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I think remydat is my hero at this point.
What we're dealing with here is essentially the trope of fantastic racism carried over to the mindset of the player. The simple fact is is that humans are designed by natural factory default conditions to latch onto things which are familiar in unfamiliar scenarios. The overturning of this is what we call a paradigm shift -- it alters perceptions and allows the human to realise that their instinctive response was just that, instinctive, and not an intellectual one. This has been used as a literary device in almost every form of media and damn near every genre that relies on fictional settings.
Star Trek has used this as well. In some plots we have had a monstrous race and a very human-looking race. The writer expects people to side with the more human-looking race because of the desire for familiarity. The instinctive response is that something that looks human would possess more qualities with the viewer than the other, more unusual looking species. Essentially: The less human something is in mindset and physical appearance, the less we are able to relate to it. Even something as mild as different skin colours originally resulted in this kind of thinking, until we culturally reprogrammed ourselves to realise that just because a person has a different skin tone, they're not actually different than someone who has the same skin tone. And even still -- we have a lot of racism in modern society, as not everyone has accepted this cultural reprogramming.
The intellectual effort here is to look at something objectively and without instinctive bias. This also involves a lot of emotional maturity as you have to be able to sympathise with both sides, you can't just allow instinct to order you to side with those whom are more familiar. But not everyone realises this, because not everyone understands the importance of reprogramming ourselves to not automatically believe that familiar is good, and unfamiliar is bad. As such, because the quarians seem more "human" to the player, and the geth seem "less human" to the player (because of their synthetic appearance and collective consciousness), the quarians must therefore also be "more good," as "more familiar" is equatable with "more good."
Therefore people side with the quarians on an instinctive level without questioning this intellectually and will ignore logic in favour of taking the instinctive option. So there's no objective analysis going on, and no one is actually stopping to think about the situation beyond that initial instinctive response. It's a very protective response, you protect things which are familiar against things which are less familiar. This is why we have a common over-protection of the quarians, even when that over-protection seems illogical when considered objectively.
If you look at literary tricks used by authors of many mediums -- you'll note that familiarity is also used to make a hero character more appealing. Spider-Man was made out to be overly nerdy and geeky because Marvel felt that this made him more relatable, more familiar. And to this day, Spider-Man continues to be in the top 5 of most popular Marvel heroes. The other kind of trick to use is to use cultural/societal power fantasies. Often exceedingly masculine and "kick-ass," so heroes like Batman and Deadpool are also very common.
So when a story presents a paradigm shift where, perhaps, you have one unfamiliar group which is equal in morality or even superior in morality, then first the player will try to relate to the group which is more familiar even if they aren't superior in morality (if they are either equal or lesser in morality). And the reaction to this is often railing against it, because it turns instinct on its head to attempt to appeal to intellectual and emotional intelligence. And some will appreciate that, and others will not. Just as some have managed to cast racism almost entirely out of their psyche, and others are still extremely racist.
So ultimately, it does come down to fantastic racism. And a lot of this argument is trying to get people to put instinct aside in order to think differently. That's what remydat is actually trying to do. I genuinely hope it works, because we need more people accepting paradigm shifts. Paradigm shifts are, after all, essentially what involves our culture and society as a whole.
Of course he is, because he uses
headcannon. Just like YOU.
The SAME is true of the geth. They have made mistakes that are no better then orgaincs. They stayed severely isolationsit to the point that it encouraged hatred of them and allowed negitive feelings to fester against them. The geth were JUST has hostile against what they didn't understand (the quarian's motivations), to the point that self-preservation transformed into slaughter. Wiping out someone in self-defense is forgivable. Wiping out countless civilians -men, woman, childerern, and forgien visitors - ISN'T. The GETH are the ones guilty if this "paradigm shift", NOT the quarians. THEY are the ones that spared no one but other geth. The quarians were thinking long-term about THEIR race too. The geth were escentally dead either way thanks to Council Laws. Why let the entire quarian race go down if they can do something about it? Doing nothing but sitting back and letting these two cultures go down when the chance to save at least ONE is avalible - THAT'S an amoral action.
