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tevix wrote...
Uh...Remy? You DO know that books are written differant than video games/movies/tv shows...right?
In a book, you can write a "narrative" (facts written from the authors point of view, not said by anyone) that makes a fact clear. A narrative that says the geth aggressively rejected peace and killed people without cause is fact. It's not anyones side of the story if it's written by the "narrator".
The geth server's purpose is not to show that the quarians started the war, because they've already admitted that. It's to show the geth's side of the story to tell us stuff the quarians didn't, or maybe didn't even know about. Remember, present day quarians weren't around back then, records may be incomplete.
When considering the geth/vs the quarians, we have to consider how much fault can be placed on the currently living populace.
The geth likely have many programs that were around from the morning war. They can still be held accountable. The quarians however, if you play around with the dialogue and listen on tali's loyalty mission on ME2 are largley undecided about whether wiping the geth is the right thing to do.
So why do they do it, ultimately? Well one has to recall the rules of quarian decision making. The admirals choose by majority vote. Anyone who is the minority who votes differently has no choice but to go along with the vote.
Gerrel votes for war because he's a d-bag military blowhard with a god complex who just wants to blow the geth up just cause.
Xen votes for war because she wants to regain control of the geth, and test her experimentals.
Raan votes for war because she has no spine and is a no-drama wet noodle who goes along with the other two to avoid conflict.
That is now a majority vote, and the rest of the fleet must obey.
An AI such as the geth of all things would be able to make that distinction. Strategically elminating Gerrel and Xens ships to start with would likely have made the option for peace much more likely. Instead they slaughter every...single...quarian. Every child, every old man and woman, every unwilling civilian, every unwilling combatant.
Since that is the same as what the quarians tried to do them in the beginning, they are hypocrites, and do not get to ask for help.
Allying with the reapers makes them the heretics they so despise, so they are now my enemy.
And I damn well can expect the geth to control themselves. Here on earth we have courts, police, and military to hold each other accountable. We don't simply allow people to go and kill others just because. The geth have no system of justice or accountability. None. They say "You want to go kill all organics? Sure go ahead, you just can't sit at our table anymore, k?"
I don't know exactly why the council originally created the laws against AI. Likely, they did it to avoid situations like this altogether.
The quarians tried to eliminate the geth because they were afraid of them, and afraid of what the council might do if they found out. It was a stupid move because it basically resulted in the worst case scenario that they were trying to avoid.
Consider this: The quarian martial law allows for essentially no majority vote. What the admirals say goes.
The geth operate by consensus. That means the majority of all programs has to vote for a particular action. Any geth that opposed eliminating the quarians could have stepped up.
How many did?
And before you say no quarians did, let's recall the server, shall we? The one that specificlaly shows quarians stepping up against their people. We know it happens.
The issue with the quarians comes from a few easily eliminated leaders. The issue with the geth comes from their entire society.
Again, these points have already been addressed but I will do this again.
I understand an author can write a narrative from his point of view as the author. Once I found the passage in question I reposted it and pointed out that the entire account was entirely favorable to organics. If you read the passage and knew nothing of the backstory you would leave with the impression that the Quarians were attacked by evil machines. This is precisely because the most critical aspect of the war that cast the Geth in a positive light was left out ie that the Quarians attacked them first.
Now if you disagree with the above then find me a passage from the book that is favorable to the Geth. And please I don't need excuses as to why he didn't do that like well it is well known who attacked whom. I have already heard them and they are irrelevant to the claim. Your claim is that it is an author's point which means it doesn't matter if we know who attacked whom from other sources, if it is suppose to be objective, it needs to repeat BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY. So all I need to see is his viewpoint that indicates he has considered the Geth perspective and not just the Quarian perspective. It either is in there or it isn't. I asked people to provide it like 20 pages ago and then magically the discussion was abruptly ended because no one could produce it.
Xen is predjudiced. Don't sugar coat it. The Quarian military consists of Gherel whose description you note is accurate, a prejudiced Xen and a coward Ran. Those are the people the Quarians choose as their leaders and they are ultimately responsible for their choice of leaders not the Geth. Civilian ships are shooting at them too because the Quarians choose to make their civilians combatants. It is illogical for the Geth to try and pick off 3 Admirals ships admist a flotilla that is attacking ALL AT ONCE. Do you think in war it is that easy to just pick 3 ships out and shoot them down as if the Admiral just stands at the front of the THOUSANDS OF SHIPS and says look at me shoot me please. To even attempt such a thing would mean you will have to sacrifice ships. This is not a game (well it is but not to them), what you propose realistically comes at a great cost and there is no logical reason for the Geth to assume such cost.
Here on earth you don't send kids to prison for killing to protect themselves. The Geth at the time of the Morning War were kids whose parents tried to kill them and they not possessing the morality to the rules of war killed them. They legally are simply not accountable just like a kid is not accoutable. Again, I have already repeated this position hundreds of times, it is not changing. You will tell me that but machines learn faster than humans and I will tell you that is true logically not morally. Morality is learned and the Geth have not learned it at the time of the Morning War because the minute they were born the Quarians tried to slaughter them instead of teach them. In the midst of trying to stop the slaughter they did not have time to learn morality. When the Quarians were fleeing at the threat had passed, they stopped and had to decide, do we destroy them all while we can or do we stop. They stopped because they no had time to consider morality as the program if you will that was activated that said kill or be killed was now shutdown and they could ponder their actions. All of which means once again mean, they are not accountable for their actions during the morning war because they were just a kid who was attacked by organics and in a heightened state of terror and fear started killing them all.
And once again, the servers also show the Geth protecting the Quarians who tried to protect them. Their initial instinct at the start of the war was not concern for themselves but concern for the Creators like Megara who sought to protect them. At some point during the war when most like they saw no more Quarians showing concern for them, they switched to kill or be killed mode. So again, the Geth were peaceful. The Geth cared about their Creators then their Creators kept killing them and they had to kill to survive. The issue with the Geth is that their Creators whose lives they initialy valued above their own kept killing them. Every decision made from that point is the result of that.
Again, all these things have been discussed ad naseum. Continuing to repeat them to me doesn't change things.
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