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[remydat]

G Kevin wrote...

remydat wrote...

I am talking about post ME2 when Tali and Legion are squadmates.  The topic of peace does not seem to have been presented.  Hell, if you do Tali's loyalty mission with Legion, the Quarians point blank could have asked Legion if peace between them could be brokered.  Koris would likely be in favor but I suspect the rest of the Quarians would resist that idea which is my point.  Why?  Why go to war instead of try and have a dialogue now that Tali and Legion have a personal connection.

If you haven't do Tali's loyalty mission with Tali.  It screams missed opportunity for peace talks.

Why the Quarian people do nothing? Considering that the Geth have been pretty much likened to devils to the Quarian people, I can understand why none of them want to approach Legion.

Why did the Admirals not ask then and there? Probably because they didn't care about that at the time and saw Legion as just another Geth unit. ( I haven't actually played with Legion in Tali's Loyalty Mission)

In ME3, Korris gave his support to Shepard to engage in a ceasefire upon the Geth. He went against the rest of the Admirals.

Admiral Koris is a good dude that is why.  As I said previous, he and Tali and the Quarians like them are the ones I respect.  And I know why the Quarians are reluctant as well.  That doesn't mean it wasn't a missed opportunity.  To be fair, the Geth should be blamed for not making the offer as well.  The only difference is the Geth were not planning a war with the Geth so I judge them less harshly for not entering official peace talks.  To me if you know you are planning a war then it is on you to ask if you can peaceably move back to Rannoch first. 

[G Kevin]

remydat wrote...

And I already told you why the Geth did not help.  The Citadel is the seat of Council power.  The council law was that the Geth should not exist.  The Council law helped cause the morning war.  The Geth like any organic specie will not jump to help someone who thinks they should not exist.  Do you think as a black man if a KKK building is burning I will go rushing in and risk my life for KKK members?  Nope, not going to happen.  The Citadel and Council are the equivalent of the KKK for the Geth.  So guess what, screw them.

Geth have access to the extranet. They can communicate with the Council without ever having to set foot on the CItadel.

[Only-Twin]

G Kevin wrote...

Only-Twin wrote...

 52 pages now....

Just something to discuss and pass time I guess.

Gotta do something to procrastinate me from doing my Diff. Eq. H.W.

I'm just surprised this is still going. 

[Phatose]

G Kevin wrote...

remydat wrote...

And I already told you why the Geth did not help.  The Citadel is the seat of Council power.  The council law was that the Geth should not exist.  The Council law helped cause the morning war.  The Geth like any organic specie will not jump to help someone who thinks they should not exist.  Do you think as a black man if a KKK building is burning I will go rushing in and risk my life for KKK members?  Nope, not going to happen.  The Citadel and Council are the equivalent of the KKK for the Geth.  So guess what, screw them.

Geth have access to the extranet. They can communicate with the Council without ever having to set foot on the CItadel.

Somewhere out there, there's an image captioned "On the internet, no one knows you're a robot."

[G Kevin]

remydat wrote...

Admiral Koris is a good dude that is why.  As I said previous, he and Tali and the Quarians like them are the ones I respect.  And I know why the Quarians are reluctant as well.  That doesn't mean it wasn't a missed opportunity.  To be fair, the Geth should be blamed for not making the offer as well.  The only difference is the Geth were not planning a war with the Geth so I judge them less harshly for not entering official peace talks.  To me if you know you are planning a war then it is on you to ask if you can peaceably move back to Rannoch first. 

Peace takes time to achieve, that's why the Quarians attacked the Geth in the first place and they had invented a weapon that allowed them easy victory. The Reapers were coming and they need a place to stay. There wasn't enough time for any peaceful negotiations at that point. Since the rest of the Admirals outvoted Tali and Koris, there is nothing they could do anymore.

I think the Admirals were dumb but I can't hold the rest of the Quarians accountable because of them. That's just as unfair as outright killing the Geth off.

[Iamjdr]

Except maybe if the" true Geth" had shown up at the battle of the citadel to help stop the heretics and sovereign the who is to say the council wouldn't change there opinion about them. But they didn't, the Geth instead hide as there brother attempt to all the reapers in to destroy galactic civilization as we know it. All while confirming the galaxies worst fears about the Geth as sovereign and the heretics storm the citadel killing everyone in there path.

[tevix]

Did anyone ever call out Auld Wolf on the major flaw of his posts?

He was advocating peace, which is great. Except this thread is about what you'd do if that wasn't available.

He never said which. He just advocated peace while insulting everyone and questioning their ethics.

