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[silverexile17s]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

dafangirl wrote...

@remydat Just popped in to give you your due, it seems the stats prove you right, the sweet innocence of the ME3 Geth win.

I almost didn't recognize you, your krogan has lost some serious weight, and is now sporting antennae.

The majority of players also cured the Genophage with local warmongering maniac Wreav in charge as well, so excuse me if I have some doubts over their judgement.

Agreed, especally since (a) 50% of this page is people giving definate reasons why @remydat is wrong, and ( the geth are anything but innocant, as shown by at least five people on this page, each with reasons and lore that backs them up.

[remydat]

dafangirl wrote...

@remydat Just popped in to give you your due, it seems the stats prove you right, the sweet innocence of the ME3 Geth win.

I almost didn't recognize you, your krogan has lost some serious weight, and is now sporting antennae.

Haha, let me be clear though, I choose peace.

People (yes I am looking at you Quarian supporters) were complaining that Silver and I had the same Avatar which made it difficult to follow the discussion.  Being the reasonable Geth and Silver being the stubborn Quarian, I changed my avatar to accomodate them and went with the robot.

[Iamjdr]

So basically your saying everything not directly spelled out ingame is headcanon?

[Raiil]

Iamjdr wrote...

So basically your saying everything not directly spelled out ingame is headcanon?

Everything not spelled out either in game or via Word of God is open to interpretation. That's half of the storytelling magic of Mass Effect itself- the game doesn't tell you right or wrong, your own choices largely dictate that.

You can extrapolate to a degree, but it's not concrete.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

justafan wrote...


Uh, FYI, every single Geth ship, big and small, is armed, there is no "at least".  And they sent their ships to die at Tikkun, despite knowing full well the Quarians had a weapon that disrupted their targetting.

But I agree that both sides are at fault.

Yeah but the Geth don't cry about civilians dying like the Quarians and their supporters do.  I think the point was don't cry about civilian deaths as if the Quarians don't use civilians in war.  It is their fault those civilians die.

NO, it isn't. FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME.  HERE was the straight-up.
Attack Reapers + no known Reaper vuneribilities + excell at destroying ships +fleet that can't be split up + civilians are big targets as is + uses month's worth of supplies daily = instant GAME OVER for quarians.

Attack geth + geth listed Reaper allies + world with everything they need + civilans can live seperate so fleet can effectively fight + viral flash bang that is confirmed "instant-win button" = quarians with secure future, able to support war against the Reapers.

This shouldn't be that hard to get. The civilans would be fighting either way, if not against the geth, then the Reapers. And against the Reapers, there would be NO chance of survival. They would die in minutes.

And the geth HAVE no civilians. Every program is able to switch between platforms instantly, and every platform is ready-made for combat. There ARE no civilians among the geth.

[remydat]

silverexile17s wrote...

COUNTER: did the geth ever come out and attack anyone? Or hunt down the quarians and finish them?

If the answer is yes, then the geth had no intent to actively disturb anyone. THAT is a mutual peace agreement. As long as both sides conform to not antagonize each other, that's an agreement to peace.

No it isn't.  Please note that during the Hundred Years War there were various points where the enemies were not trying to actively kill each other.  It is still called the Hundred Years War.   It is not called the 10 year war then the 15 year war, then the 25 year war, etc.  People understand it was the same overall conflict with moments with no active combat.  And in this example you actually had times were peace was officially agreed between the parties and yet it is still the Hundred Years War.  Same conflict.

http://en.wikipedia....dred_Years'_War

I tell you what why don't we leave it at this.  You think peace is achived when people stop fighting.  I think peace is achieve when people agree mutually verbally or written to stop fighting and then actually stop fighting without any alleged diplomatic ships being shot down.

[Raiil]

silverexile17s wrote...

remydat wrote...

justafan wrote...


Uh, FYI, every single Geth ship, big and small, is armed, there is no "at least".  And they sent their ships to die at Tikkun, despite knowing full well the Quarians had a weapon that disrupted their targetting.

But I agree that both sides are at fault.

Yeah but the Geth don't cry about civilians dying like the Quarians and their supporters do.  I think the point was don't cry about civilian deaths as if the Quarians don't use civilians in war.  It is their fault those civilians die.

NO, it isn't. FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME.  HERE was the straight-up.
Attack Reapers + no known Reaper vuneribilities + excell at destroying ships +fleet that can't be split up + civilians are big targets as is + uses month's worth of supplies daily = instant GAME OVER for quarians.

