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[RogueBot]

NCommand wrote...

Then again, the Morning war started because the Quarians were afraid what the Geth becoming self aware might cause, apparently losing their home, most of their people and their way of life is the answer

The Geth defended themselves when the Quarians tried to shut them down, but the Quairans were in return shutting them down because they were afraid what sentient machines can do, apparently reducing an extrasolar species to 17 million and aiding the reapers twice would be the answer

The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war Judgement Day.

The quarians were judged and found wanting.

[Khelish]

phillip100 wrote...

Honest question. I don't know where you got that from.

Sorry.

It is in the Codex. 

Quarian population is stated to be in Billions prior to Morning War.

After the year long war, their population was reduced to around 17 million. (Population stays the same due to population laws)

That gives us a 99% kill rate. Bravo Geth. Good job killing the average Quarian joe, that had nothing to do with your treatment...

[Slayer299]

With no choice for peace between them than that's easy...the Quarians and not the Geth who I feel no sympathy for in choosing between them.

The problem with this is that anyone new to the series will only see the Geth painted as 'fluffy bunnies of love, peace, innocence and happiness who were ruthlessly attacked by their overlords' by Bioware in ME3 and so anything they did against the Quarians was justified. So I can honestly see a lot of people killing off the Quarians unfortunately.

[Xilizhra]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Quarians are actually life-forms, regardless of how much EDI and the Geths try to emulate organics, they are simply not living beings. They are machines with programs to allow them to react to the outside interactions.

The format is irrelevant. Both are living beings. Also, I really thought better of you than that.

[tevix]

Even in ME1 you get the chance to call tali out on the quarians actions. She basically sidesteps the questions and provides "but...but they were attacking us!" cookie cutter answers.

Quarians found aiding the geth were disposed of by their own people.

We used the atomic bomb on japan twice.

TWICE.

Twice because we as america apparently felt that japan was too great a threat and even after a first harsh counterattack would still continue to attack us and pose a threat. So we attacked again.

If you feel the geth deserve deth for their agressive self-defense, please move to another country that did not atomically bomb the same country twice in a row in the name of self-defense.

[Only-Twin]

Their population isn't directly stated as far as I know, but the quarians had many colonies and an embassy. Plus they have been around far longer than humanity, so if humans number over 10 billion, the quarians must have been somewhere in that ballpark.

[tevix]

**Edit**

I know this is a global game and forum, my comment was directed at Americans.

If you're not from america but still believe the geth deserve death for defending themselves then we have clearly reached an impasse.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Quarians are actually life-forms, regardless of how much EDI and the Geths try to emulate organics, they are simply not living beings. They are machines with programs to allow them to react to the outside interactions.

The format is irrelevant. Both are living beings. Also, I really thought better of you than that.

. Advanced machine is still a machine. They are existing in a different sense than being "alive".

[Xilizhra]

See this. The only thing there the geth lack is cell growth, and that doesn't seem enough, to me, to relegate them to "toaster" status.

[Phatose]

Khelish wrote...

phillip100 wrote...

Honest question. I don't know where you got that from.

Sorry.

It is in the Codex. 

Quarian population is stated to be in Billions prior to Morning War.

After the year long war, their population was reduced to around 17 million. (Population stays the same due to population laws)

That gives us a 99% kill rate. Bravo Geth. Good job killing the average Quarian joe, that had nothing to do with your treatment...

Fair number of assumptions there.  And one very big problem.

The Geth stopped attacking when the Quarians left.  The Quarians clearly had the capability to lift 18 million people off the planet and evacuate them into a giant fleet.

Why did they not evacuate sooner?  Why wasn't that capability used to move Quarians off planet before the final evacuation?  Why are there no Quarians outside the migrant fleet?

Seems to me the answer is directly related to why there were only 18 million left.  Because there were no Quarian civilians.  None of them evacuated, no refugees.  All of them joined the war.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Quarians are actually life-forms, regardless of how much EDI and the Geths try to emulate organics, they are simply not living beings. They are machines with programs to allow them to react to the outside interactions.

The format is irrelevant. Both are living beings. Also, I really thought better of you than that.

. Advanced machine is still a machine. They are existing in a different sense than being "alive".

And we are equally nothing more than biological machines. Your standards are utterly arbitrary and seem based on mysticism.

[Khelish]

tevix wrote...

please move to another country that did not atomically bomb the same country twice in a row in the name of self-defense.

Uh...

Lol, and right there, you just lost all credibility... 

[Steelcan]

tevix wrote...

We used the atomic bomb on japan twice.

TWICE.

Twice because we as america apparently felt that japan was too great a threat and even after a first harsh counterattack would still continue to attack us and pose a threat. So we attacked again.

If you feel the geth deserve deth for their agressive self-defense, please move to another country that did not atomically bomb the same country twice in a row in the name of self-defense.

. You are the stupidest thing ever to post on this site.

The bombs were dropped to force a surrender.  Not a pre-emotive strike.  Japan was done for, the bombs were used to bring out the surrender so the projected 1 million Americans and 25 million Japanese wouldn't die.

[NCommand]

tevix wrote...

Even in ME1 you get the chance to call tali out on the quarians actions. She basically sidesteps the questions and provides "but...but they were attacking us!" cookie cutter answers.