I'm not even going to bother with Remy. He just keeps trying to justify the geth's repeated attempts and allownace of genocide and murder.

[G Kevin]

Phatose wrote...

Somewhere out there, there's an image captioned "On the internet, no one knows you're a robot."

There are multiple ways of proving that you are Geth in the ME universe using the extranet. One is using those Holographic telephone thingies the council use to talk to you, or possibly using a QEC.

It's not like they had no options. If the Geth tried, well ok, but they didn't.

[Phatose]

G Kevin wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Somewhere out there, there's an image captioned "On the internet, no one knows you're a robot."

There are multiple ways of proving that you are Geth in the ME universe using the extranet. One is using those Holographic telephone thingies the council use to talk to you, or possibly using a QEC.

It's not like they had no options. If the Geth tried, well ok, but they didn't.

Could those be faked though, by say, a certain terrorist organization with an AI?

The geth certainly could've done more.  As could the Quarians, and all organics.  They didn't.  But the one who declared negotiations were over were the ones who attacked.

[remydat]

Iamjdr wrote...

Except maybe if the" true Geth" had shown up at the battle of the citadel to help stop the heretics and sovereign the who is to say the council wouldn't change there opinion about them. But they didn't, the Geth instead hide as there brother attempt to all the reapers in to destroy galactic civilization as we know it. All while confirming the galaxies worst fears about the Geth as sovereign and the heretics storm the citadel killing everyone in there path.

I think you are confused.  A victim of racism is under no obligation to prove to the racist his self worth.  It would be nice I suppose if they did but it is not required.  Racism and prejudice is inherently evil and it is up to the people who believe it to change not for me to force them to change.  My right to exist deserves to be recognized simply because I exist.  That is all.  Not because I have done something good for you.

Now you can come up with any rationale to try and convince me otherwise but sorry bro I am not changing my opinion.  I will never accept the belief that anybody has to justify they deserve to exist to a racist.  I forget who said it and this is meant as a joke but you done lost your d**n mind if you expect me to believe that.

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[Iamjdr]

And the ones who ceased the negotiations got attacked. That's usually how it works. If you don't wanna cooperate then what are they supposed to do? how many times should the quarians attempt peace before they are allowed attempt to reclaim there homeworld?

[remydat]

G Kevin wrote...

remydat wrote...

Admiral Koris is a good dude that is why.  As I said previous, he and Tali and the Quarians like them are the ones I respect.  And I know why the Quarians are reluctant as well.  That doesn't mean it wasn't a missed opportunity.  To be fair, the Geth should be blamed for not making the offer as well.  The only difference is the Geth were not planning a war with the Geth so I judge them less harshly for not entering official peace talks.  To me if you know you are planning a war then it is on you to ask if you can peaceably move back to Rannoch first. 

Peace takes time to achieve, that's why the Quarians attacked the Geth in the first place and they had invented a weapon that allowed them easy victory. The Reapers were coming and they need a place to stay. There wasn't enough time for any peaceful negotiations at that point. Since the rest of the Admirals outvoted Tali and Koris, there is nothing they could do anymore.

I think the Admirals were dumb but I can't hold the rest of the Quarians accountable because of them. That's just as unfair as outright killing the Geth off.

Fine if you believe they didn't have time.  I disagree.  The fight they are mobile makes it harder for the Reapers to find them.  Further, given their low numbers it is doubtful the Reapers would even bother to harvest them.  There just are not enough of them.  So perhaps they could have said to the Geth, the Reapers are coming can we accelerate peace talks instead of the Reapers are coming so let's wipe these Geth off the face of the eartn and basically let the Reapers known exactly where to find us, lol.

[G Kevin]

Phatose wrote...

Could those be faked though, by say, a certain terrorist organization with an AI?

The geth certainly could've done more.  As could the Quarians, and all organics.  They didn't.  But the one who declared negotiations were over were the ones who attacked.

The Geth did nothing for like 300 years. The Quarians needed their home back because of the Reaper threat. Why start to try and communicate with the Geth when all attempts to communicate them went bad? Seemed easier just to attack because they created a weapon that allowed them to possibly win the war with little to no casualties.

[remydat]

Iamjdr wrote...

And the ones who ceased the negotiations got attacked. That's usually how it works. If you don't wanna cooperate then what are they supposed to do? how many times should the quarians attempt peace before they are allowed attempt to reclaim there homeworld?