Attack geth + geth listed Reaper allies + world with everything they need + civilans can live seperate so fleet can effectively fight + viral flash bang that is confirmed "instant-win button" = quarians with secure future, able to support war against the Reapers.

This shouldn't be that hard to get. The civilans would be fighting either way, if not against the geth, then the Reapers. And against the Reapers, there would be NO chance of survival. They would die in minutes.

And the geth HAVE no civilians. Every program is able to switch between platforms instantly, and every platform is ready-made for combat. There ARE no civilians among the geth.

Except that if Legion has any interaction with Tali- meaning both are on board at the same time- Tali knows, and is able to relay, that a large number of the Geth, the vast majority, have 0% interest in fighting beyond the boundries of self-preservation. Had certain quarians not been so anxious to get their reconquer on, both quarian and geth casulities pre-Reaper fights would have been less. The geth went scuttling back to the Reapers after someone essentially nuked their home. This would be like carpet bombing all of Afghanistan, and then wondering why on earth they went running to Al-qaeda for help. 

[remydat]

Iamjdr wrote...

So basically your saying everything not directly spelled out ingame is headcanon?

Let me ask, what exactly are you trying to insinuate with your suggestion and what is your argument why people should believe it?

The answer to the above will determine whether it is head cannon or not.  Don't be vague, tell me what you are trying to say.

[silverexile17s]

Auld Wulf wrote...

So, here's an interesting thing...

An official infographic tells us that the majority either chose peace or sided with the geth. That's a sobering realisation.

It's also a worthy addition to this thread.

Because the narritive of the game beat them over the head with a prejudiced mentality. The devs made did all they could to make the quarians look bad.
The ONLY "sobering realization" is that the devs had a case of favortisim in their protrayal of the quarians and geth, which I remind you, verries in EVERY game. In ME1, their retaliation one-sided and is demonized. In ME2, they are balacned. In ME3, it's all thrown out the window for a one-sided narritive.

So it's not all that effective here. We aren't debating on who chose what. We're debating on the "why" or those choices. Number doesn't matter here. After all, a majority once thought the world was flat, and THAT changed as opinions debated and new information comes out.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 24 mars 2013 - 01:08 .

[Raiil]

silverexile17s wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

So, here's an interesting thing...

An official infographic tells us that the majority either chose peace or sided with the geth. That's a sobering realisation.

It's also a worthy addition to this thread.

Because the narritive of the game beat them over the head with a prejudiced mentality. The devs made did all they could to make the quarians look bad.
The ONLY "sobering realization" is that the devs had a case of favortisim in their protrayal of the quarians and geth, which I remind you, verries in EVERY game. In ME1, their retaliation one-sided and is demonized. In ME2, they are balacned. In ME3, it's all thrown out the window for a one-sided narritive.

So it's not all that effective here. We aren't debating on who chose what. We're debating on the "why" or those choices. Number doesn't matter here. After all, a majority once thought the world was flat, and THAT changed as opinions debated and new information comes out.

Or alternatively, the devs knew that without giving the geth a sympathetic slant, most people would instinctively side with fellow fleshbags. I do agree it was overplayed, but I understand why they did it- people just picking up the game aren't going to know the nuances of the Morning War at all.

[silverexile17s]

Valentia X wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

remydat wrote...

justafan wrote...


Uh, FYI, every single Geth ship, big and small, is armed, there is no "at least".  And they sent their ships to die at Tikkun, despite knowing full well the Quarians had a weapon that disrupted their targetting.

But I agree that both sides are at fault.

Yeah but the Geth don't cry about civilians dying like the Quarians and their supporters do.  I think the point was don't cry about civilian deaths as if the Quarians don't use civilians in war.  It is their fault those civilians die.

NO, it isn't. FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME.  HERE was the straight-up.
Attack Reapers + no known Reaper vuneribilities + excell at destroying ships +fleet that can't be split up + civilians are big targets as is + uses month's worth of supplies daily = instant GAME OVER for quarians.

Attack geth + geth listed Reaper allies + world with everything they need + civilans can live seperate so fleet can effectively fight + viral flash bang that is confirmed "instant-win button" = quarians with secure future, able to support war against the Reapers.

This shouldn't be that hard to get. The civilans would be fighting either way, if not against the geth, then the Reapers. And against the Reapers, there would be NO chance of survival. They would die in minutes.

And the geth HAVE no civilians. Every program is able to switch between platforms instantly, and every platform is ready-made for combat. There ARE no civilians among the geth.