Quarians found aiding the geth were disposed of by their own people.

We used the atomic bomb on japan twice.

TWICE.

Twice because we as america apparently felt that japan was too great a threat and even after a first harsh counterattack would still continue to attack us and pose a threat. So we attacked again.

If you feel the geth deserve deth for their agressive self-defense, please move to another country that did not atomically bomb the same country twice in a row in the name of self-defense.

Guessed it wouldn't be to long before dropping the atomic bombs would become part of the discussion, personally, if I had the choice between 200 000 dead from one attack or millions who would die from a conventional invasion or because of a blockade I would always go for the first

[Phatose]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Quarians are actually life-forms, regardless of how much EDI and the Geths try to emulate organics, they are simply not living beings. They are machines with programs to allow them to react to the outside interactions.

The format is irrelevant. Both are living beings. Also, I really thought better of you than that.

. Advanced machine is still a machine. They are existing in a different sense than being "alive".

An organic being IS a machine.  A complicated one, but fundamentally there is only one physics, and you're kidding yourself if you believe the matter in an organic being is somehow different then that in a toaster.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

tevix wrote...

We used the atomic bomb on japan twice.

TWICE.

Twice because we as america apparently felt that japan was too great a threat and even after a first harsh counterattack would still continue to attack us and pose a threat. So we attacked again.

If you feel the geth deserve deth for their agressive self-defense, please move to another country that did not atomically bomb the same country twice in a row in the name of self-defense.

. You are the stupidest thing ever to post on this site.

The bombs were dropped to force a surrender.  Not a pre-emotive strike.  Japan was done for, the bombs were used to bring out the surrender so the projected 1 million Americans and 25 million Japanese wouldn't die.

Erm, while the quarians certainly launched a preemptive strike, the geth never did.

[Ryzaki]

I chose the Geth.

Because honestly if the Quarians want to keep throwing themselves on a live grenade why am I constantly trying to drag em back?

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Quarians are actually life-forms, regardless of how much EDI and the Geths try to emulate organics, they are simply not living beings. They are machines with programs to allow them to react to the outside interactions.

The format is irrelevant. Both are living beings. Also, I really thought better of you than that.

. Advanced machine is still a machine. They are existing in a different sense than being "alive".

And we are equally nothing more than biological machines. Your standards are utterly arbitrary and seem based on mysticism.

. My stance is based on me not being able to understand machine life.  I can see that they are aware of themselves and their own existence, but I just can't call them 'living'

[Xilizhra]

. My stance is based on me not being able to understand machine life. I can see that they are aware of themselves and their own existence, but I just can't call them 'living'

Ah, genocide based on ignorance. Par for the course, I suspect, for Cerberus.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Erm, while the quarians certainly launched a preemptive strike, the geth never did.

. I'm not talking about quarians or geth, I'm talking about WW2

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

. My stance is based on me not being able to understand machine life. I can see that they are aware of themselves and their own existence, but I just can't call them 'living'

Ah, genocide based on ignorance. Par for the course, I suspect, for Cerberus.

. No it's not genocide or ignorance.  It's a military necessity so it's not genocide, and I'm not being ignorant of their existence, I just can't bring myself to call them the same as a human or turian or elcor etc...

[Steelcan]

Phatose wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Quarians are actually life-forms, regardless of how much EDI and the Geths try to emulate organics, they are simply not living beings. They are machines with programs to allow them to react to the outside interactions.

The format is irrelevant. Both are living beings. Also, I really thought better of you than that.

. Advanced machine is still a machine. They are existing in a different sense than being "alive".

An organic being IS a machine.  A complicated one, but fundamentally there is only one physics, and you're kidding yourself if you believe the matter in an organic being is somehow different then that in a toaster.

. You seem to have missed my entire point.

[Only-Twin]

Fair number of assumptions there. And one very big problem.

The Geth stopped attacking when the Quarians left. The Quarians clearly had the capability to lift 18 million people off the planet and evacuate them into a giant fleet.

Why did they not evacuate sooner? Why wasn't that capability used to move Quarians off planet before the final evacuation? Why are there no Quarians outside the migrant fleet?

Seems to me the answer is directly related to why there were only 18 million left. Because there were no Quarian civilians. None of them evacuated, no refugees. All of them joined the war.

The geth only stopped attacking because they couldn't be sure of the consequences of extinction.

You seem very unwilling to admit that the geth may have ever done anything wrong.

Modifié par Only-Twin, 17 mars 2013 - 02:34 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...
 You seem to have missed my entire point.

That depends on how you look at life. Can it think? Can it be? Can it suffer?

Is that not life?

[Phatose]

Steelcan wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Quarians are actually life-forms, regardless of how much EDI and the Geths try to emulate organics, they are simply not living beings. They are machines with programs to allow them to react to the outside interactions.

The format is irrelevant. Both are living beings. Also, I really thought better of you than that.

. Advanced machine is still a machine. They are existing in a different sense than being "alive".

An organic being IS a machine.  A complicated one, but fundamentally there is only one physics, and you're kidding yourself if you believe the matter in an organic being is somehow different then that in a toaster.

. You seem to have missed my entire point.

Well, what is your entire point?  What, precisely, is your definition of life?