Umm can you please provide one document example of the Quarians attempting to negotiate peace with the Geth?  You have no proof that Tali was acting on behalf of the Quarian rather than talking to Legion in secret for fear she would be considered a traitor.

[Phatose]

Well, actually the negotiations only ceased when the Quarians attacked, ergo, they ceased the negotiations.

And they're supposed to wait as long as it takes. You attempt to exterminate an entire race, you don't get to set the timetable for forgiveness.

[G Kevin]

remydat wrote...

Fine if you believe they didn't have time.  I disagree.  The fight they are mobile makes it harder for the Reapers to find them.  Further, given their low numbers it is doubtful the Reapers would even bother to harvest them.  There just are not enough of them.  So perhaps they could have said to the Geth, the Reapers are coming can we accelerate peace talks instead of the Reapers are coming so let's wipe these Geth off the face of the eartn and basically let the Reapers known exactly where to find us, lol.

The Geth do not care about the Reapers. You can't negotiate with them to help them against the Reapers, especially when they refuse to answer you before.

The Quarian ships cannot last the harvesting of the Reapers. They do not have enough resources. The Migrant fleet would just be wiped out by the Reapers and some possibly used as husks. Keep in mind that Quarians need Galactic civilization to persist so that they can trade for resources.

[Phatose]

G Kevin wrote...

The Geth did nothing for like 300 years. The Quarians needed their home back because of the Reaper threat. Why start to try and communicate with the Geth when all attempts to communicate them went bad? Seemed easier just to attack because they created a weapon that allowed them to possibly win the war with little to no casualties.

I don't believe they actually needed Rannoch back.  Fundamentally, a base on an airless moon could've served the same purpose.  Any dextro world would work as well.

They'd still be stuck in their suits.  But I'm not at all convinced Rannoch was a neccessity.

[remydat]

Phatose wrote...

Well, actually the negotiations only ceased when the Quarians attacked, ergo, they ceased the negotiations.

And they're supposed to wait as long as it takes. You attempt to exterminate an entire race, you don't get to set the timetable for forgiveness.

Seriously.  Talk about arrogance. 

Racist Council - Prove to me you deserve to exist and maybe just maybe I will lift the ban that caused the Quarians to try an exterminate you.

Geth - (puzzled look) WTF are these organics smoking?  That must be some d**n good weed.

Racist Council - I really mean it.  Prove to me you should exist or I will ban your existence,

Geth - (more puzzled look) WTF, must have moved on to that red sand.  You already banned our existence.

Racist Council - You are trying my patience.  Just be a good little ****** umm synthetic and do what I say.

Geth - (running some calculations) - F**k it remember those Heretic douchebags that want to leave the Consensus?  Just let them.

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[G Kevin]

Phatose wrote...

I don't believe they actually needed Rannoch back.  Fundamentally, a base on an airless moon could've served the same purpose.  Any dextro world would work as well.

They'd still be stuck in their suits.  But I'm not at all convinced Rannoch was a neccessity.

They need a place where they could settle if the Reaper war was prolonged. Nobody knew how long that would take. Living in a suit is not exactly pleasant. If you have a suit puncture, you are possibly in deep trouble. It's better that it be on Rannoch, where the environment isn't as hostile towards Quarian immune system.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

G Kevin wrote...

remydat wrote...

Of course they can. If they don't find the dude who saved the Galaxy credible then just like the Council idiots who didn't want to believe the Reapers were real fu*k them.  Throw in a fellow Quarian lending credence to the Hero of the Citadel then yeah sorry.  Further, if a white dude robs me, should i assume every white dude wants to rob me?  That sounds like a Geth way of thinking and I thought we were suppose to be smarter than that ie judging an entire group based on the actions of different members of the group.

Person who saved the Galaxy from a Geth attack. Funny for someone to have saved the Galaxy from a Geth attack and then suddenly claim their are actually friends.

THOSE WERE HERETICS.

Have you even researched anything before bringing up a half witted argument? Lol! Did you even pay any attention to ME1 and ME2? 

[tevix]

Hey remy, you remember when deinon posted from that novel where it said that diplomatic ships were blown up when attempting to make peace? And how they refused to answer any peaceful communications?

That was during times of peace, when no one was under duress. The quarians have every reason to assume negotiation during war with the reapers will be pointless.

And the battle of the citadel isn't about proving yourself to a racist. It's about stopping someone you know is going to attempt GALACTIC GENOCIDE when you have the power to do so.

The geth did not. Nor did they stop the destruction of peaceful ships. Nor did they reject being used for galactic genocide. Nor did they reject murdering 100% of the quarians, knowing full well they will annihilate a vast bulk of unwilling combatants.