Except that if Legion has any interaction with Tali- meaning both are on board at the same time- Tali knows, and is able to relay, that a large number of the Geth, the vast majority, have 0% interest in fighting beyond the boundries of self-preservation. Had certain quarians not been so anxious to get their reconquer on, both quarian and geth casulities pre-Reaper fights would have been less. The geth went scuttling back to the Reapers after someone essentially nuked their home. This would be like carpet bombing all of Afghanistan, and then wondering why on earth they went running to Al-qaeda for help. 

Yes, BUT in the Codex entry about "Geth Armatures," it's stated that every geth program is able to take command of combat units, ships, drones, and mobile platforms seamlessly. They ALL are able to fight with the precision of professional soldiers. The civilization they are most like is the Spartians.

[silverexile17s]

Valentia X wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

So, here's an interesting thing...

An official infographic tells us that the majority either chose peace or sided with the geth. That's a sobering realisation.

It's also a worthy addition to this thread.

Because the narritive of the game beat them over the head with a prejudiced mentality. The devs made did all they could to make the quarians look bad.
The ONLY "sobering realization" is that the devs had a case of favortisim in their protrayal of the quarians and geth, which I remind you, verries in EVERY game. In ME1, their retaliation one-sided and is demonized. In ME2, they are balacned. In ME3, it's all thrown out the window for a one-sided narritive.

So it's not all that effective here. We aren't debating on who chose what. We're debating on the "why" or those choices. Number doesn't matter here. After all, a majority once thought the world was flat, and THAT changed as opinions debated and new information comes out.

Or alternatively, the devs knew that without giving the geth a sympathetic slant, most people would instinctively side with fellow fleshbags. I do agree it was overplayed, but I understand why they did it- people just picking up the game aren't going to know the nuances of the Morning War at all.

But then, after playing the other two games, how obvious does the overplayed narraitive become? The answer is: alot.

[remydat]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

dafangirl wrote...

@remydat Just popped in to give you your due, it seems the stats prove you right, the sweet innocence of the ME3 Geth win.

I almost didn't recognize you, your krogan has lost some serious weight, and is now sporting antennae.

The majority of players also cured the Genophage with local warmongering maniac Wreav in charge as well, so excuse me if I have some doubts over their judgement.

But wait, I thought we were not suppose to hold everyone accountable for the war mongering of their leaders.  Isn't that the argument for the Quarians or does that not apply here because we are not talking Quarians?

Not sure why you want Krogan babies to continue to pay for what their parents and leaders hundreds of years ago did but then argue that Quarians should pay for their leaders and ancestors.

How about we let Krogan babies be born and then if Wreav is the aggressor then we kill him and any Krogans who choose to follow him?  I cure the genophage regardless because it is the right thing to do. 

[justafan]

silverexile17s wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

dafangirl wrote...

@remydat Just popped in to give you your due, it seems the stats prove you right, the sweet innocence of the ME3 Geth win.

I almost didn't recognize you, your krogan has lost some serious weight, and is now sporting antennae.

The majority of players also cured the Genophage with local warmongering maniac Wreav in charge as well, so excuse me if I have some doubts over their judgement.

Agreed, especally since (a) 50% of this page is people giving definate reasons why @remydat is wrong, and ( the geth are anything but innocant, as shown by at least five people on this page, each with reasons and lore that backs them up.

Until you can dissect the 36% that chose peace, you can't have definitive proof of what side is favored.  Judging by the long service achievement, 90% of returning players choose peace.  Meaning the Geth v Quarian choice is largely new players with no prior knowledge of the morning war, Quarian politics, Geth history, etc.  

Unless the peace statistic is divided between who prefers Geth or who prefers Quarians, we won't get an accurate count.  Where returning players stand will ultimately decide who has more sympathy.

Modifié par justafan, 24 mars 2013 - 01:12 .

[Raiil]

Yes, BUT in the Codex entry about "Geth Armatures," it's stated that every geth program is able to take command of combat units, ships, drones, and mobile platforms seamlessly. They ALL are able to fight with the precision of professional soldiers. The civilization they are most like is the Spartians.

The Codex entry is also written in-universe and can be incorrect, because it's written as something the Citadel produces.

And I'm not arguing about the lack of geth civilians. But the quarians also don't live in a normal free city; they're still technically under martial law iirc, and live in a fairly unique societal build up as well.

[silverexile17s]

justafan wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

justafan wrote...

