically exactally what they do verbatium, and humans too based on the reckless behavior they had pre-contact with opening every relay they saw. The turians did too, compairing them to krogan.
I don't have a prejudice against Quarians. Tali is usually my main love interest. I have a prejudice against people who incite hatred by attempting Genocide. So in Mass Effect that includes the Quarians and the Council. I know for a fact they are adult enough to hold them accountable for making horrific decisions. What I gather from the Geth is a bunch of domesticated units were forced into war and with no concept of the rules of war responded like a 1 year old kid in that situation would if they had the power to kill. And no the Quarians didn't mass murder everyone who disagreed. They murdered enough of them that the rest shut up and allowed the attempted genocide to continue. Maybe this wasn't made clear but I judge the Quarians more harshly because they are adults. I judge the Geth less harshly because they are equivalent to a scared child whose father murdered his mother and tried to then murder it. They had yet to learn concepts of morality and rules of war because the Quarians tried to murder them before they could. Translation, they did not yet have the capacity to understand the morality of their decisions. They did start to understand that at the end of the Morning War which is why they were reluctant to finish the job.
So you seem to be confusing the point. We all agree the Geth killed most of that 99%. I am saying the 99% by the time the Morning War started were considered enemies because either the majority of them supported the extermination of the Geth or the silent majority were too scared to resist. From the Geth perspective they killed them because they lacked the capacity to understand restraint and compassion at that point in time. You can't argue the Geth should have stopped the Heretics but then give the Quarians a pass for remaining silent while their government tried to exterminate a race. And don't respond with the bull that the Geth were not fully self aware yet. That is just semantics. The Quarians knew the Geth were on the path to self awareness and tried to snuff it out because they didn't want to man up and deal with their mistakes. So the difference here is the silent majority was willing to remain silent so that a group of beings who had done them no wrong and who had spent their entire lives serving them could be destroyed because their existence had become problematic. The silent majority of Geth were willing to remain silent while the Heretics waged war on races that wanted the extinction of the Geth as evidence by official Council policy. You are free to disagree with me but to pretend like people can't see the clear moral distinction there is silly.
Please explain to me how the Quarians can feed themselves and fight an effective war against the Geth but then magically would be a burden to the Turians or Humans. Where were they getting all the food and resources during their war with the Geth because it wasn't Rannoch.
And again, the Quarians had a choice. They could own up to their mistake, say they will not destroy a growing sentient race and face the consequences. That is called being a mature adult. It is a morally bankrupt excuse to say you had no choice in destroying a growing sentient race because you wanted to avoid economic sanctions or whatever else. All you are telling me is you valued your own selfish interests more than you valued the life of the Geth. That doesn't mean you had not choice. That just means you are a coward who tried to take the easy way out and the result is 99% of your people got killed. That's called Karma. It can be a b*tch.
So I think you are confused, I am not ignoring the reasons the Quarians did what they did. I am telling you their reasons don't excuse their actions. What kind of lesson would that be for a kid? Hey kid, if you screw up just eliminate anyone who could reveal your screw up so that you don't have to be held accountable for your actions, lol.
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(Though he'd rather not but he's not pikcing anything that keeps the Reapers alive). 