And that's the COMPLETE OPPOSATE of the intention. The point is to show that we are all the same DESPITE those appearances. To show that ALL life is sympathetic REGARDLESS of the outward appearance. To show that there IS NO SUCH THING as an unrelatable lifeform, and that outward appearance HAS NO BEARING on it. For someone who claims to hate racisim, that was a very favortist and prejuidced remark.
And again, leave racisim OUT of this, since it has NO BEARING on the quarian/geth war. They are both fueled by desperation by the state of affairs that they wroght on each-other and themselves. And the galaxy's views of the geth are NOT racisim. Racisim is hating something because they are different. The galaxy hates the geth because they attacked the Citadel and nearly ended galactic life as we know it. And since the geth never tried to fix that opinion, alot of the blame is on THEIR shoulders.
And that's rich, since YOU look at everything with a bias against organic rights. When have you EVER sympathised with the hard choices the Admiralty Borad had to make to survive. You really think the choice to attack the geth was EASY? They were driven to it because there was NO OTHER CHOICE. If they don't have Rannoch as a stable power base for their people, they cannot aid the wider galaxy against the Reapers. They consume a month's worth of supplies in DAYS. Unless they became self-sufficant in an instant, they could nither help the wider galaxy against the Reapers, or be sure they would even have a future to move on to afterward like most of the other races would. When have you EVER considered that? The outward appearance has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with the debate - the underling morals and motivations DO. YOU are the one making racist remarks by bringing the appearance of the quarians and geth into this, SINCE NO ONE ELSE BUT YOU brought it up.
The reason people side with the quarians has NOTHING to do with outward appearace. It's because they were shafted by circumstance and by Council policy. They were driven by their homes and spent 300 years as nomads scavenging for scraps. Likewise, the geth are sided with because people sympathise with them in how they would have been wiped out just for asking if they were alive. Both made mistakes. Both have faults.
Outward appearace has NOTHING to do with the debate. You are the only one that brought it up, meaning YOU think it nessessary criteria, meaning YOUR views are the racist and prejudiced ones, NOT ours.
Personalaty is the defining factor, NOT the appearance. People sympathise with the Wrex and the Krogan's situation regarding the genopage, and THEY look nothing like humans. Nor do the salarians, who patently argue that the the krogan will never get past their ingrained social responces. Yet the Krogan DO get past them. That right there also invaladates your ENTIRE ARGUMENT - the krogan moved past their ingrained social responces, th esame ones you say are naturally impossible to get past. So the krogan can do it, but not the quarians and geth? Sure....<_<
Both groups are alien, and great pains are taken to keep them that way. WHY do you think they never unmasked the quarians? They go to great lengths to PREVENT that same "social attachment" from forming between the two sides andc prevent bias (at least till Mac Walters got ahold of the script).
So NO, this is NOTHING to do with outward appearacne. It WAS NEVER A FACTOR. It was the beliefs that we are argueing about. And why so many people naturally bash the quarians for their choices. No one takes the time to look at the desperation that festered for 300 years in the Migrant Fleet while they looked and failed to find a new home. No one sees the fact that 300 years of desperation added with the desperation caused by the Reaper invasion. They had their ONE chance to have a future again. And had no knowledge that the geth were not instinctiual Reaper Allies. That had NOTHING to do with appearance.
So, ultimately, racisim has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AT ALL. You act like you are knowledgible using words that you don't even BEGIN to understant, and concepts that you have NO comprehension of. remydat is just like you, in that he has NO intrest in seeing both sides of the arguement. He looks at evrything from the geth's perspective and not the quarians. You can't build an accurate description of the quarian's side of things from the GETH's POV. So NO, you are blatently and patently wrong because you COMPLETELY misplaced the idea of where the "paradigm shift" was. The GETH were the one's this applied to, NOT the quarians. So levae your headcannon out of this until you actually UNDERSTAND the concepts you try to use instead of PRETENDING to understand them.
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