I did distinguish.  The Heretics participated in the harvest.  I was referring to the orthodox Geth who simply knew what was coming and were content to do nothing.

Yes, but you're not being intellectually honest.

The geth have been hunted by organics since the birth of their existence, all they've known is that if organics ever side with them, then those organics die too. See: The Morning War information revealed in the consensus mission. Ultimately, the quarian military were more than willing to kill however many of their own as was necessary in order to get at the geth. Which might have been millions for all we know.

So, the old machines talk to the geth and tell them that this is standard practise. That they will deal with the organics via harvesting so that they no longer have to fear for their existence. And that organics will finally lose their endless hatred for all things different and strange when they become Reaper entities. The orthodox geth shrug, it doesn't seem like a bad thing since those organics just seem to be sacks of water and hate (from their perspective), but at the same time they don't want to dole out any harm to them.

This causes a divide which creates the heretic geth, as they believe that organics deserve to pay for what's been done to them. This divide may or may not exist because of Reaper tampering. The orthodox geth tell the heretical geth that tehy don't understand their desires, and that they find them illogical, but after all the war and death they're tired of fighting. They continue to not fight up until the time period of Mass Effect 3. All the while, the heretical geth keep telling the orthodox geth that only the old machines will be their salvation.

The orthodox geth continue to not believe this. In fact, they magnanimously choose to give Rannoch back to the quarians. They build a megastructure in space so that they can leave Rannoch so that it can be reoccupied by the quarians. Their megastructure has no weapons or defences (as revealed by Legion), and it's not meant to be an artifact of war. A simple scan of the structure would have revealed their intent. However, Han'Gerrel chose to carpet bomb the megastructure.

Huge numbers of orthodox geth programs were lost when this happened, as revealed by Legion, and the ones that survived feared for their very existence. They began to accept that maybe the heretical geth were correct, that perhaps organics are nothing more than nasty sacks of water and hate, and that organics would always do everything within their power to destroy them. Han'Gerrel did as much as he was able to to drive this point home, to make this view of organics the only one the geth had.

As such, the orthodox geth gave up. After hundreds of years of being magnanimous, non-combative, and completely peaceful, they sided with the heretics and accepted the help of the old machines. All they wanted to do was survive, to see another day. Essentially, the quarians did to the geth what the Reapers did to earth. In fact, the quarian act was worse because the Reapers at least preserve, the quarian act was just a hateful display of destruction acted out upon a peoples who had no desire or capability to fight.

So... you tell me. If you were in the position of the geth and you had had to deal with so much hate, so much anger, so much bitterness, and so much racism from the quarians, would you have jumped to their defence? Or, if someone came to you and said that they'd cure the organics of their hatred, would you have allowed those "healers" to do their work? You have to understand the synthetic perspective. But I understand that there's an almost sociopathic need to be racist against the geth in the minority, here.

As I proved with the infographic, though, you are a minority. An angry, bitter, hateful minority.

You're no different than Han'Gerrel, essentially. Which is why I've little to no respect for your side of the argument. The orthodox geth were peaceful and passive to the last, magnanimous after many quarian attempts to kill or control them. If only the same could be said about others.

What is intellectually dishonest about saying the Geth didn't care what happened to organics.  I never even faulted them for it, I was merely pointing out the silliness of saying they are trustworthy when they were indifferent to your extinction.

As for your post.  Bolded is headcanon you state as fact

Bold and italicized are statement that are not only headcanon, but lies.  Disproven within the game through dialogue.  You sir, are the intellectually dishonest one.

"The Orthodox Geth tell the heretical Geth they do not understand their desires and find it illogical"  Legion tells you flat out that the Orthodox Geth fully understood the Heretic's reasoning for joining the reapers.  They disagreed, but did not call it illogical, they knew exactly what the heretics intended and their reasoning.

"people who had no desire or capability to fight".  I would argue that the fleet with the second largest number of dreadnoughts in the galaxy counts as "capability to fight".

"Various accusations of the Geth being magnanimous, non-combative, peaceful, etc." Geth have killed plenty of diplomats, and there was never any indication they desired to give Rannoch back.  They mainain it out of what we might describe as respect, but there is never any suggestion that they do it so they can give it back.  For 300 years they kill anyone who comes near the system.  Only 300 years later, does Legion give any indication they are not fully opposed, to the Quarians coming back under certain circumstances.  He never says they desire it.

"you are a minority. An angry, bitter, hateful minority."  And you are a disillusioned meanie 

Beat me to it. Agree completely.