The geth were wronged in the beginning. Then the geth continued to wrong.

They tried to wipe out all quarians. If the quarians didn't leave, they'd all be dead.
The geth destroyed peace ships and rejected offers of peace talks.
The geth allowed the heretics (a minor number of geth compared to their total) to attempt galactic genocide.
The geth accepted being used for galactic genocide for their own gains.
The geth were willing to wipe out ALL quarian ships, instead of targeting only key ships (Gerrel and Xen's ships would be great starts).

Legion even went back on his word about using reaper tech.

No, no I'm done with the geth.

[Phatose]

G Kevin wrote...

Phatose wrote...

I don't believe they actually needed Rannoch back.  Fundamentally, a base on an airless moon could've served the same purpose.  Any dextro world would work as well.

They'd still be stuck in their suits.  But I'm not at all convinced Rannoch was a neccessity.

They need a place where they could settle if the Reaper war was prolonged. Nobody knew how long that would take. Living in a suit is not exactly pleasant. If you have a suit puncture, you are possibly in deep trouble. It's better that it be on Rannoch, where the environment isn't as hostile towards Quarian immune system.

That's "want", not "need".  There's a huge difference between starting a war because you actually need a planet, and starting a war because this particular planet would be more convenient.

[Ryzaki]

G Kevin wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Could those be faked though, by say, a certain terrorist organization with an AI?

The geth certainly could've done more.  As could the Quarians, and all organics.  They didn't.  But the one who declared negotiations were over were the ones who attacked.

The Geth did nothing for like 300 years. The Quarians needed their home back because of the Reaper threat. Why start to try and communicate with the Geth when all attempts to communicate them went bad? Seemed easier just to attack because they created a weapon that allowed them to possibly win the war with little to no casualties.

This will never stop making me lol.


The Quarians decided it was a good idea to get a homeplanet when everyone else's homeplanet was being seiged? Nevermind that they of all species have the most laughable ground troops? 

Lulz.

Homeworlds were losing millions by day. The Quarians have a 19 million people population give or take. Just

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 mars 2013 - 03:04 .

[remydat]

G Kevin wrote...

remydat wrote...

Fine if you believe they didn't have time.  I disagree.  The fight they are mobile makes it harder for the Reapers to find them.  Further, given their low numbers it is doubtful the Reapers would even bother to harvest them.  There just are not enough of them.  So perhaps they could have said to the Geth, the Reapers are coming can we accelerate peace talks instead of the Reapers are coming so let's wipe these Geth off the face of the eartn and basically let the Reapers known exactly where to find us, lol.

The Geth do not care about the Reapers. You can't negotiate with them to help them against the Reapers, especially when they refuse to answer you before.

The Quarian ships cannot last the harvesting of the Reapers. They do not have enough resources. The Migrant fleet would just be wiped out by the Reapers and some possibly used as husks. Keep in mind that Quarians need Galactic civilization to persist so that they can trade for resources.

Incorrect, Legion said some of the Geth did not like the Old Machines.  Furthermore the Quarians last 300 years adrift in space and once again, the Reapers likely don't care to Reap a tiny population.  They are Reaping populations of billions not millions.  All getting Rannoch does is provide a quick little snack for a Reaper.  Their nomadic lifestyle makes it harder for Reapers to find them.  What dumb reapers is going to waste time chasing around a flotilla of 17 million people when it can pull up any galaxy map and find the location of a planet with BILLIONS OF PEOPLE on it?

Modifié par remydat, 20 mars 2013 - 03:04 .

[G Kevin]

remydat wrote...

Seriously.  Talk about arrogance. 

Racist Council - Prove to me you deserve to exist and maybe just maybe I will lift the ban that caused the Quarians to try an exterminate you.

Geth - (puzzled look) WTF are these organics smoking?  That must be some d**n good weed.

Racist Council - I really mean it.  Prove to me you should exist or I will ban your existence,

Geth - (more puzzled look) WTF, must have moved on to that red sand.  You already banned our existence.

Racist Council - You are trying my patience.  Just be a good little ****** umm synthetic and do what I say.

Geth - (running some calculations) - F**k it remember those Heretic douchebags that want to leave the Consensus?  Just let them.

As far as we know, no communications ever took place between the Geth and anyone. If Geth actually tried, they could have sorted this out in the some 300 years they were isolated. Not putting effort into it does not excuse them as having a valid reason not too. That attitude is part of the reason the Geth are treated as hostiles.