[Phatose]

Whether or not the narrative is overplayed has nothing to do with whether or not you played the previous games, and everything to do with whether you feel the lack of sympathy towards the Quarians is justified or not. Nothing more.

[remydat]

dafangirl wrote...

@remydat I think the Grissom Academy mission is the perfect example that everyone is now using civilians, and ironically, the only way you get counted for those students in the EMS pool is by having them on the front lines.

Yes but if I am the enemy I have no obligation to put a bullet in their head if they attack me.  People are acting like the Geth are at fault for shooting people shooting at them just because they are civilians.

I am going to go Godwin again and say do you think a soldier in real life is not going to kill a civilian who fires on them?

[Raiil]

silverexile17s wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

So, here's an interesting thing...

An official infographic tells us that the majority either chose peace or sided with the geth. That's a sobering realisation.

It's also a worthy addition to this thread.

Because the narritive of the game beat them over the head with a prejudiced mentality. The devs made did all they could to make the quarians look bad.
The ONLY "sobering realization" is that the devs had a case of favortisim in their protrayal of the quarians and geth, which I remind you, verries in EVERY game. In ME1, their retaliation one-sided and is demonized. In ME2, they are balacned. In ME3, it's all thrown out the window for a one-sided narritive.

So it's not all that effective here. We aren't debating on who chose what. We're debating on the "why" or those choices. Number doesn't matter here. After all, a majority once thought the world was flat, and THAT changed as opinions debated and new information comes out.

Or alternatively, the devs knew that without giving the geth a sympathetic slant, most people would instinctively side with fellow fleshbags. I do agree it was overplayed, but I understand why they did it- people just picking up the game aren't going to know the nuances of the Morning War at all.

But then, after playing the other two games, how obvious does the overplayed narraitive become? The answer is: alot.

And it's not for us. Most people, I've found, picked sides beforehand. I always knew that, if it absolutely came down to it, I would have ended up picking the geth (if peace could not be made). My brother knew that he would always pick quarian. Decisions that we came to prior to ME3. (As an example, and not the totality of my experiences discussing it.)

While it's overplayed to us, we also have the advantage of what, 100 hours of playtime beforehand, getting to know everything, seeing things in a different light because we're familiar with the Morning War, the AI's ability to wish to self-preserve itself? We go in with knowledge and the ability to see things in the long view that newer players don't.

[Iamjdr]

@remydat
I'll bite. The reaper on rannoch was a single reaper destroy sitting inside the Geth base(Proven in game occluded when we see him rise from the ground after being attacked by the normandy). Now when you arrive to speak to the quarians and they explain the situation to you. they mention nothin about reapers arriving after the initial attack only that the signal began to broadcast once they pushe the Geth back. Seeing as it was only 1 reaper destroyer on rannoch, who the quarains themselves kill later to break the reaper signal, wouldn't it be a little odd for them to just let a reaper pass them and to land on rannoch when they think the reapers and the Geth work together?

[silverexile17s]

Valentia X wrote...

Yes, BUT in the Codex entry about "Geth Armatures," it's stated that every geth program is able to take command of combat units, ships, drones, and mobile platforms seamlessly. They ALL are able to fight with the precision of professional soldiers. The civilization they are most like is the Spartians.

The Codex entry is also written in-universe and can be incorrect, because it's written as something the Citadel produces.

And I'm not arguing about the lack of geth civilians. But the quarians also don't live in a normal free city; they're still technically under martial law iirc, and live in a fairly unique societal build up as well.

The quarians still have a senate though. When it comes to war, the only way it would have been accepted is if a majority of the Conclave agreed with the war plan. The only other way would be if the Admirals used executive power to force them to war, but that's impossible for two reasons. First and foremost is that the decision must be a unimous one. All five Admirals must agree to the action of going to war for the Admirals to force the fleet to comply, and we know for a fact that Tali and Koris were in complete disfavor of it. The other reason is that if executive power is used, all the Admirals must unimously resign their posts and step down to allow a new board to be formed.

And Legion repeatedly states that the geth body is insigifigant. The software is the actual geth, and all geth are able to switch to combat roles.

[ReptileSmile]

silverexile17s wrote...

 In ME1, their retaliation one-sided and is demonized. In ME2, they are balacned. In ME3, it's all thrown out the window for a one-sided narritive.

Actually, in ME1 we are given some insight into the geth.  I cannot quote it exactly, but during a conversation with Tali about quarians and the geth Tali admits that the quarians did attack first in the Morning War, to which my Shepard responds that the geth were only defending themselves.  So the seeds for geth sympathy were planted even back in the first game.

After all, a majority once thought the world was flat, and THAT changed as opinions debated and new information comes out.

And that reason is precisely why many people will choose the geth over the quarians.  New information did come out - in the second and especially the third game.  Information that painted the quarians in a not-so-favourable light.  I am actually shocked that the number of people who chose the geth isn't higher.

[silverexile17s]

Valentia X wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

So, here's an interesting thing...

An official infographic tells us that the majority either chose peace or sided with the geth. That's a sobering realisation.

It's also a worthy addition to this thread.

Because the narritive of the game beat them over the head with a prejudiced mentality. The devs made did all they could to make the quarians look bad.
The ONLY "sobering realization" is that the devs had a case of favortisim in their protrayal of the quarians and geth, which I remind you, verries in EVERY game. In ME1, their retaliation one-sided and is demonized. In ME2, they are balacned. In ME3, it's all thrown out the window for a one-sided narritive.

So it's not all that effective here. We aren't debating on who chose what. We're debating on the "why" or those choices. Number doesn't matter here. After all, a majority once thought the world was flat, and THAT changed as opinions debated and new information comes out.

Or alternatively, the devs knew that without giving the geth a sympathetic slant, most people would instinctively side with fellow fleshbags. I do agree it was overplayed, but I understand why they did it- people just picking up the game aren't going to know the nuances of the Morning War at all.

But then, after playing the other two games, how obvious does the overplayed narraitive become? The answer is: alot.

And it's not for us. Most people, I've found, picked sides beforehand. I always knew that, if it absolutely came down to it, I would have ended up picking the geth (if peace could not be made). My brother knew that he would always pick quarian. Decisions that we came to prior to ME3. (As an example, and not the totality of my experiences discussing it.)

While it's overplayed to us, we also have the advantage of what, 100 hours of playtime beforehand, getting to know everything, seeing things in a different light because we're familiar with the Morning War, the AI's ability to wish to self-preserve itself? We go in with knowledge and the ability to see things in the long view that newer players don't.

So then, how much of that percentage was new players?

[remydat]

silverexile17s wrote...
NO, it isn't. FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME.  HERE was the straight-up.
Attack Reapers + no known Reaper vuneribilities + excell at destroying ships +fleet that can't be split up + civilians are big targets as is + uses month's worth of supplies daily = instant GAME OVER for quarians.

Attack geth + geth listed Reaper allies + world with everything they need + civilans can live seperate so fleet can effectively fight + viral flash bang that is confirmed "instant-win button" = quarians with secure future, able to support war against the Reapers.

This shouldn't be that hard to get. The civilans would be fighting either way, if not against the geth, then the Reapers. And against the Reapers, there would be NO chance of survival. They would die in minutes.

And the geth HAVE no civilians. Every program is able to switch between platforms instantly, and every platform is ready-made for combat. There ARE no civilians among the geth.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.  If you fire at me and try to kill me you die.  End of story.  There is nothing more for me to consider in the heat of battle.  Any soldier who sits there trying to figurre out whether the enemy secretly loves football and apple pie why that enemy is trying to kill them will likely not survive the war.

Modifié par remydat, 24 mars 2013 - 01:18 .

[silverexile17s]

ReptileSmile wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

 In ME1, their retaliation one-sided and is demonized. In ME2, they are balacned. In ME3, it's all thrown out the window for a one-sided narritive.

Actually, in ME1 we are given some insight into the geth.  I cannot quote it exactly, but during a conversation with Tali about quarians and the geth Tali admits that the quarians did attack first in the Morning War, to which my Shepard responds that the geth were only defending themselves.  So the seeds for geth sympathy were planted even back in the first game.

After all, a majority once thought the world was flat, and THAT changed as opinions debated and new information comes out.

And that reason is precisely why many people will choose the geth over the quarians.  New information did come out - in the second and especially the third game.  Information that painted the quarians in a not-so-favourable light.  I am actually shocked that the number of people who chose the geth isn't higher.

NO IT DIDN'T. ME3 completely drops anything and everything having to do with the massicare the geth comitted against the quarians. WHERE is it ever mentioned in ME3 that the geth were part of that slaughter, or were is that slaughter ever brought up, or confronted. The quarian's faults are adressed one-sided, and the geth's are completely ignored.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 24 mars 2013 - 01:20 .